BangaaDragoon Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 (edited) Alright, so explaining my problem might take a bit of reading. So, I thank you for doing so in advance. First, I started playing Skyrim on a console when it first came out. Since then, I've gotten a computer that can handle Skyrim quite nicely. It's a Windows 7 Home Premium, with the manufacturer being CyberPowerPC. Rest of the Specs Processor: Intel® Core i7-4810MQ CPU @ 2.80Hz 2.80 GHz RAM: 16G System Type: 64-bit Operating System Graphics Card: Nvidia GeForce GTX 770M (Driver Version being 340.52) So, naturally I wanted to get my save over to my PC. In short, I did just that with no problems. I then discovered mods, and soon began installing them by the boat load. Now, I only have like 99 or so. So, it isn't as much as some people, but you get the jist. Eventually, I killed my save because the game CTD when I tried to save, even with vanilla. I looked up solutions, and basically I learned that I had to re-install Skyrim completely. Again, I did just that, with no problems. Lucky for me, I copied my save from the Xbox, so it was still there for me to transfer over to the PC once again. So, now we're at today. I started up the save file after re-installing all of the mods i previously had. I then got Immersive Armors and Weapons. I then decided to start up Helgen Reborn again. This involved traveling to Whiterun, and then going to Falkreath. This is where my problem is. After traveling through Riverwood, I keep going down the road, and then I crash. The same spot, every time. However this doesn't mean that the CTD isn't random, because before that I CTD twice on my way to Riverwood. What's different is that I can't get past this one just by reloading the save, or configuring the skyrimprefs.ini or anything to that effect. My LOOT Log file is attached. Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated. I love giving Skyrim the benefit of the doubt when it comes to fixing these things, and I still would love to play the game, but because of these CTDs, I might have to stop. SummaryDetailsFiltersThe LOOT Report requires Javascript to be enabled in order to function.Skyrim.esmCRC: C665FD56Update.esmCRC: 1FDAB215Delev, RelevUnofficial Skyrim Patch.espCRC: 99DF914CVersion: 2.0.6Delev, Names, Relev, StatsDawnguard.esmCRC: 7A481404Delev, RelevUnofficial Dawnguard Patch.espCRC: 4A0B0E35Version: 2.0.6Delev, Names, Relev, StatsHearthFires.esmCRC: F4DDC851Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.espCRC: 902A972AVersion: 2.0.6NamesDragonborn.esmCRC: A46CA360Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.espCRC: C4C4478CVersion: 2.0.6Delev, Names, StatsSkyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esmCRC: FE33A011ClimatesOfTamriel.esmCRC: 918881A7Version: 3.1WetandCold.espCRC: BEAB0A2FVersion: 1.422SkyXP.espCRC: CF31327ESkyUI.espCRC: 9330CAF7Version: 4.1Dual Sheath Redux.espCRC: 10FAFEDDNote: Requires: Java Runtime Environment 7 update 17+BWS.espCRC: D596F02Ahyrule castle1.1.espCRC: C3B6793CClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.espCRC: 6DEDE258Version: 3.1argonianmercarmor.espCRC: C34DF249ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.espCRC: 9FFF2A85Version: 3.1WetandCold - Ashes.espCRC: 1510365EVersion: 1.09BFSEffects.espCRC: 543D56D4Version: 3.6ClimatesOfTamriel-Sound.espCRC: 75A1B6EAVersion: 3.1ClimatesOfTamriel-Sound-Dawnguard-Patch.espCRC: DA95740EHothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.espCRC: 9229A0B4Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Interiors.espCRC: 35F9C306FireAndIceOverhaul.espCRC: 28252B44iHUD.espCRC: 6098B756FSS-No pause between lines.espCRC: 8135F074ImmersiveFP.espCRC: AA264FCDSupreme