jdkzombie Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 I just noticed this after playing in windowed mode recently, I can play all day in windowed mode and the game has never run better, not a hiccup, not a freeze, not a drop in frames, exit and switch to fullscreen same resolution 1920x1080, and within moments, especially during a loading screen, BAM...game freezes and you have to ctrl/alt/del to end process. Seriously? I guarantee you it's not computer specs. AMD FX-6300 Liquid cooled OC to 4.1GhzR9 280x Sapphire stock clock ( also does this with my crossfired 270x cards installed too)16Gb Ram G skill ripjaw 16001 Tb velociraptor 10k hdd850w power supplygigabyte 970a-d3p mobo Any one else have this issue? I'd be interested in hearing any possible causes of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdkzombie Posted July 24, 2014 Author Share Posted July 24, 2014 man, this place sucks when you need to find answers to issues.... :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Garon Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Man, so many posters ignore the How to Ask For Help pinned thread... :sad: Typically, full screen mode vs windowed issues are caused by other running programs trying to get your attention; chat programs, anti-virus, Steam being on-line, some GPU/CPU/FPS monitors, etc. Try backing off on concurrently running software and see if it changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdkzombie Posted July 24, 2014 Author Share Posted July 24, 2014 Hmm, since this isn't your typical "skyrim CTD's because of this thing I do" I wasn't sure where to ask this. I run webroot, which has never bothered fullscreen gaming before, and the only notable fps thing I have is FRAPs, which I literally just downloaded this morning, and it still does it. I don't have chat programs, unless steam counts as one, and I havve no clue how to make steam offline mode. I used to play skyrim off a disc set I purchased from Amazon, but when I needed to do a clean install after my last HDD toasted itself, I couldn't find the disc, so I bought it off Steam, and since then, fullscreen does not like me on skyrim, but windowed mode works fantastically. Game is located via C:\\Programfiles(x86)\Steam\Steamapps\Common\SkyrimSKSE is the current betaI use NMMGame version is whatever is current, same with unofficial patches for all dlc's. Load order Skyrim.esm ActiveUpdate.esm ActiveBash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}Contains dirty edits: 92 ITM, 3 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp Version 2.0.5 ActiveBash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}Dawnguard.esm ActiveContains dirty edits: 619 ITM, 82 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp Version 2.0.5 ActiveBash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}HearthFires.esm ActiveContains dirty edits: 184 ITM, 11 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp Version 2.0.4 ActiveDragonborn.esm ActiveContains dirty edits: 61 ITM, 8 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp Version 2.0.4a ActiveBash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev}}Falskaar.esm Version 1.1.4 ActiveApachiiHair.esm Version 1.4 ActiveRaceCompatibility.esm ActiveClimatesOfTamriel.esm Version 3.1 ActiveDual Wield for Followers.esm ActivehdtHighHeel.esm ActiveJSwords.esm Version 1.4 ActiveSPERG.esm ActiveSummerWear.esm ActiveRaceCompatibilityUSKPOverride.esp ActiveChesko_Frostfall.esp ActiveExpanded Skyrim Weather.esp ActiveClimatesOfTamriel-Sound.esp Version 3.1 ActiveImmersive Sounds - Weaponry.esp ActiveFantasySoundtrackProject.esp ActiveDead Body Collision.esp ActiveDSpSoB.esp ActiveContains dirty edits: 2 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.Note: Make sure you use Dawnguard version.Dual Sheath Redux.esp ActiveRequires: Java Runtime Environment 7 update 17+Extra Encounters - HSR.esp ActiveLost Art of the Blacksmith.esp ActiveProject Ultimatum.esp ActiveSeXyLoading_by_Ganga.esp ActiveSkyrim Immersive Creatures.esp Version v6.5.1 ActiveBash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}WetandCold.esp Version 1.321 ActiveIMAGINATOR - Visual Control for Skyrim.esp ActiveContains dirty edits: 26 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.JSwords_Load_Screens.esp Version 1.4 ActiveRaceMenu.esp ActiveRaceMenuPlugin.esp ActiveNote: RaceMenuPlugin is optional and provides support to alter