zoe23323 Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Reuploading this because I need to add a lot of info, and it seems my topic isn't getting much notice. Alright, I know you've all heard this before. Some poor gamer whining about how their game crashes without any prompts, just quits to desktop, and they're too lazy to search the internet to find fixes for their common problem. Here's the thing. I'm not one of those lazy gamers. I've searched for hours, did every fix I came across, and still my game crashes. Doesn't even leave a note. Cheap bastard.Before you ask, yes,, I've run BOSS, TES5Edit, FNIS, deleted all of my saved games and started a new one, and verified the game cache from the Steam properties. I've uninstalled all of my mods and run it cleanly, but it still crashed when I tried to enter Alvor and Sigrid's house. It usually crashes about every two-to-five minutes, or, if I start a new game, on my way to Riverwood. No exceptions. Every time I start a new game, it will crash on my way to Riverwood. It's always after the Standing Stones, but before I can see the gate to the village. From then on, it will crash about every two-to-five minutes I'd really rather not uninstall Skyrim and reinstall all of my mods, but if that's the only way anyone says I can fix this, I will. I haven't messed with the ini file at all, in case you're wonderingAlso, to answer the question that must have been bugging you for the past three minutes of reading this, I do mod. A lot. I have about 100 mods installed at the moment, and most of them are cosmetic. I'm a vain b*tch, okay? I need this sort of stuff. If needs arise, I will post my load order, but both BOSS and TES5Edit haven't found any problems in my load order. I've followed all of Gopher's tutorials, so I'm almost positive I've installed everything correctly. That man is a life saver.I know someone is going to ask for specs, so this is what I have:6GB of RAM installedWindows Vista (ewww)32BitGraphics card is an ATI Radon HD 5670And, as for the BOSS Log, this is what it gives me: These plugins are recognised by BOSS and have been sorted according to its masterlist. Please read any attached messages and act on any that require action.Skyrim.esm ActiveUpdate.esm ActiveBash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}Contains dirty edits: 92 ITM, 3 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.Dawnguard.esm ActiveContains dirty edits: 619 ITM, 82 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}HearthFires.esm ActiveContains dirty edits: 184 ITM, 11 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.Dragonborn.esm ActiveContains dirty edits: 61 ITM, 8 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.ApachiiHair.esm ActiveAzarHair.esm ActiveRaceCompatibility.esm ActiveClimatesOfTamriel.esm ActiveLanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm ActiveOBlHairFinal.esm ActiveOmegared99-Compilation.esm ActiveSolstheim Climate Overhaul.esm ActiveXvision Children.esm ActiveHighResTexturePack01.esp ActiveHighResTexturePack02.esp ActiveHighResTexturePack03.esp ActiveXvision Children - Complete.esp ActiveUSKP Patcher for RaceCompatibility.esp ActiveSerana.esp ActiveSven.esp ActiveChesko_Frostfall.esp ActiveBetter Dynamic Snow.esp ActiveSplashofRain.esp ActiveClimatesOfTamriel-Sound.esp ActiveIHSS.esp ActiveImproved Combat Sounds v2.2.esp Activerandomthunder.esp ActiveSkyrimURWL.esp ActiveStaticMeshImprovementMod.esp ActiveStaticMeshImprovementMod-DragonbornTernFix.esp ActiveStaticMeshImprovementMod-FurnitureChestSnowFix.esp Active83Willows_101BUGS_V4_HighRes.esp ActiveBash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}Babettes Feast v1_2.esp ActiveBabettesFeastBalanced.esp ActiveWarning: Original file was released before the Creation Kit (07 Feb. 2012) a compatibility patch fixed and cleaned with TES5Edit can be obtained here. (Compatibility Patch)Birdsofskyrim.esp ActiveCatsofskyrim.esp ActiveCookingExpanded.esp ActiveCookingExpanded - Hearthfire.esp ActiveCookingExpanded - Dragonborn.esp ActiveDogsofskyrim.esp ActiveExpandedJewelryCrafting.esp ActiveLanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Climates of Tamriel - default.esp ActiveNote: Use only one Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One esp.marriagedynamicoutfits.esp ActiveMore_Saddles.esp ActiveSkyrim Flora Overhaul.esp ActiveUlfricForFem.esp ActiveUnique BOOZE Bottles.esp ActiveFootprints.esp ActiveRaceMenu.esp ActiveRaceMenuPlugin.esp ActiveNote: RaceMenuPlugin is optional and provides support to alter Height, Breast, Glute and Biceps. If you experience issues with it, disable RaceMenuPlugin.esp and inform the author.vAutosaveManager.esp ActiveWetandCold.esp ActiveWetandCold - Ashes.esp ActiveSkyUI.esp ActiveiHUD.esp ActiveBlackSacramentArmor.espBlindfolds_of_Skyrim.esp ActiveCloaks.esp ActiveCloaks - Dawnguard.esp Active1nivWICCloaks.esp ActiveBash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Relev}}1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp ActiveDK_Armor_By_Hothtrooper44.esp ActiveGDAttire.esp ActiveGhosu - Weapon Pack 1.esp ActiveLadyLaceCloaks_EN.espLFArmors.esp Activenobledress.esp ActiveNobleFemaleClothes.esp ActiveOmegared99-WeaponSets.esp ActiveStandard-15Percent.esp ActiveBash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Relev}}Note: Use only one optional leveled list. (High, Medium, Standard or Uber)True Thief Armor.esp ActiveUnique Uniques.esp ActiveBeautiful Riften.esp ActiveBeautiful Whiterun.esp ActiveBridge Farm