Infinite Loadscreen (on Cell-Change?)

[zod18]

So I've got a problem I just can't fix. My game runs pretty much perfect with about 70 mods, ultra graphics, some ini-tweaks, no framerate problems, no script issues (at least for now since I started a new game) and of course the awesome memory patch.

But while everything works perfectly I've got a huge issue with infinite loading screens. When loading from the main menu, everything loads fine ...while ingame - for example when dying - I can only load the manual saves. Autosaves and quicksaves usually cause an ILS. And this occurs already in the first hour after a new game!

Of course I can play with manual saves (I'm doing it atm, hoping that it keeps working) but there has to be a cause / fix for this? Here's my relevant settings, feel free to ask for more details

 

Load Order (sorted by BOSS)

 

Skyrim.esm
Update.esm
Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp
Dawnguard.esm
Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp
HearthFires.esm
Dragonborn.esm
Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp
Falskaar.esm
Wyrmstooth.esp
RaceCompatibility.esm
Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm
Fantasy Soundtrack Project.esp
Immersive Sounds - Magic.esp
Immersive Sounds - Weaponry.esp
StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp
StaticMeshImprovementMod-DragonbornTernFix.esp
StaticMeshImprovementMod-FurnitureChestSnowFix.esp
High Level Enemies.esp
High Level Enemies - Falskaar.esp
High Level Enemies - Dawnguard.esp
High Level Enemies - Dragonborn.esp
Immersive Battles.esp
Immersive Brigands.esp
Immersive Dawnguard.esp
Immersive Dragonborn.esp
Immersive Factions.esp
Immersive Mercenaries.esp
Immersive Patrols.esp
Immersive Travelers.esp
Immersive Werewolves.esp
Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp
SkyUI.esp
Cloaks.esp
Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
Immersive Weapons.esp
Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.esp
DeadlyDragons.esp
DeadlyMonsters.esp
SkyRe_Main.esp
SkyRe_EncounterZones.esp
SkyRe_StandingStones.esp
AchieveThat.esp
GrassOnSteroids_NaturalEdition_SFO.esp
Rebirth Monster.esp
Skyrim Unlimited Rings And Amulets.esp
SFO - Expanded Diversity.esp
dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dungeons.esp
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dawnguard Interiors.esp
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Exteriors.esp
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Interiors.esp
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Minor Cities and Town Interiors.esp
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Weathers.esp
SaturationBoost.esp
Enchanting Freedom.esp
Path of Shadows.esp
UltimateCombat.esp
The Dance of Death - Ultimate Edition.esp
SuccubusRaceLite.esp
moveitLWT.esp
Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp
SkyRe_Races.esp
Purewaters.esp
ReProccer.esp
Immersive Sounds - Footsteps.esp
AHZmoreHUD.esp
FSP - Dawnguard Edition.esp
Dr_Bandolier.esp

 

 

Skyrim.ini

 

[General]
sLanguage=ENGLISH
uGridsToLoad=7
uExterior Cell Buffer=64
iPreloadSizeLimit=262144000
SIntroSequence=0

[backgroundLoad]
bBackgroundLoadLipFiles=1
bLoadBackgroundFaceGen=1
bUseMultiThreadedFaceGen=1
bBackgroundCellLoads=1
bLoadHelmetsInBackground=1
bUseMultiThreadedTrees=1
bUseBackgroundFileLoader=1

[HAVOK]
iNumThreads=4

[General]
bUseThreadedTempEffects=1
bUseThreadedParticleSystem=1
bMultiThreadMovement=1
bUseThreadedMorpher=1

[Decals]
bDecalMultithreaded=1

[Display]
fShadowLODMaxStartFade=1000.0
fSpecularLODMaxStartFade=2000.0
fLightLODMaxStartFade=3500.0
iShadowMapResolutionPrimary=2048
bAllowScreenshot=0
fDefaultWorldFOV=80
fDefault1stPersonFOV=80

[Audio]
fMusicDuckingSeconds=6.0
fMusicUnDuckingSeconds=8.0
fMenuModeFadeOutTime=3.0
fMenuModeFadeInTime=1.0

[Grass]
bAllowCreateGrass=1
bAllowLoadGrass=0
iGrassCellRadius=5
iMaxGrassTypesPerTexure=7
iMinGrassSize=75

[GeneralWarnings]
SGeneralMasterMismatchWarning=One or more plugins could not find the correct versions of the master files they depend on. Errors may occur during load or game play. Check the "Warnings.txt" file for more information.