Fog - CoT.espCRC: 188ADAEChesko_LoreBasedLoadingScreens.espCRC: 3A253C5DImproved Combat Sounds v2.2.espCRC: 7409094BLocational Damage.espCRC: E9EA2185abotFiresHurt.espCRC: 585F2F21Version: 1.09Realistic Running Speed.espCRC: 72CC67DARealisticRoomRental.espCRC: F2A80AE6hyrule castle1.0.espCRC: 7601460ADovahkiin prayer.espCRC: FB4E8EFBScenicCarriages.espCRC: 882DD059SkyRe_Main.espCRC: 37F846FDDelev, RelevNote: If lockpicking is not work then try to delete 'interface\lockpickingmenu.swf'.Note: If you have a problem with aiming try to install this mod.Note: To make aiming easier add the following lines to Skyrim.ini:Note: [Actor]Note: fVisibleNavmeshMoveDist=12288.0000Note: [Combat]Note: f1PArrowTiltUpAngle=0.64Note: f3PArrowTiltUpAngle=0.64Note: fMagnetismStrafeHeadingMult=0.0Note: fMagnetismLookingMult=0.0argonianraptor.espCRC: 9CA2BCF1Clanking Armor.espCRC: DD039D673DNPC.espCRC: 47E0D3CAVersion: 3.06.9FCO - Follower Commentary Overhaul.espCRC: EBD99340JemWM.espCRC: D2370833Helgen Reborn.espCRC: 91F56C13Version: 105.3Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dungeons.espCRC: BE688F60Version: 4.0.7Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dawnguard Interiors.espCRC: 95CC39A1Version: 4.0.7Note: The order of 'Major City Interiors.esp' and 'Dawnguard Interiors.esp' is interchangeable. Here is a note from RLO author, Daemonui, about the differences you will see.Guard Dialogue Overhaul.espCRC: AFACD2E9Note: Do not clean. "Dirty" edits are intentional and required for the mod to function.ADS.espCRC: 73426A08Immersive Weapons.espCRC: E41D31DDelev, RelevDaggerSounds4Daggers-dawnguard.espCRC: 68919791SkyRe_EnemyScaling.espCRC: 65F8F450RelevRealistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Exteriors.espCRC: BAEE8C7EBirdsofskyrim.espCRC: 37A5E020skyBirds - Airborne Perching Birds.espCRC: B2D5D61AVersion: 0.93RealisticNeedsandDiseases.espCRC: B74B21DADelev, RelevRND_USKP-Patch.espCRC: FE81BA78RelevSkyRe_EncounterZones.espCRC: D0C666A8Waves.espCRC: 1BB40087Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.espCRC: 2A9F7DEDVersion: 7.1[object Object], [object Object]SkyRe_Survivalism.espCRC: 92CF529FSmoking Torches.espCRC: E3B82F91Version: 1.31SplashofRain.espCRC: 8906ABBCVersion: 1.051Waterbreathing Breathless Emerge.espCRC: 563D4A7BTTYM - Think to Yourself Messages.espCRC: AAEE23BFUFO - Dragonborn AddOn.espCRC: 819B9DE8UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.espCRC: 4CEB4A5BVersion: 1.2iNote: For safe install need dismiss all your followers, save, delete all included mods, load again, save and install UFO. For safe uninstall or update see special instructions on mod page.nicer-looking argonians.espCRC: D819FC72nicershahvee.espCRC: D819FC72SMIM-Merged-All.espCRC: 46D0D2C0Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Minor Cities and Town Interiors.espCRC: 984EE262Version: 4.0.7aRRR_3DNPC-Patch.espCRC: BDB38E3FImmersive Patrols II.espCRC: 9A64E3F9Purewaters.espCRC: 193690EEVersion: 4.6RND_PureWaters-Patch.espCRC: 5CE7FD7ARND_Dawnguard-Patch.espCRC: A554A56DRND_Dragonborn-Patch.espCRC: 72A698CBSkyRe_StandingStones.espCRC: 196309D3Chesko_Frostfall.espCRC: E3704311TTYM - Frostfall Module.espCRC: 2FE4AE68RND_HearthFires-Patch.espCRC: E3E62E4SkyRe_Races.espCRC: D6CF6BEERND_AnimalLoot.espCRC: FE916A6ESkyRe_EnemyAI.espCRC: 3F9BD9DDragonCombatOverhaulDragonborn.espCRC: 143CDB7dD-No Spinning Death Animation.espCRC: BD9E96A1Gifts Of The Outsider.espCRC: 6F09A220Brevi_MoonlightTales.espCRC: 4286A111portal2mod.espCRC: 6FE81988SkyRe_Combat.espCRC: 8CBB3E24dovahkiinrelax.espCRC: CCD13DDUFO - Heartfire AddOn.espCRC: D34DD9ECEpic Male Argonian Shouting.espCRC: D596F02AUFO - Dawnguard AddOn.espCRC: 6F9D1F37vImmersiveBeds.espCRC: 