Hearthfire version.esp ActiveConvenient Horse Herding.esp ActivectfdFollower.esp ActiveWarning: This file contains 1 deleted NavMesh record(s) that TES5Edit cannot repair automatically and it may cause problems with your game. NavMesh deletions should be reported to the mod author. A guide to repairing NavMesh deletions with TES5Edit is located here.Ebonvale.esp ActiveGildergreen Regrown.esp ActiveHearthfireMultiKid.esp ActiveInconsequential NPCs.esp ActiveRealisticWhiterun.esp ActiveRiverWood Redux.esp ActiveRiverwood Redux Expanded Basement.esp ActiveScholarsSolace.esp ActiveWSBP - OriFemale.esp ActiveWSBP - OriMale.esp Active360WalkandRunPlus-RunBackwardSpeedAdjust.esp ActiveBabette.esp ActiveContains dirty edits: 8 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.faster vanilla horses.esp ActiveMore Salt Please.esp ActiveMore Salt Please - Dragonborn addon.esp ActiveSFO - Expanded Diversity.esp ActiveNote: Uninstall old version of Skyrim Flora Overhaul if using SFO - Expanded Diversity.espSkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.espdD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp ActivedD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp ActiveUncle Sheo does Dawnguard.esp ActiveUncle Sheo does Hearthfire.esp ActiveUncle Sheo does Dragonborn.esp ActiveUncle Sheo does Climates of Tamriel.esp ActiveUncle Sheo does Frostfall.esp ActiveBetter Villages.esp ActiveFalkreath Reborn.esp ActiveEnhancedLightsandFX.esp ActiveELFX - Exteriors.esp ActiveELFX - Dawnguard.esp ActiveCinematicFireFX.esp ActiveClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp ActiveClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp ActiveClimatesOfTamriel-Interiors-Warm.esp ActiveIncompatible with: Realistic Lighting OverhaulClimatesOfTamriel-Nights-Level-5.esp Activeprod80_CoT_patch.esp ActiveRealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp ActiveBash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}Requires: RND_Water-Patch.espRND_BabettesFeast-Patch.esp ActiveRND_Dawnguard-Patch.esp ActiveRND_HearthFires-Patch.esp ActiveRND_Dragonborn-Patch.esp ActiveRND_UniqueBoozeBottles-Patch.esp Activedovahkiinrelax.esp ActivedD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp ActiveCazy Hairs-by zzjay.esp ActiveFh hairs-by zzjay.esp ActiveTheEyesOfBeauty.esp ActiveTribal Warpaint for Females.esp ActiveChildren of Skyrim - NORD PRESETS 11-20.esp ActiveA Simple Marriage Mod.esp ActiveCompilationV1.esp Activegarm_companion.esp ActiveKitiara.esp ActiveTheMeekoMod.esp ActiveEMCompViljaSkyrim.espEMViljaInSolstheimAddOn.espCharacterMakingExtender.esp ActiveEnhancedCharacterEdit.esp Activeethereal_elven_overhaul.esp ActivePurewaters.esp ActivePurewatersDG.esp ActivePurewatersDB.esp ActiveRND_PureWaters-Patch.esp ActiveGreenWaterFix_v2withDawnguard.esp ActiveCooking Expanded - RND Support.esp ActiveThe following plugins were not found in the masterlist, and must be positioned manually, using your favourite mod manager or by using BOSS's user rules functionality. You can submit unrecognised plugins for addition to the masterlist directly from this log by clicking on a plugin and supplying a link and/or description of its contents in the panel that is displayed.Solstheim Climate Overhaul - COT compatibility.esp ActiveSolstheim Wasteland.esp ActiveCoT_SnowPatch_NoAurora.esp ActiveCoT_SnowPatch_HQSnowVersion.esp ActiveCoT_SnowPatch.esp ActiveHearthfireMultiKid_LastName.esp ActiveMoreChildrenItem.esp ActiveChildren of Skyrim - NORD PRESETS 1-10.esp Activemilva - nord face preset.esp Activetyrnapreset.esp ActiveWarhorse Domino.esp ActiveSwift Steeds Replacer essen plus.esp Active Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguelr23 Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 at a quick look it can be 3 reasons: vram getting maxed out, ram maxed out(you may have 6 gb of ram but you will never use more than 3gb)and running too many script mods... but first i would start by cleaning your master files(update, dawnguard, hearthfire and dragonborn)gopher as a video for that :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fw3g_N1jcZQ next download http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/6491//? and check how much ram and vram you are using if your vram and ram are ok then it may be running to many scripts and then i would start by disabling a couple of script intensive modes(frostfall, enhanced blood, footprints, wet and cold etc)remember to check the mod pages to see if you need to do anything else other than just disabling the esp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoe23323 Posted October 16, 2013 Author Share Posted October 16, 2013 at a quick look it can be 3 reasons: vram getting maxed out, ram maxed out(you may have 6 gb of ram but you will never use more than 3gb)and running too many script mods... but first i would start by cleaning your master files(update, dawnguard, hearthfire and dragonborn)gopher as a video for that :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fw3g_N1jcZQ next download http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/6491//? and check how much ram and vram you are using if your vram and ram are ok then it may be running to many scripts and then i would start by disabling a couple of script intensive modes(frostfall, enhanced blood, footprints, wet and cold etc)remember to check the mod pages to see if you need to do anything else other than just disabling the espI cleaned all of my master files like you said, and I also used the