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[blakfyr999]

Hmm, you make it sound as if there was an entire army of unemployed mod authors hanging around here desperately searching for ideas what they could create next.

 

Usually the authors hanging around here are here because they're already working on something of their own ideas and want to share their progress or final creations.

Some also aim to gather feedback to their initial plans or ideas on how to refine them further. (I'm one of those, so I know they exist.)

 

The number of mod authors 'not' working on anything of their own volition already and instead only waiting for an interesting request they could fulfill to come up actually is indefinitely small in comparison.

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for better organization and/or categorization even for such insignificant-in-comparison things as mod requests. (Well, who am I kidding? I myself loved to fulfill requests which were of interest to me whenever I needed a welcome distraction from my usual projects, or at least when I was still able to do that amount of modding in my free time.) But just so you know, you already managed to lash out at and offend a good number of those select few who actually may have been able to fulfill your requests or those of others.

 

The thing is, they were totally right. If there are authors desperately searching for ideas they could make real, they will go as far as down to the last page with unread posts on it, to not miss anything potentially valuable to them, or they will even have subscribed to the mod requests forums of their interest as well already.

But those who aren't, you can be bloody sure, won't even look at the first page of the requests forum to begin with, and will never even notice any changes to its organization done inside.

 

People seem to have an entirely wrong grasp of the whole Mod Requests idea recently. Sure you can post your ideas inside there, and sure 'some' of them are taken up by interested authors and made real, but it's not like there's an entire Mod Request Force standing ready for any new requests coming up and they need to be totally made aware of your request or it'll never be taken up. As a matter of fact, most requests never will, but not because nobody is aware of them, because who is interested in fulfilling mod requests also knows how to find the ones of interest to himself, but because simply only very few are of interest to the select few authors randomly checking in there in search for new ideas.

 

Posting a request in there and 'expecting' to get a response from an author jumping in in joy to make it real in only a short time is totally delusional. Yet an incredibly huge number of requestees seems to think that's the way it's going to be. And they slowly start to annoy and scare away the select few authors actually checking in there from time to time already, until there's nobody left interested in fulfilling the wishes of those "My ideas are the very best and everybody totally has to make them real!!"-kind of folks anymore, who in most cases additionally fail to realize their proposed ideas are either 'impossible' to achieve in the game they're asking for, or at least incredibly hard and complex and can only be done by a select few authors at all, who are also already working on their own projects in the meantime.

 

That said, I'm all for categorizing Mod Requests further. But don't underestimate the incredible amount of work your proposed idea means for the only 6 staff members to sift through and sort all mod requests of all games there are and will be in the future, while the actual number of these keeps exponentially rising with each day. Let's not forget they have other, more important tasks to fulfill as well besides of this little feature which will only benefit a tiny fracture of the member base to begin with.

 

I didn't try to lash out at anyone, first of all, let me say that to anyone who may have thought that. I may have a bit of a arguing presence to say the least, but I did not intend to lash out at anyone, if that's how it seems. Sorry, anyone

 

I also understand nobody just sifts through the board in that fashion.

 

Honestly, and not to sound mean or anything, but you're over-thinking this idea. There's no reason this idea is even text-wall reply worthy.

It's a simple idea to combat a simple issue, which is why I posted it.

 

I'm not looking for a revolutionary change to the Mod Request board- I can say there you may have read my intentions wrong.

 

 

Again, this is a simple idea. And it's not even so big of a deal to even have 10 replies, honestly, I'm surprised it's gotten this much exposure.

 

[Also, there would definitely not be the need for 6 mods for this, that's overkill.]

 

EDIT: In any rate, I was just posting this idea to just throw it out there, as I said in the original post. I don't really think this is anything worth honestly even conversating too much over lol. I've been to forums [many], and I've seen ideas worth 2nd opinions. This seems to me like either admins like it, or admins don't. In my opinion, at least.

 

I thought this would just be an easy idea is all lol

Edited by blakfyr999, 05 January 2014 - 02:52 AM.

[Lisnpuppy]

Ok children....

 

As I said...a new thread organization wouldn't hurt if Dark0ne wanted to do it...though he has plenty on his plate.  No way any of us would go and put older mods or move out of place ones around on a regular basis.  No time or inclination to do such. 

 

I also understand what others are saying about mod authors wanting something to do they would find it.  However I can see the benefits to this beyond just the mod authors looking more (other folks not asking for the same crap 4 million times springs to mind.) 

 

So...you all take a chill pill.  He offered an idea in a nice way.  No sense beating him up yet about it.  Leave that thing to me...I got a great ban hammer for the job if needs doing. 

[blakfyr999]

Ok children....

 

As I said...a new thread organization wouldn't hurt if Dark0ne wanted to do it...though he has plenty on his plate.  No way any of us would go and put older mods or move out of place ones around on a regular basis.  No time or inclination to do such. 

 

I also understand what others are saying about mod authors wanting something to do they would find it.  However I can see the benefits to this beyond just the mod authors looking more (other folks not asking for the same crap 4 million times springs to mind.) 

 

So...you all take a chill pill.  He offered an idea in a nice way.  No sense beating him up yet about it.  Leave that thing to me...I got a great ban hammer for the job if needs doing. 

