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[daventry]

Are the Thalmor generally Evil like the Nazis or are there some that are Good that maybe pretends to be good under the Human Folk of Nirn.

 

If TES6 is going to be on Summerset Isle because of the War and because everyone is Sick of Snow, do you think there will be Thalmor that will Join the Humans and fight their Own Race.

 

Hence the Psijc Order is a Peaceful Thalmor Race, otherwise they couldve turned up like Ancano from the Collage and use the Orb to Destroy the Humans in the World.

 

Ive seen Mods that makes the Thalmor just Evil and wants to show them they are just that, so how bad are they or are there Friendly Thalmors aswell.

[RazorXE]

I think you are confused between Thalmor and Altmer (High Elves) Not all High Elves are a part of the Thalmor.

 

If you take that Legate in The Rift (forgot his name) He is a High Elf in the Imperial Legion , and he has an amazing story, He is preetty much figthing his own race.

 

Personally, I am a hard supporter of the Thalmor, I absouletly love the Thalmor, I have been playing as a High Elf ever since my first TES Game. Thalmor are here to prove that the orginal rulers of Tamriel are the Elves and they should Remain ELVES!

 

Yes I agree that the Thalmor are generally evil but we have endured eras of pain from these younger races of man, Everything in Tamriel was fine before men came around we were all in peace.

Its about time that we get our way, The Empire is crippled. Its all the effects of The Great War.  

 

Nords in the Stormcloak think they are defeating the Thalmor by attacking the Empire, but they are wrong. The stormcloaks are a creation of the Thalmor, Ulfrick was imprisioned but the thalmor saw him as an ally they knew he would go on and take his anger out on the empire, so they released him and thus he created the Stormcloaks. They are weakining the empire which makes it easier for the dominion conqure.

 

I could go on forever about the thalmor. But I would like to hear what other people say about them, I love debates like these.

[Rennn]

The Thalmor are certainly nazi-esque, but like Razor said you're confusing the Thalmor with the Altmer. The Altmer are a diverse race like any other. The Thalmor are the military arm of the Aldmeri Dominion, a specific government not endorsed by all Altmer.

 

I understand why lore enthusiasts sympathize with the Thalmor. Humans generally brought the elves down, and in a way, elven immortality was sacrificed for the benefit of humans. However, that was the choice of the Divines far in the past, and mortals can't undo what was done. Humans and elves should be working for peace and equality now, but the Thalmor will never let that happen. They'd rather enslave and butcher the wood elves, and try to subjugate humankind. I really understand the plight of the elves, but the Thalmor are not going to bring about peace or strength, they're going to start a holocaust that'll only end when human and elf society is too damaged to stave off another threat like the Oblivion crisis.

 

Don't get me wrong, the Stormcloaks are almost as bad. Their pride in Skyrim is verging on racism, and many of their supporters really are racist. Since Ulfric broke ties with the Thalmor, they're manipulating his hate to make sure the war with the Empire doesn't stop. The Thalmor want the Empire to fight the Stormcloaks, and they're using the combination of the Concordat and Ulfric's hatred of the Aldmeri Dominion to keep that war going.

 

I support the Forsworn, the Dunmer, and the Bosmer. The Dunmer and Forsworn both lost their land and are getting screwed by the Nords, and the Bosmer are getting screwed by the Thalmor.

 

Of course, the Talos debate is just silly. He's clearly the Ninth Divine, or you wouldn't be able to pray at his altars and receive the blessing of a Divine.

Edited by Rennn, 19 October 2013 - 04:08 AM.

[daventry]

I think you are confused between Thalmor and Altmer (High Elves) Not all High Elves are a part of the Thalmor.

 

If you take that Legate in The Rift (forgot his name) He is a High Elf in the Imperial Legion , and he has an amazing story, He is preetty much figthing his own race.

 

I thought Bethesda was being Lazy and just put the Same Actor Voice for an Imperial onto a High Elf, because theres an Imperial Legate with the Exact Lines. I was even going to Report this to Arthmoor as a Bug for the Unofficial Patch.

Edited by daventry, 19 October 2013 - 06:43 AM.

[RazorXE]

The Thalmor are certainly nazi-esque, but like Razor said you're confusing the Thalmor with the Altmer. The Altmer are a diverse race like any other. The Thalmor are the military arm of the Aldmeri Dominion, a specific government not endorsed by all Altmer.

 

I understand why lore enthusiasts sympathize with the Thalmor. Humans generally brought the elves down, and in a way, elven immortality was sacrificed for the benefit of humans. However, that was the choice of the Divines far in the past, and mortals can't undo what was done. Humans and elves should be working for peace and equality now, but the Thalmor will never let that happen. They'd rather enslave and butcher the wood elves, and try to subjugate humankind. I really understand the plight of the elves, but the Thalmor are not going to bring about peace or strength, they're going to start a holocaust that'll only end when human and elf society is too damaged to stave off another threat like the Oblivion crisis.

 

Don't get me wrong, the Stormcloaks are almost as bad. Their pride in Skyrim is verging on racism, and many of their supporters really are racist. Since Ulfric broke ties with the Thalmor, they're manipulating his hate to make sure the war with the Empire doesn't stop. The Thalmor want the Empire to fight the Stormcloaks, and they're using the combination of the Concordat and Ulfric's hatred of the Aldmeri Dominion to keep that war going.