1162FF74Version: 1.01Open Cities Skyrim.espCRC: 7573F07EVersion: 1.0.9Alternate Start - Live Another Life.espCRC: A398D40DVersion: 2.5.1aReProccer.espCRC: 73F851F3Version Information LOOT Version 0.6.0 Masterlist Updating Enabled Masterlist Revision 17b834c0e Masterlist Date 2014-08-28Plugin & Message Counts Active Plugins 100 Dirty Plugins 0 Total Plugins 100 Warnings 0 Errors 0 Total Messages 16General MessagesNote: Latest LOOT thread.Note: Your SKSE is up-to-date.Hide Version NumbersHide CRCsHide Bash Tag SuggestionsHide NotesHide 'Do Not Clean' MessagesHide Inactive Plugin MessagesHide All Plugin MessagesHide Messageless PluginsPlugins hidden: 0 / 100Messages hidden: 0 / 16 Edited August 30, 2014 by BangaaDragoon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camaro_69_327 Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Have you even tried a new Game? That save could be the issue, it could be the Mods. Have you tried LOOT , to sort your load order. As BOSS is getting no more updates and LOOT sorts better. Post the LOOT log in Spoiler tags. (not as a download) most wont download random files off the internet. Asking for help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangaaDragoon Posted August 30, 2014 Author Share Posted August 30, 2014 (edited) I have tried starting a new game, but because the game CTD after I used Alt-Tab, I stopped playing for the day (since it was the sixth time it's happened). Before I made this thread, I did read up on the Asking for help thread, but my apologies for forgetting the detail. I have used both BOSS and LOOT when organizing mods, and both give me no errors when I use them. So, I do not believe that it's because of mod conflicts that this is happening. I will be trying a new game later today, but I would like to find a way to save my well... save. SummaryDetailsFiltersThe LOOT Report requires Javascript to be enabled in order to function.Skyrim.esmCRC: C665FD56Update.esmCRC: 1FDAB215Delev, RelevUnofficial Skyrim Patch.espCRC: 99DF914CVersion: 2.0.6Delev, Names, Relev, StatsDawnguard.esmCRC: 7A481404Delev, RelevUnofficial Dawnguard Patch.espCRC: 4A0B0E35Version: 2.0.6Delev, Names, Relev, StatsHearthFires.esmCRC: F4DDC851Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.espCRC: 902A972AVersion: 2.0.6NamesDragonborn.esmCRC: A46CA360Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.espCRC: C4C4478CVersion: 2.0.6Delev, Names, StatsSkyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esmCRC: FE33A011ClimatesOfTamriel.esmCRC: 918881A7Version: 3.1WetandCold.espCRC: BEAB0A2FVersion: 1.422SkyXP.espCRC: CF31327ESkyUI.espCRC: 9330CAF7Version: 4.1Dual Sheath Redux.espCRC: 10FAFEDDNote: Requires: Java Runtime Environment 7 update 17+BWS.espCRC: D596F02Ahyrule castle1.1.espCRC: C3B6793CClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.espCRC: 6DEDE258Version: 3.1argonianmercarmor.espCRC: C34DF249ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.espCRC: 9FFF2A85Version: 3.1WetandCold - Ashes.espCRC: 1510365EVersion: 1.09BFSEffects.espCRC: 543D56D4Version: 3.6ClimatesOfTamriel-Sound.espCRC: 75A1B6EAVersion: 3.1ClimatesOfTamriel-Sound-Dawnguard-Patch.espCRC: DA95740EHothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.espCRC: 9229A0B4Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Interiors.espCRC: 35F9C306FireAndIceOverhaul.espCRC: 28252B44iHUD.espCRC: 6098B756FSS-No pause between lines.espCRC: 8135F074ImmersiveFP.espCRC: AA264FCDSupreme Fog - CoT.espCRC: 188ADAEChesko_LoreBasedLoadingScreens.espCRC: 3A253C5DImproved Combat Sounds v2.2.espCRC: 7409094BLocational Damage.espCRC: E9EA2185abotFiresHurt.espCRC: 585F2F21Version: 1.09Realistic Running Speed.espCRC: 72CC67DARealisticRoomRental.espCRC: F2A80AE6hyrule castle1.0.espCRC: 7601460ADovahkiin prayer.espCRC: FB4E8EFBScenicCarriages.espCRC: 882DD059SkyRe_Main.espCRC: 37F846FDDelev, RelevNote: If lockpicking is not work then try to delete 'interface\lockpickingmenu.swf'.Note: If you have a problem with aiming try to install this mod.Note: To make aiming easier add the following lines to Skyrim.ini:Note: [Actor]Note: fVisibleNavmeshMoveDist=12288.0000Note: [Combat]Note: f1PArrowTiltUpAngle=0.64Note: f3PArrowTiltUpAngle=0.64Note: fMagnetismStrafeHeadingMult=0.0Note: fMagnetismLookingMult=0.0argonianraptor.espCRC: 9CA2BCF1Clanking Armor.espCRC: DD039D673DNPC.espCRC: 47E0D3CAVersion: 3.06.9FCO - Follower Commentary Overhaul.espCRC: EBD99340JemWM.espCRC: D2370833Helgen Reborn.espCRC: 91F56C13Version: 105.3Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dungeons.espCRC: BE688F60Version: 4.0.7Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dawnguard Interiors.espCRC: 95CC39A1Version: 4.0.7Note: The order of 'Major City Interiors.esp' and 'Dawnguard Interiors.esp' is interchangeable. Here is a note from RLO author, Daemonui, about the differences you will see.Guard Dialogue Overhaul.espCRC: AFACD2E9Note: Do not clean. "Dirty" edits are intentional and required for the mod to function.ADS.espCRC: 73426A08Immersive Weapons.espCRC: E41D31DDelev, RelevDaggerSounds4Daggers-dawnguard.espCRC: 68919791SkyRe_EnemyScaling.espCRC: 65F8F450RelevRealistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Exteriors.espCRC: BAEE8C7EBirdsofskyrim.espCRC: 37A5E020skyBirds - Airborne Perching Birds.espCRC: B2D5D61AVersion: 0.93RealisticNeedsandDiseases.espCRC: B74B21DADelev, RelevRND_USKP-Patch.espCRC: FE81BA78RelevSkyRe_EncounterZones.espCRC: D0C666A8Waves.espCRC: 1BB40087Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.espCRC: 2A9F7DEDVersion: 7.1[object Object], [object Object]SkyRe_Survivalism.espCRC: 92CF529FSmoking Torches.espCRC: E3B82F91Version: 1.31SplashofRain.espCRC: 8906ABBCVersion: 1.051Waterbreathing Breathless Emerge.espCRC: 563D4A7BTTYM - Think to Yourself Messages.espCRC: AAEE23BFUFO - Dragonborn AddOn.espCRC: 819B9DE8UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.espCRC: 4CEB4A5BVersion: 1.2iNote: For safe install need dismiss all your followers, save, delete all included mods, load again, save and install UFO. For safe uninstall or update see special instructions on mod page.nicer-looking argonians.espCRC: D819FC72nicershahvee.espCRC: D819FC72SMIM-Merged-All.espCRC: 46D0D2C0Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Minor Cities and Town Interiors.espCRC: 984EE262Version: 4.0.7aRRR_3DNPC-Patch.espCRC: BDB38E3FImmersive Patrols II.espCRC: 9A64E3F9Purewaters.espCRC: 193690EEVersion: 4.6RND_PureWaters-Patch.espCRC: 5CE7FD7ARND_Dawnguard-Patch.espCRC: A554A56DRND_Dragonborn-Patch.espCRC: 72A698CBSkyRe_StandingStones.espCRC: 196309D3Chesko_Frostfall.espCRC: E3704311TTYM - Frostfall Module.espCRC: 2FE4AE68RND_HearthFires-Patch.espCRC: E3E62E4SkyRe_Races.espCRC: D6CF6BEERND_AnimalLoot.espCRC: FE916A6ESkyRe_EnemyAI.espCRC: 3F9BD9DDragonCombatOverhaulDragonborn.espCRC: 143CDB7dD-No Spinning Death Animation.espCRC: BD9E96A1Gifts Of The Outsider.espCRC: 6F09A220Brevi_MoonlightTales.espCRC: 4286A111portal2mod.espCRC: 6FE81988SkyRe_Combat.espCRC: 8CBB3E24dovahkiinrelax.espCRC: CCD13DDUFO - Heartfire AddOn.espCRC: D34DD9ECEpic Male Argonian Shouting.espCRC: D596F02AUFO - Dawnguard AddOn.espCRC: 6F9D1F37vImmersiveBeds.espCRC: 1162FF74Version: 1.01Open Cities Skyrim.espCRC: 7573F07EVersion: 1.0.9Alternate Start - Live Another Life.espCRC: A398D40DVersion: 2.5.1aReProccer.espCRC: 73F851F3 Version Information LOOT Version 0.6.0 Masterlist Updating Enabled Masterlist Revision 