Height, Breast, Glute and Biceps. If you experience issues with it, disable RaceMenuPlugin.esp and inform the author.towConversation.esp ActiveSkyUI.esp Version 4.1 ActiveIMAGINATOR - MCMenu.esp ActiveBlitzConsoleCommandsMCM.esp ActiveBlackWisteria.esp ActiveCloaks.esp ActiveContains dirty edits: 2 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.ConanSwords.esp ActiveDaedric Extra Armor.esp ActiveDiamondWeaponsN.esp ActiveDovahkiin Mercenary Armor and Weapons CBBE.esp ActiveDread Knight Weapon Set.esp ActiveElewin Jewelry.esp ActiveEternalShineArmorAndWeapons.esp ActiveFrostmourne.esp ActiveFS_UltimateAssortment.esp ActiveGhosu - Weapon Pack 1.esp Version 1.8 ActiveHothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp ActiveHothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp Version 7.1 ActiveBash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}Immersive Weapons.esp ActiveBash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}ISD_DragonspearCraft.esp ActiveisilNarsil.esp ActiveContains dirty edits: 17 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.JSwordsDistributionBalancePlugin.esp Version 1.4 ActiveBash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}Lady of Death.esp ActiveRequires: CBBELayerBikini.esp ActiveLeftHandRings.esp Version 1.4 ActiveLeftHandRings - Dawnguard.esp Version 1.4 ActiveLich King's Armor.esp ActiveLongbows.esp ActiveBash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}LongbowsIWpatch.esp ActiveLongbowsDG.esp ActiveLongbowsDB.esp ActiveLongbowFS.esp ActiveLore Weapon Expansion.esp Version 1.3 ActiveBash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}Neo's Devilmaid2.esp ActiveNorthgirl.esp ActiveSilverOfTheDragonblood_1h&2h.esp ActiveSovngarde Steel Armor and Weapons.esp ActiveUnique Uniques.esp Version 1.6 ActiveLongbowsDreadPatch.esp ActiveSummerWearSA.esp ActiveContains dirty edits: 24 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.Run For Your Lives.esp Version 1.2.4 ActiveCleanArrowPlayer.esp ActiveRealisticHumanoidMovementSpeed.esp ActiveRebirth Monster.esp ActiveBash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}Reduced Early Perk Skill Reqs.esp ActiveTorchRadius.esp Activetrulyundead.esp Activeuniqueweaponenchantments.esp ActiveClimatesOfTamriel-Dungeons-Hazardous.esp Version 3.1- ActiveIncompatible with: Realistic Lighting OverhaulClimatesOfTamriel-Nights-Level-1.esp Version 3.1 ActiveSupreme Storms - Cot Version.esp ActiveRealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp ActiveBash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}RND_Dawnguard-Patch.esp ActiveRND_HearthFires-Patch.esp ActiveRND_Dragonborn-Patch.esp ActiveRND_USKP-Patch.esp ActiveBash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Relev}}Magicka Revamp - Destruction - Scaled Spells - WIP.esp ActiveImproved Dragon Shouts.esp ActiveImproved Dragon Shouts - Dawnguard.esp ActiveImproved Dragon Shouts - Dragonborn.esp ActiveFNISspells.esp ActiveDuel - Combat Realism.esp ActiveAdvancedKillMoves.esp ActiveRequires: "http//skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/21226 AdvancedKillMoves_English_2-0b_Dawnguard"75% Skill Speed.esp150% Skill Speed.esp50% Skill Speed.espLongbowsPerks.esp ActiveSPERG.esp ActiveSPERG-DG.esp ActiveSPERG-DB.esp ActiveSPERG Weapon Styles.esp ActiveLayDown.esp ActiveLycHairstyler.esp ActiveThe Ningheim.esp ActiveTemptressVixen.esp ActiveEMCompViljaSkyrim.esp ActiveEMViljaInSolstheimAddOn.esp ActiveUFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp Version 1.2j ActiveNote: For safe install need dismiss all your followers, save, delete all included mods, load again, save and install UFO. For safe uninstall or update see special instructions on mod page.My Home Is Your Home.esp Version 1.21 ActiveContains dirty edits: 3 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.Aela.esp ActiveBijin Warmaidens.esp ActiveDanarielStormbow.esp ActiveFjolfrFollower.esp ActiveRusselFollower.espThromaireFollower.esp ActiveRaccanFollower.espRa'ZorFollower.espOkanRuFollower.espMorthanaFollower.esp ActiveJoRakhaFollower.espHuskerFollower.espSantanaFollower.espZarjiFollower.esp ActiveNakum'aFollower.espEirukiFollower.espBagamuFollower.espDoRakFollower.espMarriable Serana.esp Version 1.6.2 ActiveMarriable Serana HF.esp Version 1.6.2 ActiveBVFE_Serana.esp ActiveThe Ningheim - Followers.esp ActiveFollowerWander2.esp ActiveNote: UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp has the same functional, but you can use FollowerWander2.esp on your choice.FollowerWander2Serana.esp ActivemoveitLWT.espAmazingFollowerTweaks.esp ActiveAlternate Start - Live Another Life.esp Version 2.3.4 ActivePurewaters.esp Version 4.6 ActiveRND_PureWaters-Patch.esp ActiveGreenWaterFix_v2withDawnguard.esp ActiveBashed Patch, 0.esp Version 7/21/2014 1:12:03 PM ActiveAutomatic Variants.esp ActiveDual Sheath Redux Patch.esp Active unrecognised daymoyl.esm ActiveCL Gorehowl 2handed.esp Version 3.0 ActiveAncientTonguesGreatSword.esp ActiveTrueBrows.esp ActiveBBD_CatsuitSpearhead.esp ActiveConsistent Carry Weight.esp Version 30.AncientTonguesSword.esp ActiveFNISSexyMove.esp ActiveWarmongerArmory_Vanilla.esp ActiveReal Roads.esp ActiveElementalArrows.esp Activebetter-criticals-Dragonborn.esp ActiveLogicalHealthLimit_Full.esp ActiveLogicalHealthLimits_HealthOffsetOnly.esp ActiveTrueEyes.esp ActiveTrueEyesNingheimPatch.esp ActiveDragonstead.esp ActiveDeadly Archery.esp Version 1 ActiveSkyrim Enhanced Physics - Force and Projectiles.esp ActiveLrsamwaysExpandedSkyrimWeaponry.esp ActiveMarriage without Amulet.esp ActiveSofiaFollower.esp ActiveZipsuit.esp Active skse SKSE Version: 0.1.7.0hdtHighHeelNative.dllhdtPhysicsExtensions.dllMemoryBlocksLog.dll Version: 0.1.2.0nioverride.dllSKSE_Elys_Uncapper.dll Version: 1.15.2.0towConversation.dll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted5770650User Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Have you tried update your video card driver, and directx? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Garon Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 As a test, fire up Steam and on the top menu; Steam-->Settings-->In-game-->Uncheck "Enable Steam Community In Game"-->Okay That is where you can also place Steam Offline; Steam-->Go Offline The problem I'm talking about happens in Skyrim fullscreen mode when the system tries to notify or update you on something happening. If the system gives a pop-up or window the focus, fullscreen can lock up/freeze. In windowed mode, the system can deal with screen notifications, etc, much easier. Skyrim also doesn't play well with Alt-tabbing from fullscreen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdkzombie Posted July 25, 2014 Author Share Posted July 25, 2014 I just upgraded to the R9 280x so I just made sure all drivers were correct and current. I rarely alt tab out of games, so I don't think it's that, in fact windowed mode is kinda neat in that I don't have to do that. I could not find Enable Steam Community in game, but I did uncheck enable steam overlay while in game, via steam, settings, in game option. It's weird, it's not like it does it immediately, or all the time, but to further clarify, when in windowed mode, and I go through a door or travel, and get one of those long loading screens where in fullscreen, the game usually just stops responding and you have to ctrl/alt/del to end process and restart the exe, whereas in windowed mode, the mouse cursor turns into the spinning busy mouse icon, and the top window says Skyrim (not responding) but seconds later the game loads like nothing has happened. It does not do this in fullscreen, once it stops, it's dead and has to be restarted.Sometimes. Actually all the time, I really wish they had simply released a 64 bit version of skyrim. Who knows how many stuff could be solved by getting away from the 32 bit LAA version. I'd love to throw all my 16Gb of Ram at it and say...load the whole damn thing into memory.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Garon Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 (edited) Okay, your full screen scenario describes an Infinite Loading Screen (ILS), not a "freeze", per se. (There is a difference. :blush: ) There's a few other things we might look at for an ILS (but I've never seen windowed/full screen differences for an ILS). Before you exit somewhere, open the console (~ key), type in: pcb , hit Enter, close the console, and then exit. See if that changes the ILS at all. How much VRAM is on your video card? Full vram can aggravate ILS problems. You could try lower texture qualities and/or turn off AA to see if it affects your ILS. Do you have an ENB running? If so, have you changed any enblocal.ini settings? Do you have the default entries in skse.ini file for enabling Sheson's mempatch? Have you cleaned your mods with TES5edit? Have