 

Oi, works by me ^~^ Glad you guys like the idea, albeit not much thought through~

Hope an admin can pick it up or something though, thanks ^~^

[Petition to not beat me up with a hammer, though]

[daventry]

No need to throw the Banhamer my way, i was nice and gave a resonable Idea for Members who made Requests, so it either depends on how many words or Links you can put in your Signiture or make One Thread and combine all your Request Links of the past in there, then put that Link in your Signiture.

 

So blackfyr999 i got the initial Idea of what your talking about, because on the Nexus Page, Catagories for Requests would look like this.

http://www.nexusmods...ds/categories/?

[Shadeybladey]

 

If people subscribe to the forum, they get an e-mail every time someone posts a mod request.

 

~.~

 

Again, this isn't exactly a solution

 

 

It's not the solution you want, but I see every request for a new mod as soon as it is posted and most of them are either rubbish that I would not even bother to download if they were made, too complicated/impossible for anyone to do or so ridiculously over the top it would take a team of twenty very skilled mod authors three years to complete. I am not a skilled modder, but I subscribed to the forum to look for new mods being made, not for ideas to make them myself.

 

I think most mod authors are more interested in making their own stuff as a lot of the ideas suggested are very poor - spider man armour and daft stuff like that. Mods are not made on request because someone posts a request and a modder says "What a great idea!". What happens is a modder says "Yes, I think I could make that pretty easily - give me a few hours". Then, they post again with a link to the mod page.

 

So what happens is that modders do favours for people when they can - they do not look for good ideas, as they have enough good ideas of their own. If they see an idea they think they can make reality for someone, they do it.

 

I have seen two mods made on request in the last few months - and they were both relatively simple and the authors who made them already knew how to do it. That is the type of mod most likely to be made on request. I made one myself for a friend who had too many Death Hound collars. I could do this easily as I had already made the Silver and Mithril Smithing mod for myself. Very simple once you have done it once. Time-consuming, fiddly, tedious and repetitive, but pretty straightforward. This was separate to the other two I mentioned and the request came via a friends group, not here.

 

 

I DO agree that maybe the Mod Request Forum should be split into sub-sections - Textures, Meshes, Crafting, Recipes, Spells, NPCs, Followers, Quests, and maybe Warrior, Thief and Mage.

 

 

But you are more likely to get a response by asking for help to make a mod rather than asking someone else to do it for you. As the sticky says, if you do not get a response, no one is interested. How many separate threads have there been on "Winterhold Rebuilt", for example?

 

And as much as I love the Nexus for hosting and downloading mods, I get a lot more help with making them at the Bethesda Creation Kit forum than I do at the Nexus forum. That's not a reflection on the sites themselves, more on the people who read the posts.

 

Maybe, not many mod authors read mod requests anymore? I know I only read them because I am subscribed, just in case a good idea comes up and gets made - like Walking Through Molasses (which I have) and Death Souls (which I don't need).

 

~.~

[Shadeybladey]

 

[Personally, I was hoping someone would acknowledge my request for Team Magma from Pokemon armor.

 

Well, there you have it. Personally, and I really mean no offence at all, but Pokemon armour?!?

 

In Skyrim?!?

 

There's absolutely no way in the I would ever even bother using a mod like that, much less make one. So I think it's probably safe to say no one was interested. Orcish Amour that looks like the armour from Morrowind - YES! I would love that.

 

Also, to make all the meshes and textures would be very complex. Adapting existing textures is easy enough (that's what I do), but making new meshes requires very expensive software.

 

There is a guy who is very good at it and has the Cinema 4D software - he might make it for you if you provide images of the armour and send him a pm, but it would be up to him if he wants to go to the time and effort.

 

So YOU have to go to some effort and make the suggestion to someone with a proven track record of making the kind of mod you want. Weapons and armour seems to be no trouble for this guy. He has been very helpful to people trying to make such mods for primitive wilderness weapons etc.

 

You could download Nif Skope and GIMP free of charge, but to create new meshes from scratch requires much more sophisticated software - that's why it is such a specialised and niche area.

 

~.~

[Lisnpuppy]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.  Short of making sorting easier there is nothing more to be done.  Mod authors make mods for themselves first and foremost.  If they do something at request it is because they want it, think its a challenge, they are feeling kind or it is for a friend.

 

There are places that get more traffic then the nexus you can ask.  Also...the best thing..learn to mod yourself then you can do it.  there are some great tutorials and here or other places (like Tes Alliance springs to mind) are great places to find help for LEARNING.

 

[DrakeTheDragon]

[Also, there would definitely not be the need for 6 mods for this, that's overkill.]

Just as a correction, I didn't mean there'd need to be 6 mods to do this.

I meant there's only 6 members of staff in total you could be taking from to take care of your categorising.

 

People these days are always so fast to define what additional tasks the mods should be taking care of, while they totally miss the point there's only 6 of them in total to being with.

These 6 people can only handle so many tasks, before other more important parts of their responsibility start suffering. That's all I was aiming at.

 

edit: I might be mistaken about the 6, but it's definitely not much more than a single digit number.

Edited by DrakeTheDragon, 06 January 2014 - 12:07 AM.

[daventry]

Just out of curiosity, why keep Mods that Fix the Game where the Unofficial Patch has the Fix now.

[bben46]

@Daventry: Some people choose to not use the unofficial patch. And some have said it does not work with some of their mods - They will still need the fix outside of the unofficial patch. It's mostly a matter of personal preference.