[Archive]
sResourceArchiveList=Skyrim - Misc.bsa, Skyrim - Shaders.bsa, Skyrim - Textures.bsa, Skyrim - Interface.bsa, Skyrim - Animations.bsa, Skyrim - Meshes.bsa, Skyrim - Sounds.bsa
sResourceArchiveList2=Skyrim - Voices.bsa, Skyrim - VoicesExtra.bsa

[Combat]
fMagnetismStrafeHeadingMult=0.0
fMagnetismLookingMult=0.0
f1PArrowTiltUpAngle=0.7
f3PArrowTiltUpAngle=0.7
f1PBoltTiltUpAngle=0.7
f3PBoltTiltUpAngle=0.7

[Actor]
fVisibleNavmeshMoveDist=12288.0000

[Papyrus]
fPostLoadUpdateTimeMS=800.0
fUpdateBudgetMS=800
fPostLoadUpdateTimeMS=800
fExtraTaskletBudgetMS=800
iMinMemoryPageSize=256
iMaxMemoryPageSize=512
bEnableLogging=0
bEnableTrace=0
bLoadDebugInformation=0
[Water]
bReflectLODObjects=1
bReflectLODLand=1
bReflectSky=1
bReflectLODTrees=1

 

 

SkyrimPrefs.ini

 

 

[General]
fBrightLightColorB=1.0000
fBrightLightColorG=1.0000
fBrightLightColorR=1.0000
iStoryManagerLoggingEvent=-1
bEnableStoryManagerLogging=0
fDefaultFOV=80
bUseThreadedParticleSystem=1
bUseThreadedBlood=1
bUseThreadedMorpher=1
bUseThreadedTempEffects=1
bUseThreadedTextures=1
bUseThreadedMeshes=1
bUseThreadedLOD=1
bUseThreadedAI=1
bUseThreadedMorpher=1

[imagespace]
bDoDepthOfField=0
iRadialBlurLevel=0

[Display]
iBlurDeferredShadowMask=12
fInteriorShadowDistance=3000.0000
fShadowDistance=6000.0000
iShadowMapResolutionSecondary=1024
iShadowMapResolutionPrimary=2048
iShadowSplitCount=2
iMaxAnisotropy=16
fLeafAnimDampenDistEnd=4600.0000
fLeafAnimDampenDistStart=3600.0000
fTreesMidLODSwitchDist=10000000.0000
fGamma=0.9500
fDecalLOD2=1500.0000
fDecalLOD1=1000.0000
fSpecularLODStartFade=2000.0000
fShadowLODStartFade=200.0000
fLightLODStartFade=3500.0000
iTexMipMapMinimum=0
iTexMipMapSkip=0
iWaterMultiSamples=0
iMultiSample=4
iShadowMode=2
bTreesReceiveShadows=1
bDrawLandShadows=1
bFull Screen=1
iSize H=1080
iSize W=1920
fMeshLODFadePercentDefault=1.2000
fMeshLODFadeBoundDefault=256.0000
fMeshLODLevel2FadeTreeDistance=2048.0000
fMeshLODLevel1FadeTreeDistance=2844.0000
fMeshLODLevel2FadeDist=10000000.0000
fMeshLODLevel1FadeDist=10000000.0000
iScreenShotIndex=0
bShadowMaskZPrepass=1
bMainZPrepass=0
iMaxSkinDecalsPerFrame=25
iMaxDecalsPerFrame=100
bFloatPointRenderTarget=0
sD3DDevice="NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780"
bFXAAEnabled=0
iShadowMapResolution=4096
fShadowBiasScale=0.5000
iShadowMaskQuarter=4
iAdapter=0
iPresentInterval=0
iShadowFilter=2
bShadowsOnGrass=0
bTransparencyMultisampling=0
bDeferredShadows=1
bDrawShadows=1