you changed the uGridsToLoad ini setting to more than 5? The mod Stable uGrids to Load checks for a few things which may cause an ILS and might help even with default ini files. Optional - If a loading game asset is causing the ILS, Safety Load might tell us. Safety Load was created before Sheson's patch (contained in your SKSE 1.7.0) actually fixed the memory bug. In short, Safety Load will cause a CTD instead of an ILS if certain loading problems are detected. Just for info gathering, you might install Safety Load and see if the game CTD's instead ILS's. That could tell us if some object being loaded is the problem. Edited July 25, 2014 by Lord Garon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdkzombie Posted July 26, 2014 Author Share Posted July 26, 2014 My ugrids is at 7 and cell buffer 64, my video card has 3 Gb of VRAM, and if need be I have a second card in Crossfire to use if that is ever taxed. No ENB's. For Sheson's patch that is incorporated into the recent SKSE, i have inital memory at 768, and the second heap at 512. I usually don't clean mods that tell me in their desription that they are not to be cleaned, otherwise, everything is backed up to a separate HDD, and cleaned. Like I said, in fullscreen, sometimes it plays fine, and then it will lock up on loading screen, but in windowed mode of the same resolution of 1920x1080p, it runs beautifully at 60 fps determined by FRAP's on Ultra settings. On fullscreen, the game never bogs down, or hiccups, it just outright goes "hrrrrnt" and stops responding altogether, sometimes loading screens, ocassionally when I would try to use the forge in my house, it would lock up when the camera pans around. It did it pretty bag on my 2gb VRAM R9 270x card when I ran it in crossfire with another 270x. I think what may have happened with that, is that crossfire still sucks and was constantly parking, and bringing the second GPU online all the time, which caused stuttering a lot and other crap. When I would disable crossfire and run a single card, or run windowed because crossfire doesn't enable in windowed mode, the game runs fine. Crazy game is crazy. Drives me nuts most of the time, but I keep coming back....all the glorious mods.......I can never play console, or vanilla skyrim again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Garon Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 (edited) The benefit of mods to you is also their bane to Skyrim; too many and there WILL be problems. Obviously, I'm not familiar with every mod out there and can't really comment on particular load orders. I will say this: Higher uGrids contributes to instability. Period. It may not CAUSE an issue, but it will never help. In fact, MOST ini "tweaks" contribute to instability in one way or another. After two and a half years of trying every tweak you can imagine, I now use default ini files with only a couple "fixes" (projectile distance, ENB requirements, grass). The majority of mod load problems are due to "conflicts"; one mod doing the same thing as another. THE most general and obvious way to minimize conflicts is to reduce or eliminate mods which do the same thing. For instance; UFO, AFT, FollowerWander (has a warning.) You have 3 Skill Speed esp's. Multiple Perk mods. Advanced Killmoves has a warning that does not seem to have been heeded. And a bunch of script intensive mods. Expanded Weather SAYS it's not compatible with CoT. To get a reliable game going, I would: 1. Install enbseries .254. Run it in ENBoost mode (memory fixes only: no graphics, no FPS hits). Along with SKSE mempatch, it is mandatory for heavy mod loads. 2. Revert to a vanilla install. Don't touch your ini files. Pick your 20 favorite mods, read the entire mod description page for compatibility/requirement issues. Get them working. Build from there. 3. If you want "extras" for a particular kind of mod (CoT, Enhanced Weather), pick ONE and find out what the mod author recommends for that mod. 4. Learn to detect and resolve conflicts with TES5edit. IMHO, a necessary skill for intense modding. Not what you want to hear, but your current setup and load order will NEVER be stable and it has nothing to do with your hardware. We cannot force Skyrim to do what we want; we can barely get it to do what we need. Edited July 27, 2014 by Lord Garon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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