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Poll: Lolicon Poll (57 member(s) have cast votes)

Do you believe lolicon to be morally wrong?

  1. Yes, it is wrong. (14 votes [24.56%])

    Percentage of vote: 24.56%

  2. No, as it is art. (9 votes [15.79%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.79%

  3. No, because its not even real. (13 votes [22.81%])

    Percentage of vote: 22.81%

  4. It's just anime, who cares? (7 votes [12.28%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.28%

  5. I have no stance to right or wrong on it. (7 votes [12.28%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.28%

  6. As long as it's not too young. (2 votes [3.51%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.51%

  7. I don't care because it is legal. (4 votes [7.02%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.02%

  8. No opinion. (1 votes [1.75%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.75%

If there were a mod that has loli in it, what would you do?

  1. Flame the topic. (1 votes [1.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.33%

  2. Download it if it fits my taste. (25 votes [33.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 33.33%

  3. Publically object, but approprietly. (5 votes [6.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.67%

  4. Publically endorse its use. (6 votes [8.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.00%

  5. State my personal distaste for it, but understand why its legal. (1 votes [1.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.33%

  6. Not even look at the mod page because I don't like it, I have nothing nice to say about it, so I choose to not let myself say anything at all. (6 votes [8.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.00%

  7. Not care either way. It's the authors choice to use loli in his mod, and the downloaders choice to use the mod. Who cares. (26 votes [34.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 34.67%

  8. Politely attempt to privately persuade the author to take the mod down. (2 votes [2.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.67%

  9. Freak out. (3 votes [4.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.00%

What do you think about the individuals who like loli?

  1. I back em up. (15 votes [17.44%])

    Percentage of vote: 17.44%

  2. I understand its their choice and its legal. (21 votes [24.42%])

    Percentage of vote: 24.42%

  3. I think that it is their right and freedom. (25 votes [29.07%])

    Percentage of vote: 29.07%

  4. I will state my distaste, but not let it cloud my judgement of their character. (6 votes [6.98%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.98%

  5. I might think less of them, but still be appropriete. (5 votes [5.81%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.81%

  6. I will most likely judge them and try to avoid interactions. (5 votes [5.81%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.81%

  7. I will tell them I believe they are doing something morally wrong. (4 votes [4.65%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.65%

  8. I will most likely insult them. (1 votes [1.16%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.16%

  9. I will believe them to be vermin, and let others know this. (4 votes [4.65%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.65%

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This is a poll about lolicon for use in oblivion mods. I want to know the publics opinions about it in different aspects. One, i want to know the publics opinion about lolicon itself, and as well I would like to know what you think of the idea about it being used in mods, and lastely how it will affect your judgement on the author / downloaders of the mods involved with loli. There are several reasons to this poll and why i chose to create it, but the biggest just being curiosity on how the public views it.

I IMPLORE YOU BE APPROPRIETE! For any topic i am sure there are people willing to go off the deep end, there are literally no limits to what one can find offencive and what one can find to argue about. I mean, heck, my stepfather once argued with my mother for 2 hours... and arguement that started about why there was a spoon on the table.. So i know first hand people can get rediculous. This is why i ask that any comments be appropriete, if you wish to state distaste about it usage, then please do so nicely, and within the rules.

To the moderators: I have NO IDEA if this is even allowed on the nexus sites. Lolicon is legal in many countries, including my own, but certain countries have banned its usage altogether... well.. in certain countries you can get beheaded for cheating, so pretty much I'm at a loss in knowing whether its allowed or not. If it is not allowed please inform me. A couple months ago I messaged 2 moderators about this, and was not given a reply at all. (Most likely because there were much more important time consuming things at hand, my message proly just got overlooked, but meh, who cares)

As well, I know certain hot topic issues are not exactly wanted to be talked about, even if it is within rule boundries. So, if you feel that you don't want this thread up, please tell me and i will quickly destroy the poll by changing its subject, title, ETC. I know from a while back Buddah was unable to edit a poll of mine so he had to request i do it myself, so i did. (I miss spelled his name in the poll) However, if you are able to change the title, even if its a poll, and do not want the poll her, then please change the title to "futuristic oblivion?" And i will adjust the questions accordingly. Mainly because i do want to know something about public opinion on a futuristic timeset of tes4 as well.

Reasons for posting the above message to moderators? I don't want to offend anyone, and i want to make it known. Also, i like typing, so i tend to type way too much. But i seriously would like an answer to this question: "Is lolicon allowed in OB mods on tesnexus?"