[Grass]
b30GrassVS=1
fGrassStartFadeDistance=12000.0000
fGrassMaxStartFadeDistance=7000.0000
fGrassMinStartFadeDistance=0.0000
bGrassPointLighting=1
bDrawShaderGrass=1
[MAIN]
bGamepadEnable=1
bCrosshairEnabled=1
fHUDOpacity=1.0000
bSaveOnPause=0
bSaveOnTravel=0
bSaveOnWait=0
bSaveOnRest=0
fSkyCellRefFadeDistance=150000.0000

[GamePlay]
bShowFloatingQuestMarkers=1
bShowQuestMarkers=1
iDifficulty=3
[interface]
bDialogueSubtitles=1
bGeneralSubtitles=1
fMouseCursorSpeed=1.0000
bShowCompass=1

[Controls]
fGamepadHeadingSensitivity=2.5600
fMouseHeadingSensitivity=0.0125
bAlwaysRunByDefault=1
bInvertYValues=0
bGamePadRumble=1
bMouseAcceleration=1
bUseKinect=0
[Particles]
iMaxDesired=750

[saveGame]
fAutosaveEveryXMins=0

[AudioMenu]
fAudioMasterVolume=1.0000
fVal7=1.0000
uID7=0
fVal6=1.0000
uID6=0
fVal5=1.0000
uID5=0
fVal4=1.0000
uID4=3954
fVal3=1.0000
uID3=94881
fVal2=0.8000
uID2=466532
fVal1=1.0000
uID1=554685
fVal0=1.0000
uID0=1007612

[Clouds]
fCloudLevel2Distance=262144.0000
fCloudLevel1Distance=32768.0000
fCloudLevel0Distance=16384.0000
fCloudNearFadeDistance=9000.0000

[TerrainManager]
fTreeLoadDistance=75000.0000
fBlockMaximumDistance=250000.0000
fBlockLevel1Distance=70000.0000
fBlockLevel0Distance=35000.0000
fSplitDistanceMult=1.5000
bShowLODInEditor=0

[NavMesh]
fObstacleAlpha=0.5000
fCoverSideHighAlpha=0.8000
fCoverSideLowAlpha=0.6500
fEdgeFullAlpha=1.0000
fEdgeHighAlpha=0.7500
fEdgeLowAlpha=0.5000
fTriangleFullAlpha=0.7000
fTriangleHighAlpha=0.3500
fTriangleLowAlpha=0.2000
fLedgeBoxHalfHeight=25.0000
fEdgeDistFromVert=10.0000
fEdgeThickness=10.0000
fPointSize=2.5000
bUseThreadedMeshes=1

[Trees]
bRenderSkinnedTrees=1
uiMaxSkinnedTreesToRender=20
bUseMultiThreadedTrees=1

[Decals]
uMaxDecals=1000
bDecals=1
bSkinnedDecals=1
uMaxSkinDecals=100
uMaxSkinDecalsPerActor=60
bDecalMultithreaded=1

[LOD]
fLODFadeOutMultObjects=15.0000
fLODFadeOutMultItems=15.0000
fLODFadeOutMultActors=15.0000
fLODFadeOutMultSkyCell=1.0000

[Launcher]
bEnableFileSelection=1
bShowAllResolutions=1
uLastAspectRatio=3

[blurShaderHDR]
bDoHighDynamicRange=0

[blurShader]
bUseBlurShader=0

[Water]
iWaterReflectHeight=1024
iWaterReflectWidth=1024
bUseWaterDisplacements=1
bUseWaterRefractions=1
bUseWaterReflections=1
bUseWaterDepth=1
bForceHighDetailReflections=1
bUseWaterReflectionBlur=0
iWaterBlurAmount=0
bUseWaterDisplacements=1
bUseWaterRefractions=1
bUseWaterReflections=1
bUseWaterDepth=1

[backgroundLoad]
bBackgroundLoadLipFiles=1
bLoadBackgroundFaceGen=1
bUseMultiThreadedFaceGen=1
bBackgroundCellLoads=1
bLoadHelmetsInBackground=1
bUseMultiThreadedTrees=1

 

 

I have googled a lot about ini-tweaks and I'm pretty happy with my end performance + visuals but I could imagine the error lies somewhere in there. Help would be immensly appreciated :smile:

[drakshdw]

Try disabling all forms of autosaving.

