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[Yossarian22]

Hi

Well, mostly I am fine with the banning politics here, but what I sometimes miss is a clear consistency.

1. Lately there was a guy banned for uploading a picture, that shows stolen content with the reason, that he supposely advertised stolen content. So, for me, it's ok if this is the rule here, so it be, but it concerns me when on the other hand many people uploading screens with stolen content visible without ever getting disturbed. What's that, banning 1 and leaving 10 go...

2. In your rules you clearly say you don't allow pedophilia here. Good thing, but why people can can post pictures showing nacked shojo-girls or even hosting this mod if you not allow pedophilia here? This seem to me a bit hypocritical because this mod clearly is nothing but childporn with a fancy name. Or what exactly does this mod do different to not fall under this term?

gretz

Yoss

[Dark0ne]

My concern is; have you reported any of these violations you've seen?

[Yossarian22]

My concern is; have you reported any of these violations you've seen?

No, because as said I am unsure about the directive here sometimes. Shojo Race is already available for download for a while, so I guessed it has been noticed by the moderators and that posting a screen with stolen content can earn you a bann I wasn't even aware until lately when just that happend to somebody. Because really, I have seen too much screens that show stolen content here and I was really suprised seeing someone banned for that all of a sudden. In my opinion that's not fair, because this behavior is so common here in general, so how could anyone assume, that it's not allowed?

[Pronam]

The nexus forums and sites/filepages/imagepages are epically large. It's not a paid team that has the time to fiddle out every single image/mod all day long. Most of the bans are a result of the most important tool around, the report button. If none ever reports and assumes it's already been you're probably wrong. Yes that basically means that a file/screen could've been there for years while on a single hit it could've been removed. Then again new rules have been set up along the time, especially about images. So that may be another reason why it's not removed yet.
The most important factor of control is the community itself, when in doubt check the rules again, any supportive topics/articles or maybe even past bans. Common behavior is not necessarily condoned behavior, when in a sufficient doubt reconsider/maybe even pm a moderator.. or just use the report button and help out the moderators!

[LHammonds]

There was a time when I consistently combed the "uploaded today" list for mods to download and was pretty-much in-the-know as to what was being put up on the server...at least for Oblivion (not Morrowind). But even in the "hay day", I did not browse the ImageShare section or other game areas....not even really the forums themselves. Now I mainly access the site to see if I need to reply to PMs, reply to any comments left on mods I support, see if I can lend a hand in the Oblivion mod forums and check staff areas for work that needs to get handled. That RARELY leaves any time to see what mods have been uploaded. I have probably downloaded 5 mods in the last year.

If I catch any wrong-doing outside of the report center, it is by the rare misfortune of the unfortunate soul that catches my ban hammer....which is about once in a blue moon.

It is inevitable that members raise this same question over and over about what is fair and not. I'll ban somebody for breaking a rule and then get chastised by another member saying that member such-n-so did the same thing and I didn't do anything to him...and it all boils down to "did anyone report them? Nope." Sometimes we get a cascade of reports where somebody gets banned for doing something and we get several similar reports...many of which take time to research, investigate and decide what action needs to happen. Sometimes this takes too long for some people and they think we are doing nothing because we are not making ongoing investigations public affair. I don't ever want to be known as one who drags people through mud because of false accusations...and yes, we have had more than our fair share of false accusations being slung around and for various reasons, we have to be the ones that dig up the truth.

Bottom line is this:
- be familiar with the rules of the site.
- use the report button and mention what rule you think is being broken (even if you are not 100% sure...we will make the final decision)
- want to know what people are getting banned for? Easy, just look at our rules section, we make bans public information and we specify why they were banned.

LHammonds

[Yossarian22]

Well... I completely understand you guys kinda busy and can't recognize everything, but the two points that took me open up this thread haven't been answered yet. It just happens, that the particular one, that got banned for posting a screen with stolen content (laffindude) did me a favor once, that's why I even noticed his bann.

I mean, it's pretty clear, that links to stolen content is not allowed, but plain screens? It's not clear stated anywhere in this manner and to bann somebody with a sentence like: "Mods which use ripped content, even for personal use, is just bad... m'kay:" don't seem to me very reasonable. Because in fact, if you own 2 games and rip content out of one of it and use it for personal use, there is really nothing anybody could say about that! Because you bought the games, you can do with it whatever you like, besides public uploading of course. But that's not what he did and he didn't post a link too.