performance monitor. I'm not sure what it means, but my VRAM never moved from 0 MB and my RAM got up to a maximum of 2,794 MB. Again, not really good with computers, so I have no idea if that's too much. In any case, this is the first time I've been able to actually get to Riverwood and not crash. Managed to get all the way to Whiterun and start talking to the Jarl before it CTD. I'm guessing that means I have too many script intensive mods. Can you suggest some to disable? I'd really rather not disable Frostfall and Wet and Cold, but I will disable Footprints and Enhanced Blood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scegielski Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Good call removing Footprints and Enhanced Blood. I'll bet that fixed it. Your 2794MB of RAM use is pretty close to the 3.1GB limit and I had the same crashing problems until I removed some mods like the aforementioned and brought my average memory use down below 2500MB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoe23323 Posted October 17, 2013 Author Share Posted October 17, 2013 Good call removing Footprints and Enhanced Blood. I'll bet that fixed it. Your 2794MB of RAM use is pretty close to the 3.1GB limit and I had the same crashing problems until I removed some mods like the aforementioned and brought my average memory use down below 2500MB.Removing Footprints and Enhanced Blood did bring my RAM down to about 2400MB average, but it still crashes sometimes. I guess it's just something I have to deal with. It crashed when I was at the Guardian Stones, but it does that sometimes anyway. Do you know of any other script intensive mods, other than Frostfall and Wet and Cold, that I could disable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoe23323 Posted October 17, 2013 Author Share Posted October 17, 2013 Nope, nevermind, it didn't fix it. I crashed about ten minutes in. Urg, I'm gonna have to disable more mods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RazorXE Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 I had random CTDs all the time but then I cleaned out not only my masterfile but also the mods that BOSS suggest needs cleaning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pevey Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 Simply disabling mods won't do much. They are already baked into your savegame. There's really no way to tell which mod it is. But I myself prefer the simplicity of Get Snowy over Wet & Cold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linkjoy123 Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 (edited) What I love about this forum, is everyone suggests to disable some mods. When you do and still have crashing, then they blame your save. The game is flawed dude, give up or you are going to just end up punching your screen. The engine is completely unstable, ever since the 1.9 patch and Dragonborn the game runs like crap. For some reason everyone is in denial on these forums. Always test for the placebo effect: Spawn 20 guard, activate God mode (in whatever city.) And have them wail away at you, if you are still freezing then you still have an issue. The game will usually freeze after 10 - 30 seconds (or less). Edited October 18, 2013 by linkjoy123 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoe23323 Posted October 18, 2013 Author Share Posted October 18, 2013 Simply disabling mods won't do much. They are already baked into your savegame. There's really no way to tell which mod it is. But I myself prefer the simplicity of Get Snowy over Wet & Cold. I had random CTDs all the time but then I cleaned out not only my masterfile but also the mods that BOSS suggest needs cleaning. What I love about this forum, is everyone suggests to disable some mods. When you do and still have crashing, then they blame your save. The game is flawed dude, give up or you are going to just end up punching your screen. The engine is completely unstable, ever since the 1.9 patch and Dragonborn the game runs like crap. For some reason everyone is in denial on these forums. Always test for the placebo effect: Spawn 20 guard, activate God mode (in whatever city.) And have them wail away at you, if you are still freezing then you still have an issue. The game will usually freeze after 10 - 30 seconds (or less).Alright, first, I gotta say that I know they're enabled in my saved games. If I disable one mod, even just one, loading a saved game crashes Skyrim automatically. That's why every time I've been trying to fix this, I've started a new game. Pretty sure I've said that about five times. So I disable the mods, start a new game, and it still crashes. Please, if you really want to help, read everything that I wrote and don't just skim and think you've found the problem. And I prefer Wet and Cold, so we have a difference of opinion. I've cleaned out any dirty edits out of my mods already. Not sure what my BOSS log says right now, but I cleaned out all of the dirty edits and it still CTD. I am aware that the game is flawed. I bought Skyrim the day it came out, modded it the week after. I've never had this problem before, which strikes me as strange. Two years of modding, yet this is the first time I have problems with CTD's? Ah well. My save files keep getting corrupted, so I'm not even able to test it. That's why I'm just disabling more mods. I'm keeping Frostfall and Wet and Cold, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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