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[monganfinn]

I believe it to be logical that the Thalmor will need to destroy the stones as they need a way to unravel Mundus besides being eaten by Alduin - though that lizzard doesn´t look as if able to anyway -

Far more important is if the unraveling of mundus through the destruction of the towers would truly spawn a new calpa or simply forever integrate Mundus into Oblivion as Sithis wants?

Or is Mundus caught in a time loop restarting with the convention, that would explain why the rest of Aurbis has a different time concept as Mundus, even though the original Akatosh already introduced linear time long before the creation of mundus?

The possibility to see and enter the different calpas from outside Mundus may also explain the behaviour of the aedra and CHIMs, it is also questionable if for them something as a last calpa exists anyway as all the calpa are always accessible to them.

I believe its for them as if you have x video screens before you and they simply take action to extent the calpa which brought the best results until know, through we don´t really know how the other calpa went anyway.

While it is certainly true that CHIM has limits, the Thalmor as they are now are heading towards their own destruction and are taking everyone with them, thus it would fullfil the mercyfull and loving aspect of CHIM if someone stops them, perhaps not through might but persuasion? a different approach?

[LeddBate]

Ooooh. Now that's an interesting thought. If the Aedra and the CHIMs can see/enter all calpas because they all exist to them simultaneously, this might go a long way towards explaining why this cycle is being meddled with so much.

 

Put another way: All "previous" cycles have been alphas. This cycle is a beta (that keeps getting tweaked) and if it flies, it goes gold.

 

(TRON facepalm)

[hpktuohpfly]

I don't think that the Thalmor are to be trusted.

[monganfinn]

Oh, I think you can trust them to be jackassess though, among some other things.

[Urtel]

This seems wierd to me. If Thalmor was going to capture all of the towers, why they invaded Hammerfell, and not just went straight for Adamantine rocket-thingie. In the "Great war" its said they didnt want to take imperial city aswell, things just turned really good for them. Thalmor also doesnt seem to care about Throat of the world. On the other hand, what can be a core of Kyne's mountain? I think its a time wound. You may argue that it became a thing long after creation, but its defenetly not a circumstance, that Alduin was banished there. I dont believe that ancient tongues figured that plan all by themselves. Since it was told in the scrolls, that means the place was special since creation. At least thats what i figure.

[Lachdonin]

This seems wierd to me. If Thalmor was going to capture all of the towers, why they invaded Hammerfell, and not just went straight for Adamantine rocket-thingie. In the "Great war" its said they didnt want to take imperial city aswell, things just turned really good for them. Thalmor also doesnt seem to care about Throat of the world. On the other hand, what can be a core of Kyne's mountain? I think its a time wound. You may argue that it became a thing long after creation, but its defenetly not a circumstance, that Alduin was banished there. I dont believe that ancient tongues figured that plan all by themselves. Since it was told in the scrolls, that means the place was special since creation. At least thats what i figure.

 

Kirkbride refers to it as 'The Cave', referencing the cave where Shor spoke to Shor in Shor, Son of Shor. At the same time, said Cave is generally regarded as more of a metaphsyical concept than an actual location, which would make the Snow-Tower the only known Aldmeri Tower which had a concept for a Stone, rather than a physical object...

 

The Thalmor do control the Admantium Tower though, and have the whole time. The Wardens of Balifrey Island have always been High Elves, even though it's in High Rock, and there is a tool-tip in Skyrim which indicates a campaign of ethnic cleansing on the island.

 

Again though, there is no indication that the Thalmor are targeting Towers, aside from Adamantium (since it's the only one that matters). There are no Thalmor agents around Snow-Throat, capturing Cyrodiil was basically an after thought... The only towers we know of that have been destroyed or deactivated happened BEFORE the Thalmor rose to power, and they've made no deliberate moves against the remaining ones. 

[monganfinn]

Then how do they want to unravel Nirn, simply weakening or even killing Talos shouldn´t achieve that?

And we don´t even know for sure if the tower in the imperial capital was reactivated after the Oblivion Crisis.

[Lachdonin]

Well, only Red and Adamantia are really part of creation. The other towers were built by the Aldmer and their descendants as ways of SHAPING creation, but don't seem to be an integral part of keeping it going. 

 

Red-Tower was deactivated when the Nerevarine destroyed/displaced the Heart of Lorkhan.

 

Adamantia-Tower can't be physically destroyed, and it's Stone is inaccessible because of Talos. 

 

Thus, to deactivate Adamantia, the Thalmor need to destroy Talos, and are trying to do that be eradicating his worship, operating on the belief (incorrectly) that he is affected by the same forces as the Aedra. 

[Urtel]

Oh, the Cave. I forgot about it. Shouldn't that be also a gate to Sovngard, then, or Sovngard itself? And we know where that place is, and that living creatures can enter it. Hmm... What happens to oversoul when its destroyed? Unlike Aedra, Talos is not a single entity. I dont think that when people stop worshipping him, he will instantly disappear, it should be like fading of sort. And i doubt Talos will just sit there and wait to fade into void.

[Lachdonin]

Oh, the Cave. I forgot about it. Shouldn't that be also a gate to Sovngard, then, or Sovngard itself? And we know where that place is, and that living creatures can enter it. Hmm... What happens to oversoul when its destroyed? Unlike Aedra, Talos is not a single entity. I dont think that when people stop worshipping him, he will instantly disappear, it should be like fading of sort. And i doubt Talos will just sit there and wait to fade into void.

 

Well, Talos is also CHIM'd, which makes him far, far above petty things like worship and mythopic forces. They need to destroy the Imposipoint of Convention, but to do so they need to destroy Talos first. But they can't destroy Talos, regardless of what they try (the Thalmor don't understand CHIM) so they are doomed to failure.