Thanks you.

~Ranokoa

PS: My personal opinion on it is neutral. Don't care too much for it, but its legal so i don't care that others do or don't. Just some recent thread reading about an offsubject about loli got me interested to make this poll.

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I believe people have the right to look at,create and DL whatever is their tastes or desire.
I believe in the rights of the individual.
I follow my own path and make my own way in the world.Whatever one does,with the exception of rape,pedophlia,animal cruelty etc is none of my,nor anyone elses business!

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I believe people have the right to look at,create and DL whatever is their tastes or desire.
I believe in the rights of the individual.
I follow my own path and make my own way in the world.Whatever one does,with the exception of rape,pedophlia,animal cruelty etc is none of my,nor anyone elses business!

Except that you have one problem. More and more countries are trying to pass legislation that makes possessing this kind of stuff illegal. In the strictest legal sense, drawn depictions of under-age characters, who show any nudity, or engage in any sexual behavior falls under pedophilia. The only reason why it is not enforced as often is because there aren't many who know anything about this kind of thing even existing. So the legality is tentative at best.

My suggestion on this matter is still the same. It's really not worth your time to do, and doing it doesn't really benefit anyone.

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Lolicon
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Lolicon (ロリコン?), also romanized as rorikon, is a Japanese portmanteau of the phrase "Lolita complex".[1][2] In Japan, the term describes an attraction to young girls,[3] or an individual with such an attraction.[4][5] Outside Japan, the term is less common and most often refers to a genre of manga and anime wherein underaged or childlike female characters are depicted in an erotic manner. The phrase is a reference to Vladimir Nabokov's book, Lolita, in which a middle-aged man becomes sexually obsessed with a 12-year-old girl.[6] The equivalent term for attraction to (or art pertaining to erotic portrayal of) young boys is shotacon.

Some critics claim that the lolicon genre contributes to actual sexual abuse of children,[7][8] while others claim that there is no evidence for this,[8][9] or that there is evidence to the contrary.[10] Although several countries have attempted to criminalize lolicon's sexually explicit forms as a type of child pornography, Canada, Australia[11], New Zealand, Sweden[12], the Philippines[13] and Ireland are among the few to have actually done so.


Yeah, I had to look it up. I wasn't familiar with the term "lolicon" but I am familiar with aname and manga. I have always seen a little perversion in both. Like the OP, I'm neutral but it isn't to my tastes.

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Are we talking intentional or unintentional?

For instance the "Children of Cyrodiil" project's intention isn't to be loli, but someone could use it as such, just like someone could use it completely innocently for Immersion, companions, quests, whatever.

I voted:
"Download it if it fits my taste." for that reason, but I don't see myself using any sort of completely lolicon mod.

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No im talking 100% intentional loli. I'm not sugar coating anything :).

As far as i can tell, only 20% of people who voted dont want it, dont like it, and object to it. I thought it would be the other way around. Wow. But meh, not everyone has voted anyways yet. Oh also, i forgot to mention, you can vote on multiple answers for question 2 and 3

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Soooo, like Sexlivion but younger looking NPCs? Cause I could see how that could be offensive. I'm kind of an immersionist/realism type gamer so... people/player having sex, fine by me. I have the above mentioned mod, but it's rather poorly implemented from an immersion point of view. (everyone is willing to have sex with you from a simple spell even if they hate you, or you're standing in the middle of the market district.)

Now if something was "loli" for the sake of immersion it wouldn't bother me, like: slave trade, kidnapping, Daedra Seducer victim, general scum trying to have sex with children. Hell, I might even play such a mod so long as it'd be a good mod and there would be some option to stop anything from happening, or rectifying the act/situation.(revenge; freeing the slave(s); gathering evidence, convincing the child to come forward, and then arresting the perpetrator; ...whatever)

Some sort of pornographic material to signify a NPCs prevertedness would also be fine, but pornographic material for the player's enjoyment would offend me (unless it was some sort of pornographic book store for NPCs and you could do one of the above "rectifyings.")....... So, yeah: Anything that isn't sickeningly unrealistic and solely geared to the player, or isn't "interactive" I'd personally have no problem with, and might even play.

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I believe people have the right to look at,create and DL whatever is their tastes or desire.
I believe in the rights of the individual.
I follow my own path and make my own way in the world.Whatever one does,with the exception of rape,pedophilia,animal cruelty etc is none of my,nor anyone else's business!

