Goodbye Socialist Obamerica ... goodbye.

[JRRaff]

I find it quite sad, (in the proper sense of the word), that a large proportion of the population of the richest country in the world can not only live with the fact that 10's of millions of other Americans either have limited, or no, access to medical care, but can actively choose to keep that situation in order to save themselves a few dollars per year.

 

And from the little I've read elsewhere, didn't the Republicans have similar ideas to 'Obamacare' in the 70's, supported by the Heritage Foundation in the 80's and 90's and implemented by Mitt Romney in the 2000's?

 

The Libertarianism that Capitlaist believe in, is the freedom of the rich to do what they want, and 'thrpppp!' to the poor.

 

The much-vaunted 'Socialism' of Obama is not Socialism, it is an attempt at amelioration of some of the worst effects of Capitalism, in order to stop the poor becoming so angry at the society they live in that they revolt. That is all that any Capitalist politician is prepared to do for the poor.

I used to think like you. Now I'm living it in reality. I registered for ACA and I am now paying coverage for conditions I'll never have (prenatal care). The 'poor' you're refering to, I'm one of them. I have inflated insurance with a deductable that should be about $230.00. Under ACA it is almost $10,000. I'm living in a nightmare that I helped create (along with millions of other Americans) so please don't pretend you know what you're talking about when you don't.

Edited November 7, 2014 by JRRaff

[kvnchrist]

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I find it quite sad, (in the proper sense of the word), that a large proportion of the population of the richest country in the world can not only live with the fact that 10's of millions of other Americans either have limited, or no, access to medical care, but can actively choose to keep that situation in order to save themselves a few dollars per year.

 

And from the little I've read elsewhere, didn't the Republicans have similar ideas to 'Obamacare' in the 70's, supported by the Heritage Foundation in the 80's and 90's and implemented by Mitt Romney in the 2000's?

 

The Libertarianism that Capitlaist believe in, is the freedom of the rich to do what they want, and 'thrpppp!' to the poor.

 

The much-vaunted 'Socialism' of Obama is not Socialism, it is an attempt at amelioration of some of the worst effects of Capitalism, in order to stop the poor becoming so angry at the society they live in that they revolt. That is all that any Capitalist politician is prepared to do for the poor.

 

 

If the dems were trying to take away from the effects of capitalism, why did they not just give us universal health care and be done with it? Why did they talk about insurgence companies and then leave these companies in charge of administrating it? Why did the Pharmaceutical companies have a seat at the table, when the ACA was created?

 

Why did they not look for help from those countries who have had national health care for decades and had worked through their kinks?

 

This idea that this was so important to those who brung it to us, seems to fall flat against the reality of how it showed it's face. If I had passed a law which was so important to me, I think I would have followed it around like a baby of mine and would know far ahead of time the status of everything even remotly attributed to it.

 

Did Welfare, medicare and go through the same birth pains as the ACA?

[Aurielius]

I find it quite sad, (in the proper sense of the word), that a large proportion of the population of the richest country in the world can not only live with the fact that 10's of millions of other Americans either have limited, or no, access to medical care, but can actively choose to keep that situation in order to save themselves a few dollars per year.

 

And from the little I've read elsewhere, didn't the Republicans have similar ideas to 'Obamacare' in the 70's, supported by the Heritage Foundation in the 80's and 90's and implemented by Mitt Romney in the 2000's?

 

The Libertarianism that Capitlaist believe in, is the freedom of the rich to do what they want, and 'thrpppp!' to the poor.

 

The much-vaunted 'Socialism' of Obama is not Socialism, it is an attempt at amelioration of some of the worst effects of Capitalism, in order to stop the poor becoming so angry at the society they live in that they revolt. That is all that any Capitalist politician is prepared to do for the poor.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck..... The founders only wanted to insure the freedom to excel without the government interfering.

I notice a tad bit of disdain for capitalism which is our economic system, one I would note has had better resilience than any of it's socialist economic competitors.

It's your call if you do not mind a government redistributing your assets but most Americans are sticklers on that issue.

 

One thing I will bet on however...Obamacare will be amended but not repealed. Obama has succeeded in expanding the group of people that expect the government to take care of them..oh well done Mr President. However last Tuesday's results has created a fire wall against further encroachments.

[JRRaff]

I read a report in Business Weekly that 2/3rds of the people my age are not participating in ACA. They had rather have the IRS take their returns than pay for the insurance. That tells me something I already know; ACA is broken. How can a government program be funded if the people it targets refuse to go along with it?

