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[Fatalmasterpiece]

Sorry guys I didn't read the entire thread and I'm pretty new to SSDs, whats the advantage of getting a PCI-e SSD over a SATA?

[Vecna6667]

Sorry guys I didn't read the entire thread and I'm pretty new to SSDs, whats the advantage of getting a PCI-e SSD over a SATA?

PCI-e SSDs are much faster, but most do not have TRIM support so you will need a disk scrubber program. SATA SSDs are slower but they don't take up a PCI-e slot that can be used for a dedicated sound, an extra graphics card, video capture cards, RAID controller chips and who knows what else. Most if not all SATA SSDs have TRIM support when not in a RAID array, which means performance should not diminish from deleting too much data from them.

[Fatalmasterpiece]

Sorry guys I didn't read the entire thread and I'm pretty new to SSDs, whats the advantage of getting a PCI-e SSD over a SATA?

PCI-e SSDs are much faster, but most do not have TRIM support so you will need a disk scrubber program. SATA SSDs are slower but they don't take up a PCI-e slot that can be used for a dedicated sound, an extra graphics card, video capture cards, RAID controller chips and who knows what else. Most if not all SATA SSDs have TRIM support when not in a RAID array, which means performance should not diminish from deleting too much data from them.

Interesting thank you. I am not very familiar with the details behind hardware technologies beyond basic implementation. I don't mind using PCI-e slots, as I won't even really need a graphics card, but from what you say, without TRIM support, PCI-E SSDs are not good for much beyond being used as boot drives?

[Vecna6667]

Sorry guys I didn't read the entire thread and I'm pretty new to SSDs, whats the advantage of getting a PCI-e SSD over a SATA?

PCI-e SSDs are much faster, but most do not have TRIM support so you will need a disk scrubber program. SATA SSDs are slower but they don't take up a PCI-e slot that can be used for a dedicated sound, an extra graphics card, video capture cards, RAID controller chips and who knows what else. Most if not all SATA SSDs have TRIM support when not in a RAID array, which means performance should not diminish from deleting too much data from them.

Interesting thank you. I am not very familiar with the details behind hardware technologies beyond basic implementation. I don't mind using PCI-e slots, as I won't even really need a graphics card, but from what you say, without TRIM support, PCI-E SSDs are not good for much beyond being used as boot drives?

TRIM support is that if you delete a file, the OS(Win7 is the only one(edit: That I know of) that supports this feature) and the drive will not only go to memory cells and change theirt attributes to be writable, but it will be completely cleaned up as if the cells were never even used. Without TRIM, the disk will not write over the cell until there is no more unoccupied cells, which is were disk scrubbing software comes in. I don't know why RAID tends to disable TRIM unless it more difficult automatically scrub the cells over 2 or more drives at the same time. PCI-e drives being faster can keep games with almost no load times, but without a disk scrubber or TRIM, it will slow down eventually and by a lot.

Edited by Vecna6667, 26 March 2011 - 07:27 PM.

[DJZephyr]

Oh, to have money again.

Tho tbh, I'm pretty sure my current rig wouldn't be able to use the full potential of those monsters; hell, my ol' dual-core is already bottlenecking my almost-as-old graphics card. Having only a (once-massive, now-)measly 2gb of RAM doesn't help, I suppose.

But if I were to build a dream rig, I'd drop Oblivion and FO3 on one of those bad boys in a heartbeat and grab all those pretty hi-rez texture packs that would have my current machine hocking up hairballs. I wouldn't even need RAM, I'd be able to stream most of Cyrodil straight from the drive. Still, I'll wait til I can freely shove a few grand in NewEgg's direction before I consider any truly l33t upgrades like that.

[powerbrite]

i have a raptor 300gb and just installed sdd ive not seen much of an improvement in oblvion i also have 6gb sata cable attached.

[DGVictus]

i have a raptor 300gb and just installed sdd ive not seen much of an improvement in oblvion i also have 6gb sata cable attached.

Main difference you would see is load times. Which is next to zero already in Oblivion.

[Bloodinfested]

I would look into ssd if I build another comp witch won’t be for a long time. I like the performance gain but what really sells me on them they are silent I got a pair of raptors and they are incredibly loud for a drive. I Ended up putting some sound damping on the sides as well as the inner hinged front door of my rig they were that annoying for me

[xab666]

What do you think of the new solid state hard drives out now, they say in games can give a full 0.2ghz to your gaming rig, i am going to purchase one myself.

check it out, it has only a 120gb capacity but that's all i need for all my games that would take full advantage of that drive, like Crysis and Fall out 3, and so fourth.

http://www.newegg.ca...N82E16820233075

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96dWOEa4Djs&feature=player_embedded

found here

http://www.pcmech.co...sd-drives-raid/

I made the 'mistake' of buying 2 30GB ssd's a few years ago (like 2) for around $220
I put them in RAID0 and ran games - they worked very well, for around a year.
after that they started to slow down

I seriouslty doubt that increasing hard-drive bandwidth is going to increase clock rate at all. if anything it might reduce the HDD bottleneck.
frankly, without TRIM support (basically file managment, which many SSD are bad at).

SSD have linear ware, basically, the more you use them the more they over-write there data. overwriting a SSD can only be done a finite number of timers, and TRIM support (such as with SSD's with a SandForce Controller) is designed to manage this and prolong the life of the drive.
TRIM DOES NOT SUPPORT RAID (http://en.wikipedia....IM_(SSD_command))

so basically, even if you have a TRIM ssd, and your put 2 in RAID, you can count the days until your proformence is GONE
then your better off with a 7200rpm+ Hard-drive, which costs 1/4 as much.


to increase clock rate you generally need to :
1. Overclock (changing multiplier or clock rate - and sometime mod voltage to compensate)
2. Alter RAM timings (as ram caches all the data your processor recieves, it can bottleneck your processor - tightening timings can help)
3. Tweak Bus Settings (also QuickPath Interconnect on Core iX series)

no matter how you modify your videocard, hard-drive, mouse, keyboard, monitor or cat... it WILL NOT INCREASE THE CPU SPEED.
by that same nature, my Core i7 that I overclocked to 3.8Ghz (had my SSD's) would run at 2.6Ghz after removing the SSD's and installing 8 1tb HDDs
it doesnt work that way

[Xenno]

IMHO SSDs are gr8 but they offer small capacity and cost too much, id love to have one just for OS so i can have few seconds boot times , maybe if i find job i buy one who knows.
I know there was issue with how long does SSD last becouse its uses NAND flash memory, and i think that every flash has limited number of writes and reads, i dont have experiences with them but it does bothers me point i could loose my all data, cut your data is priceless for you, all pics music .... dear God i would kill someone i loose my music