Except that you have one problem. More and more countries are trying to pass legislation that makes possessing this kind of stuff illegal. In the strictest legal sense, drawn depictions of under-age characters, who show any nudity, or engage in any sexual behavior falls under pedophilia. The only reason why it is not enforced as often is because there aren't many who know anything about this kind of thing even existing. So the legality is tentative at best.

My suggestion on this matter is still the same. It's really not worth your time to do, and doing it doesn't really benefit anyone.

Its my problem how? Pedophilia is wrong period! But I can no more tell you what to do as you can tell me. I'm an adult,my tastes are my own.I stay within whats legal. What other countries do is not up to me.If someone chooses to down load content objectionable to the moral majority,the purists and what ever governmental agencies deem is unfit for the population of their countries will not stop people from dling it.

I don't believe in blaming this and that,you need to look at the who and why,not those who want their rights abolished under what others deem is wrong.
Complain and nay say me all you like.I believe in my rights as an individual and you nor anyone else,even a government can ever take that from me. You can try but in the end will fail, and fail miserably. mankind prevails over all things deemed wrong by certain people and governments. Those who are strong survive,its only the sheep that are led to the slaughter!

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I believe people have the right to look at,create and DL whatever is their tastes or desire.
I believe in the rights of the individual.
I follow my own path and make my own way in the world.Whatever one does,with the exception of rape,pedophilia,animal cruelty etc is none of my,nor anyone else's business!

Except that you have one problem. More and more countries are trying to pass legislation that makes http://thenexusforum...t.gifpossessing this kind of stuff illegal. In the strictest legal sense, drawn depictions of under-age characters, who show any nudity, or engage in any sexual behavior falls under pedophilia. The only reason why it is not enforced as often is because there aren't many who know anything about this kind of thing even existing. So the legality is tentative at best.

My suggestion on this matter is still the same. It's really not worth your time to do, and doing it doesn't really benefit anyone.

Its my problem how? Pedophilia is wrong period! But I can no more tell you what to do as you can tell me. I'm an adult,my tastes are my own.I stay within whats legal. What other countries do is not up to me.If someone chooses to down load content objectionable to the moral majority,the purists and what ever governmental agencies deem is unfit for the population of their countries will not stop people from dling it.

I don't believe in blaming this and that,you need to look at the who and why,not those who want their rights abolished under what others deem is wrong.
Complain and nay say me all you like.I believe in my rights as an individual and you nor anyone else,even a government can ever take that from me. You can try but in the end will fail, and fail miserably. mankind prevails over all things deemed wrong by certain people and governments. Those who are strong survive,its only the sheep that are led to the slaughter!

I wasn't talking about you personally, I was talking about your stance of "it's ok, but I don't agree with pedophilia." My comment was to point out that legally, they are one in the same. If the police ever seize your computer and find drawn, fictionalized depictions of children engaging in sex, regardless of what you might believe, you are still going to be tried as a sex offender, and listed right along with the same horrible people who commit real crimes.

But this is all beside the point. One should really stop and ask themselves just who would actually like this kind of mod. The answer is rather obvious, the people who would like this kind of mod are the same kind of people who are attracted to these kinds of depictions, or those who are young and are looking for anything and everything they can get a hold of that is considered "illicit". Do we really want to encourage more of these people making and downloading mods? Do we really want modding to be seen as being capable of making content that in some places is outright illegal? A mod like this doesn't help anyone, it only makes things worse all around. Public opinion doesn't really matter here. What matters is the simple fact that stuff like this is not what modding is about, and the creation of porn mods only creates more fuel for the fires for execs that want to prevent it outright, and for those activist parents who want to force "decency" onto everyone.

It's not a moral, or ethical problem, it's a legal one. I didn't vote simply because all the choices were geared around a belief that it was "their right" or "their freedom". or about there being moral or cultural concerns. So long as people are able to draw the link between fiction "inspiring" real actions and events, stuff like this will remain illegal to own or distribute. Lolicon, to some would appear to endorse, encourage, inspire, and sensationalize sexual acts between adults and children. This is why it is just as illegal as some other explicit depictions, such as rape, violence, and in some cases drug use.

Once again, I suggest that you do not do this, and find something more worthwhile, and less legally questionable to do with your time, and more befitting of your talents.

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Completely opposed to it. I have an open mind for most things, but pedophilia is not one of them. You know that's what such a mod would be used for eventually (if not right from the beginning.)




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