 

I support the Forsworn, the Dunmer, and the Bosmer. The Dunmer and Forsworn both lost their land and are getting screwed by the Nords, and the Bosmer are getting screwed by the Thalmor.

 

Of course, the Talos debate is just silly. He's clearly the Ninth Divine, or you wouldn't be able to pray at his altars and receive the blessing of a Divine.

 

You are most certanily right in everything you have just said, I would have never expected anyone to give that response. I have to say that has to be the best response on a debate of the thalmor I have ever seen.

On the matter of Talos, I know that he is a divine, It got pretty obvious in Knights of the Nine.

 

But I really think a mortal no matter how amazing and great he was, shouldnt become a Divine, He didnt help create Nirn and there people nor did he do anything good for the Altmer. 

 

I personally dont consider Talos as a divine. I know he is one.            

[daventry]

I think theres also a Debate on Talos being a Divine or not, because im with the Thalmor on this one, Talos was just a Man where the Nords made him a God.

 

Can you imagine if in some Future TES Game we meet Talos and he says Nah im not a God the Thalmors are right, but lets keep that between you and me

[Rennn]

 

The Thalmor are certainly nazi-esque, but like Razor said you're confusing the Thalmor with the Altmer. The Altmer are a diverse race like any other. The Thalmor are the military arm of the Aldmeri Dominion, a specific government not endorsed by all Altmer.

 

I understand why lore enthusiasts sympathize with the Thalmor. Humans generally brought the elves down, and in a way, elven immortality was sacrificed for the benefit of humans. However, that was the choice of the Divines far in the past, and mortals can't undo what was done. Humans and elves should be working for peace and equality now, but the Thalmor will never let that happen. They'd rather enslave and butcher the wood elves, and try to subjugate humankind. I really understand the plight of the elves, but the Thalmor are not going to bring about peace or strength, they're going to start a holocaust that'll only end when human and elf society is too damaged to stave off another threat like the Oblivion crisis.

 

Don't get me wrong, the Stormcloaks are almost as bad. Their pride in Skyrim is verging on racism, and many of their supporters really are racist. Since Ulfric broke ties with the Thalmor, they're manipulating his hate to make sure the war with the Empire doesn't stop. The Thalmor want the Empire to fight the Stormcloaks, and they're using the combination of the Concordat and Ulfric's hatred of the Aldmeri Dominion to keep that war going.

 

I support the Forsworn, the Dunmer, and the Bosmer. The Dunmer and Forsworn both lost their land and are getting screwed by the Nords, and the Bosmer are getting screwed by the Thalmor.

 

Of course, the Talos debate is just silly. He's clearly the Ninth Divine, or you wouldn't be able to pray at his altars and receive the blessing of a Divine.

 

You are most certanily right in everything you have just said, I would have never expected anyone to give that response. I have to say that has to be the best response on a debate of the thalmor I have ever seen.           

 

 

Thank you.

[Lachdonin]

I think theres also a Debate on Talos being a Divine or not, because im with the Thalmor on this one, Talos was just a Man where the Nords made him a God.

 

Can you imagine if in some Future TES Game we meet Talos and he says Nah im not a God the Thalmors are right, but lets keep that between you and me

 

Unfortunately, Talos IS a god. Tiber Septim mantled Lorkhan, then achieved CHIM. He then combined with the souls of Zurin Arctus and Wulfharth to became a sorta-aedra with the destruction of the Numidium. In doing this, he mantled the entainamprph (represented here by the Lorkhan/Akatosh duality of his Shezzarine status and Dragonblood) sacrificed some of his power to cement the Impossipoint which tied him to the domain of Mundus the same as the Aedra.

 

We know, unequivocally, that Talos is a god. In fact, the Thalmor also know that Talos is a god, and that he acts as a second convention. In order for their plan to work, they need to destroy Talos, which requires the destruction of all Men.

 

As for the Thalmor... Well... depending on their ties to the Queen Aynren of the First Aldmeri Dominion, they could in fact be led from a malfunctioning, human hating Ayleid robot from the future. So... you know... More Wolfenstien than traditional Nazi.

[RazorXE]

It is actually no debate that the Talos is a god. I am with the Thalmor but I still know that. Its just that I dont think he deserves to be one. He has done nothing good for the altmer, he didnt help in the creation nirn, I dont see why he deserves to be a god.

[Lachdonin]

It is actually no debate that the Talos is a god. I am with the Thalmor but I still know that. Its just that I dont think he deserves to be one. He has done nothing good for the altmer, he didnt help in the creation nirn, I dont see why he deserves to be a god.

 

He has contributed, retroactively, to the creation of Mundus. When he mantled the Entinamorph (probably spelling that wrong) he was able to willingly sacrifice some of his power, effectively re-instating the imposipoint and becoming 'Convention 2.0'. He also Mantled Lorkhan (the original mastermind of Mundus) and achieved CHIM (the ultimate goal of Mundus).

 

Hell, the only thing Talos hasn't done is achieve Amaranth... We think.

 

He deserves to be a god a lot more than the 8 Divines do. Their whole bit is sticking around too long and getting trapped.

Edited by Lachdonin, 22 October 2013 - 03:47 AM.