I mean, I ported some stuff of oblivion for personal use too, but I didn't upload it anywhere. If I now going to post a screenshot of it, I will risk a bann? Because that's what happend to him.

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Second, as said, I understand that without a report rulebreaking mods can fall under the table, but in this particular case of shojo race I am pretty sure this mod was recognized by the staff, because there are a few moderator actions in the comments. So, for me, it doesn't matter if this mod get's banned or not, but I am interested in your reasons why this mod is conform to your rules...

gretz

Yoss

[Rabbit 51]

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The Rabbit

[Yossarian22]

I never said anything against Enhanced Children and there is a Difference between Shojo Race and Enhanced Children. Because Shojo Race adds nudity, while Enhanced Children doesn't. So, child nudity is not allowed on nexus, but if you call the children Shojo instead it's a free go? It's nothing about like or not like, it's about inconsistency in the rules. Also I am wondering at what line I insulted anyone? I just name the facts that shojo race holds child nudity and got accepted on nexus, nothing else.

Edit: Taking a closer look on it, this mod only seem to add nudity if a female nude body mod replacer is used at same time, because Shojo Race uses the adult body as it seems... so I guess the mod can't be fault

[Dark0ne]

If I had to sit here writing out rules for every single infraction that would get someone banned I'd be here for the rest of my life. People are expected to have a bit of common sense and a similar sense of respect of not trying to push the boundaries in an attempt to goad me. A recent example would be the recent changes to the rules of nudity in the Image Share section. Some users are pushing it by uploading pictures of their characters in such skimpy and revealing outfits that they may as well be wearing nothing at all. My advice is to play it safe and if in doubt PM one of the staff. People are starting to notice that "But you didn't say that would get me banned" isn't enough when they're doing stupid things.

On the subject of uploading images of characters using ripped content consider this: we don't allow any talk of piracy on this site. If someone so much as mentions they've been pirating anything they get an insta-ban. You like to pirate stuff? That's great. Don't bring it here. In the same vein we've taken a hard stance on copyright infringement and using ripped content. You like to rip content from other games and mod them in to TES/FO3/Dragon Age? Good for you. Just don't go advertising it to us because we don't want it.

Piracy, copyright infringement....if you like to do it then freaking great for you! Your character wearing a Crysis nano-suit in Fallout 3? Awesome for you. I'm sure it's great! But still, we don't want it here. Keep it personal to you or share it with the other communities that are willing to accept it. We don't want people putting up pictures of their characters using this content either and we'll frown on it (albeit perhaps less scathingly) as we would someone who thought it a good idea to upload a picture of their pirated movie collection.

We want things clean, tidy and respectable. Respectable to everyone; the site, the staff, the other members, the creators of the game and the creators of intellectual property outside of the game.

There are plenty of other sites inside and outside of the modding communities the Nexus sites service that can provide a respite in to these areas (don't ask for links!) so feel free to use them. I'm not going to stop you. We're not stalking other sites for recognisable member names to ban here so feel free to use the same username. You can be a member of more than one site in a gaming community! But when you come here respect the rules, respect the law, and respect each other. That's all I ask.

N.B. as a note I have no issue with the "other sites" that do allowed ripped content to be hosted on their servers. What they choose to allow is non of my concern and I hold no ill will what-so-ever. They provide a valuable alcove in the community for like-minded individuals.

My feelings on sites that knowingly and willingly allow users to upload other member's work without their permission (when permission must be sought) on the other hand is another thing entirely. Nothing I can do about it though except insure such sites are not advertised or alluded to here.

[Yossarian22]

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Piracy, copyright infringement....if you like to do it then freaking great for you! Your character wearing a Crysis nano-suit in Fallout 3? Awesome for you. I'm sure it's great! But still, we don't want it here. Keep it personal to you or share it with the other communities that are willing to accept it. We don't want people putting up pictures of their characters using this content either and we'll frown on it (albeit perhaps less scathingly) as we would someone who thought it a good idea to upload a picture of their pirated movie collection.

That's a pretty clear answer. Thanks! You should point it out somewhere, because I am pretty sure many users aren't aware of it. And I don't think this is a infraction, because it happens very frequently.