 

As far as health care for the poor goes; I don't have health care. I have insurance. I'm 24, single and I'm healthy. I don't need insurance coverage for children, but I'm paying for it any way. Actually, I'm paying for someone else's kids.

 

I really didn't understand what 'socialism' meant outside of an academic setting or Republicans using it as a hot button to piss people off. But every time I look at my pay check there is a big gap between what I earned and what I get in my pocket. That is MY bottom line and YES I think it is socialism in action. Obama is taking something I worked for and is giving it away as a freebie to someone else. I have no one to blame but myself.

[Aurielius]

Obama is taking something I worked for and is giving it away as a freebie to someone else. I have no one to blame but myself.

There is nothing wrong with a sense of idealism in your youth and "Hope and Change" is what Obama promised, that certainly is not want he delivered. General rule of thumb..when a politician promises the moon..get out your hip waders and keep a tight hold on your wallet. There is no such thing as a free lunch...someone has to pay for the meal.

[JRRaff]

I get what you're saying. I just don't like it. There is a line in that old movie 'Full Metal Jacket'. "It is a big s#*! sandwich and we all have to take a bite."

 

I'm bitter because I woke up to the truth and there's nothing I can do about it. My parents are die-hard Liberals and huge hypocrites. I've known this for about a year now. My poli-sci professor at OSU was Bush hater. All of my former 'friends' are super Obama worshippers or they still live with their parents so they don't care. I wait tables during the day and I'm a bouncer at a live venue bar at night just so I can afford my student loan payments and car insurance. My phone is three years old and I'm embarrassed to pull it out in front of people. I don't have a TV so XBox is dead and I'm still using the same computer I had when I started college. For someone my age, I'm living in the modern equivalent of the Stone Age. 20 years ago people my age were driving Porches. WTF happened to that?

 

Great, now I'm ranting. :down:

[EnaiSiaion]

poli-sci (...) 20 years ago people my age were driving Porches. WTF happened to that?

Perhaps they chose a useful domain of study? One that actually enables the creation of value?

 

I made a similar error, paid for by socialism no less. During the past years I saved money and will live off that and my current or next job while pursuing a career in something that allows me to contribute enough to society to afford a Porsche at 40. Society will get every penny back they invested into me but not a penny more, lest the next generation makes the same mistake. I may be scum, but I won't be scum forever.

Edited November 7, 2014 by EnaiSiaion

[JRRaff]

That's why I hope Keystone passes. It's projected path cuts through the middle of my state. I'm already registered with Schlumberger and Flour. Hopefully I can get a real job and get on with my life.

Edited November 7, 2014 by JRRaff

[Aurielius]

Given the fact that SCOTUS is taking up the constitutional legality of subsidies in the Affordable Health Care Act, I may have to eat my prior words concerning the permanence of Obamacare. If the subsidies are not constitutional then the entire infrastructure of Obamacare will collapse. Normally I hate to have to eat my own words but this case might be the silver bullet that finishes off Obamacare....if that occurs..... pass the hot sauce.

[JRRaff]

Goodbye Socialist Obamerica

According to an AP report, the first set of exit poll numbers are in. Democrats lost (on average) 18% of the female vote and 30% of the male vote. From 2008 to 2012 they had a +/- margin of 08%. The also lost 34% of the white vote. I don't think exit polls done by race are accurate since they go by districts.

 

Anyway, this tells me something I already knew; the Democrats have alienated the base they rely on to get into office. The economy is in the tank and the women who vote based on income (moms, professionals, etc.) care about the economy. Not the academic side of economics, but how much a loaf of bread costs, a gallon of gas, school clothes for their kids; that is what moms look at (or at least mine does). And I don't think the fabricated 'war on women' did Democrats any favors. People like Hillary Clinton, Michelle Nunn. Alison Grimes and Mary Landrieu did more harm than good.

 

I had already made my decision to vote Republican after Obama started lying. I can only assume that (among other things) is what fractured the Democratic base this cycle. As a Liberal, I can honestly say a few good things did come out of this election. The Conservatives are starting to budge on key issues like minimum wage, health care, equal pay for equal work, etc. If 'we the people' could actually push the Conservatives a few ticks to the left and the Liberals a few ticks to the right, they would be closer to the center. We would all benefit from that.