17b834c0e Masterlist Date 2014-08-28 Plugin & Message Counts Active Plugins 100 Dirty Plugins 0 Total Plugins 100 Warnings 0 Errors 0 Total Messages 16 General MessagesNote: Latest LOOT thread.Note: Your SKSE is up-to-date.Hide Version NumbersHide CRCsHide Bash Tag SuggestionsHide NotesHide 'Do Not Clean' MessagesHide Inactive Plugin MessagesHide All Plugin MessagesHide Messageless PluginsPlugins hidden: 0 / 100Messages hidden: 0 / 16 Edited August 30, 2014 by BangaaDragoon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camaro_69_327 Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Thanks for changing to a spoiler and using loot...follow what LOOT is telling you , Dirty mods (yes even the Official DLC's) can and do cause crashes. SO not Conflicts per say , Just that mods need to be cleaned. Not all just the ones LOOT is point out. For instance...Update.esmCRC: E5B67BDADelev, RelevWarning: Contains 92 ITM records and 3 UDR records. Clean with TES5Edit.An Official plugin, besides the 92 ITM (Identical to Master) records , it also has 3 UDR (deleted references) , IF any mod in your load order were to ask for any one of those 3 references it WILL be an Instant CTD (Crash to Desktop). Follow the link and get Tes5Edit , read up on the cleaning process it really is easy to do. Just remember to only select one mod at a time, Tes5Edit will load any other mods required for the cleaning. The area you refer to is a place that gives a lot of people problems, think it crosses 4 borders at once in a few places. Is it where the Wolves are suppose to attack? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangaaDragoon Posted August 30, 2014 Author Share Posted August 30, 2014 Right when you posted that I was updating my LOOT list (since I noticed it asking for TES5Edit). There's no dirty mods now, and I'm going to test the save again. Should only take a few seconds to test (I saved right before I got to where it crashed). Thank you for your suggestion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangaaDragoon Posted August 30, 2014 Author Share Posted August 30, 2014 Yes, it as you said, right when the wolves are supposed to attack. I went back to the save, and got passed the point of the usual CTD. After hearing the wolves howl, I supposed that I should take care of them as to not have an annoyance on my back. I got off Shadowmere, and CTD. I'll try a few more times, with varying paths to see if it's just that area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camaro_69_327 Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Could be a bad spawn...try going someplace else...an interior and waiting out the spawn..31 days?...for test to see if you can go back down the path. I was crashing in that general area..Actually, across the way at exit to bleak falls. Used the "Reset cells" from immersive creatures MCM menu and it fixed the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangaaDragoon Posted August 31, 2014 Author Share Posted August 31, 2014 So, I started a new save. To see if it really was just a bad cell. It seemed that was the case since I went around to get to Falkreath. But soon after I started the new game, I experienced sporadic CTDs. There's one thing that links these though... well maybe. One happened upon entering a building (entered, autosaved, CTD. But I still retained the save), one other happened upon opening the map, and the last was upon trying to get to my items. The similarity is mostly the last two, in which case I'm opening a new menu or GUI. Any regards in fixing these wonderful (sarcastic) CTDs would be amazing, thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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