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[eviljim]

careful... we don't want to end up with people thinking it's a religious debate

Ontopic:

technically, according to the 36 lessons of vivec, the original Nerevar was actually named Nerevar, not nerevarine. They don't actually call you Nerevar at any point in the game, just Nerevarine. That leads one (mainly me ^_^ ) to believe that it may be that the character isn't the reincarnated Nerevar; the player is just taking his position/duties and is thus named after the original....Nerevarine. It's similar to Freudian and other names that have become the base of a description or position.

[Abramul]

Don't Ash Ghouls, as well as sleepers (I like taunting people who tell me that they are members of the Sixth house) call you Lord Nerevar?

And also...wouldn't this be a religious debate? After all, the Temple would brand us all as heretics :bleh:

[Crim, The Red Thunder]

i thought they used the term 'nerevar reborn'... but its been a while since ive seen one... Works either way though...

you shouldnt kill them though... after beating the final boss, coming back can 'free them from the spell' which gets you those last couple of reputation points. or so ive heard...

[NinjaSalad]

When you compair morrowind to real live, the aboriginal, native, or indinious people of canada and the u.s. (myself being one) are like the dunmer in morowind... now that i think about in all of north america would be the island of vvardenfell and the imperal city would be somewhere in urope

[Tor_Anders]

However, a point this brings to mind, Nerevar was just a person. What if the incarnate is not really the original, but just a chosen substitute of Azura? I dont personally belive this, but it brings some interesting possibilities to mind!

Maybe you're not too off on this one, Crim... Never do they refer to you getting the soul of Nerevar, only his spirit. And, for us non-religious, spirit is f.ex. if a person injured in a car-crash, doomed to life in a wheelchair, still smiles and tries his best to get back to a normal life, despite the situation... Maybe it's a spirit in a form something like that we are receiving from Nerevar, hence being the Nerevarine? I don't know...

And to explain why people would then refer to me as 'Lord Nerevar': As you must agree this is a confusing subject, so maybe the people of Vvardenfell are simply confused themselves, not knowing what is the truth.

[Crim, The Red Thunder]

hmmm... maybe it's a term of respect? Sorta like the japanese suffix -sama. (meaning lord, but has been used OOC to be a term of great respect, but does not indicate royalty...)

They could just be showing respect for you... the term "Lord Nerevar" could just be a sign of respect.

[Dinin]

I always thought the definition of Nerevarine was the reincarnation of Nerevar. Meaning people would call you "the nerevarine" as if it was a title. I don't think it's a second name, just a title to call the reincarnations.

[Tor_Anders]

Yeah, but what has been incarnated then? Obviously we're not the complete Nerevar Indoril, born again, there has to be new parts to our being.... Otherwise we would have no choices... I don't think Lord Nerevar himself was a kleptomaniac, yet one of my characters stole everything that wasn't nailed down. I still believe we could receive a spirit along the lines of what I suggested in my previous post, and not a full reincarnation.

[Abramul]

Hokay...You have Azura speaking to you in a dream, pretty much telling you that you are the One. Once you're processed, in a matter of days, you learn INCREDIBLY fast. Isn't learning part of Azura's sphere? Perhaps the "Spirit of Nerevar" takes the form of a blessing from Azura.

P.S. All Hail the Nord Nerevar! :-P

[Klaiven]

Hey guys. As there AREN'T any Chimer left in Tamriel (at least according to all those prior Elder Scrolls games, if memory serves), the point is moot unless the Nerevarine is some sort of throwback mutant.

Chimer probably looked like Altmer; just look at Vivec and Almalexia for proof of that. If the Nerevarine IS a throwback, perhaps his/her being "of uncertain parantage" is a reference to golden skin?

The closest other alternative to a renewal of the Chimer line (a cool idea) is therefore to simply play an Altmer; THAT probably wouldn't go over well with the Dunmer, tho.

Actually was working on a Chimer mod fer m'self. Some suggestions for all who pursue this course:

Nerevar was a city boy, but originally weilded an axe (a rather "barbarian" weapon usually) almost exclusively; I presume this was a cultural bias towards the Axe skill (and likely a sign of high-ish strength scores).

Chimer should be less physically fragile than Altmer, as they were far more warlike than the High Elves. The Chimer kicked a *lot* of butt. Also, nobles are usually warriors, and I seem to recall that one of Vivec's sermons mentined that Chi meant noble or royal, so Chimer likley means Noble or Royal Elves. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on this.

Chimer were Daedra-lovers, and probably had starting bonuses in relation to conjuration scores (similar to Melibonean binding-oaths towards Chaos, beast, and elemental lords), and/or to simply conjuring specific Daedric critters, such as scamps.

Chimer do not seem to have been portrayed as being big-time enchanters, that seems to have been a more Dwemer thing.

In other ways, they should have SOME things in common with Dunmer.


OFF TOPIC (sort of):
In reference to all the Drow appearance comments in this post, here's how *Drow* (and only Drow, not Dunmer) are SUPPOSED to look (according to their *creator* Gary Gygax's original vision). . .

JET BLACK skin (not Smurf-blue or corpse-grey as so many artists think). Facial features are sharp. Ears are large. Eyes are large, and are ALL IRIS AND PUPIL(no whites).

Females are slender and shapely, around 5 1/2 ft tall, have "glossy black" skin and "shining silvery hair" with amber or (rarely) "lambent violet" eyes.

Males are thin, around 5 ft in height, have "dead black" skin, "dead white" hair and orange to orange-yellow eyes.

Females are stronger, faster, and just plain better than males.

OFF-OFF-TOPIC:
As to all those artists showing Drizzt as having paired scimitars: THEY AREN'T PAIRED! They are completely unrelated weapons (that have diferent magical abilites) which he picked up along the way, and you can't modify magic items in D&D or they get destroyed, so they will always look different from each other..

Hasta, all!