[Lord Garon]

There's a reason manual saves might work better. Take drakshdw's advice while testing, at least. The only "fix" I know of is this.

 

If you think it might be ini files, just rename your current ones and start the Skyrim Launcher; it will give you vanilla ini's for testing. Of course, your current save games won't load at ugrids=5. Then again, ugrids=7 is not helping your stability. You might try this mod with ugrids=7 and see what happens.

 

I've "heard" that vram can be involved in ILS problems. Setting your texture quality to Low and turning off AA will reduce vram use while you troubleshoot this.

Edited April 22, 2014 by Lord Garon

[zod18]

I'm already playing without auto saves (see SkyrimPrefs.ini), at the moment it's working fine but I can't imagine that this will solve my problem. Thank you for the suggestion, I will try the Cell Stabilizer right now, sounds promising.

[Lord Garon]

There is a potential issue with quick\auto saves and game engine state when they occur. Its the reason a mod exists to perform only full saves. I didn't get ILS, but my game (during mod testing) would freeze using auto or quick saves. Autosave Manager eliminated that. FWIW.

 

Garon's Big 5 stabilty enhancements, in order of effectiveness:

 

1. SSME/SKSE 1.7.0 Alpha/Sheson's memory patch

2. Vanilla ini files (only mod required tweaks)

3. ENBoost

4. Cell Stabilizer (fixes a bug even at ugrids=5)

5. Manual saves only

[zod18]

Played about an hour with manual saves, worked flawless ...but I also didn't die.

 

Then some vampires spawned in Whiterun, I saved right before them, died, and got the infinite loading screen again. I can live with an ILS every hour but I would still rather fix it, there has to be a way ...it seems not to be connected to cell changes so my last guess is that some ini-tweak is causing it but I don't know what to try :/

 

There is a potential issue with quick\auto saves and game engine state when they occur. Its the reason a mod exists to perform only full saves. I didn't get ILS, but my game (during mod testing) would freeze using auto or quick saves. Autosave Manager eliminated that. FWIW.

 

Garon's Big 5 stabilty enhancements, in order of effectiveness:

 

1. SSME/SKSE 1.7.0 Alpha/Sheson's memory patch

2. Vanilla ini files (only mod required tweaks)

3. ENBoost

4. Cell Stabilizer (fixes a bug even at ugrids=5)

5. Manual saves only

 

I'm using option 1, 4 & 5 at the moment. I would like to keep my ini file mostly intact because as I said, visuals and performance are simply perfect. Should I try ENBoost?

Edited April 22, 2014 by zod18

[camaro_69_327]

"" Should I try ENBoost?"".......in a Word.

 

Yes.

[Lord Garon]

...

I'm using option 1, 4 & 5 at the moment. I would like to keep my ini file mostly intact because as I said, visuals and performance are simply perfect. Should I try ENBoost?

 

The ENBSeries author has quite a handle on graphics-related instabilities, and a couple other graphical things. :thumbsup:

 

His software evolved to support, as well as enhance, HD graphics and effects. Although ENBSeries has graphics code fixes that help, in the ENBoost mode you can simply take advantage of his memory and other fixes which contribute to a stable system without impacting graphics or FPS at all. I highly recommend it, even if it was not specifically designed for ILS fixes.

 

BTW, did you try lowering Texture Quality and AA to see if they affected the ILS?

EDIT: Almost forgot... did you remove the wyrmstooth.ini file?

Edited April 23, 2014 by Lord Garon

[zod18]

Ok I'll try out ENBoost once I get home :)

No I didn't delete the wyrmstooth ini file, what does it do? I installed the mod long ago but never got to try it out :S

[Lord Garon]

Ok I'll try out ENBoost once I get home :smile:

No I didn't delete the wyrmstooth ini file, what does it do? I installed the mod long ago but never got to try it out :S

 

If an esp file has a correspondingly named ini file, it will be used to modify your default ini files when the esp loads. The wyrmstooth.ini changes a few default ini settings to "better" accomodate and display the resources used in Wyrmstooth. The changes are not strictly required and I have seen some discussions that a couple of the Wyrmstooth changes can promote, not necessarily cause, an ILS. You can simply rename it to something like wyrmstooth.outi for testing and restore it if nothing changes.

Edited April 23, 2014 by Lord Garon