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[gargoylesky]

Are you disappointed when you see Mankarr Camoren? I won't bother telling who he is in case of spoiler... Bethesda wanted him to be a grey type of character so the player will think "Oh, maybe he's right", but everyone can see this guy being plain evil. In Morrowind, Dagoth Ur and Vivec are more of a grey character than Mankarr Camoren. You'll never know who killed Nerevar and you'll never know if Vivec used you to kill Dagoth Ur for his own agenda.

[dylandvillian]

i killed vivec and dagoth ur, although i thought that it was strange that i could capture vivecs soul but not dagoth ur's but to answer the question YES

[Malchik]

I edited your post title gargoylesky. We have already several threads on whether Oblivion or Morrowind is better and that's what it looked like from the original title.

Presumably any land conquered by Daedric Lords would become other plains of Oblivion in time. How anyone could consider MC as 'grey' is beyond me. But had MD triumphed no doubt he would have swatted Paradise away when it had served its purpose.

[cryocry]

Are you disappointed when you see Mankarr Camoren? I won't bother telling who he is in case of spoiler... Bethesda wanted him to be a grey type of character so the player will think "Oh, maybe he's right", but everyone can see this guy being plain evil. In Morrowind, Dagoth Ur and Vivec are more of a grey character than Mankarr Camoren. You'll never know who killed Nerevar and you'll never know if Vivec used you to kill Dagoth Ur for his own agenda.

In Morrowind, YOU were the Nerevarine, and it wasn't in Morrowind's storyline for the Nerevarine to be killed. Oh, and, no, I wasn't expecting him to be grey. Oh, and dylandvillian, I'm guessing that... oh, wait, nevermind, you can capture creatures' souls too... Anyway, to answer the question, no, Mankar Camoran was an Altmer, so they are supposed to be golden yellow, Vivec was half n' half, Chimer and Dunmer, and Dagoth-Ur was yellow. I don't know why you want them to grey.


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[CJD]

In Morrowind, YOU were the Nerevarine, and it wasn't in Morrowind's storyline for the Nerevarine to be killed. Oh, and, no, I wasn't expecting him to be grey. Oh, and dylandvillian, I'm guessing that... oh, wait, nevermind, you can capture creatures' souls too... Anyway, to answer the question, no, Mankar Camoran was an Altmer, so they are supposed to be golden yellow, Vivec was half n' half, Chimer and Dunmer, and Dagoth-Ur was yellow. I don't know why you want them to grey. Oh, and you spelled Mankar in Mankar Camoren wrong .

he means they waant his personality to be grey, like mysterious and dark, grey is like both of those traits

[sleaaels]

lol i didn't know Mankarr was suppose to be grey, my very first impression was BAD, not one ounce of doubt.

I did wonder whether Vivec was a little dodgy, now i know it wasn't just me:)

[tolatrafi]

I thought MC was entirely bad when I first ran into him in the game, but when you are in paradise and he starts explaining his thinking, I kinda understood his reasoning. I think that MC is pretty grey because he is not evil just for the hell of it, he's just misguided. It seems like he logically thought out his beliefs, and tried to do what was best, just like Dagoth Ur.

[Evangelion_2014]

If you think about it, MC really isn't that grey. I mean come on, the guy created a false "paridise" so he could lure people into following his twisted religion. He also willingly unleashes the gates of oblivion, and tries to initiate "the cleansing"(aka tamerielic mass murder). If he really wanted to create a nice little paridise for his worshippers he could have done that without assualting all of cyrodiil.

Dagoth Ur was half evil, half grey. He essentially was just a dunmer ubernationist with god like powers. He represented some of the core resentments of the dunmer, he just took his beliefs way too far. He really wanted to create a dunmer utopia through his powers, Although MC did basically the same thing, he really didn't have history like UR did, making him a little less grey, as in he had no motives other than his twisted beliefs to do what he did.

[n00b_chaos]

Honestly i liked DU's ideas of destroying the tribunal and driving out the empire. I'm glad bethedesa made the tribunal expansion so i could kill the tribunal and the king of mournhold
Speaking of the tribunal expansion... Does anyone else remember the quest where you had to stop a guy from entering a suicide cult that tried to avert a very similar daedric cleansing to the one that is the main focus of oblivion? If only we'd have listened

[gargoylesky]

Honestly i liked DU's ideas of destroying the tribunal and driving out the empire. I'm glad bethedesa made the tribunal expansion so i could kill the tribunal and the king of mournhold
Speaking of the tribunal expansion... Does anyone else remember the quest where you had to stop a guy from entering a suicide cult that tried to avert a very similar daedric cleansing to the one that is the main focus of oblivion? If only we'd have listened

Dagoth Ur didn't want to slaughter everyone. He just wanted to share the devine power of Lorkhan with err everyone. The Imperials stole land from the Dumner so why shouldn't they take it back? Nerevar must of betrayed Dagoth Ur and died in a power struggle with the Tribunal. Dagoth Ur lost his mind after this betrayal. Who would win if Dagoth Ur fought against Mankarr Cameron? Can Dagoth Ur take out Mehrunes Dagon if he wanted to? Almelexia wasn't much of a challenge and she somehow tossed Mehrune's butt back into Oblivion.