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[Viperswhip]

Well, I have played through DAO many times now with different origins, but I must say that I have been underwhelmed by the PCs responses to situations when coming from an Elven background.

In the Dalish Elf origin you can kill humans because they happen to be near your camp. There is no consequence to this decision Either way your clan is going to move North and the villagers come after you (poor writing there, how would the villagers know we killed the humans?).

In the City Elf Origin, some crappy human nobles pull a first night right on your wedding day and you can even suggest, though can't obviously, that you kill Duncan.

This level of hostility cannot be maintained throughout the game. Though you can occasionally react to a demeaning comment with an acerbic comment of your own, it is an overall underwhelming experience to play a human hating elf through the game. Really, after you can be mean to the King at Ostagar the choices kind of slowly disappear throughout the game.

Ah, I guess I am not really asking for a mod, it would be a lot of work to change all the PC dialogue, and I am guessing that the NPCs don't include the responsive behaviour that would necessarily reflect a more hostile elf.

[Chiramu]

The weirdest one is still the Chantry Mother at Lothering I find. You can be Dalish, who know how the Chantry like DESTROYED the Dales, and she still expects a Dalish to give money to a human church.
That is the WEIRDEST thing in the game.

But then I've realised that majority of this game was written for Human Male only. Especially Leliana's dialogue.

It would be nice to have more dialogue for the rest of the origins, but that's a lot of work going into the game, picking out where exactly you could put something in, and then trying to put together a dialogue response to it from the other party.

[RustyBlade]

The weirdest one is still the Chantry Mother at Lothering I find. You can be Dalish, who know how the Chantry like DESTROYED the Dales, and she still expects a Dalish to give money to a human church.
That is the WEIRDEST thing in the game.

I think she is severely visually challanged Surely she can't be that obtuse... can she?

But then I've realised that majority of this game was written for Human Male only. Especially Leliana's dialogue.

I don't know about that; as an elf, it's kind of neat to drop the race card on her in that one dialogue and get her stammering, "I didn't mean..." Proves she's a hypocritical racist little twitwaffle Good times

[Chiramu]

The weirdest one is still the Chantry Mother at Lothering I find. You can be Dalish, who know how the Chantry like DESTROYED the Dales, and she still expects a Dalish to give money to a human church.
That is the WEIRDEST thing in the game.

I think she is severely visually challanged Surely she can't be that obtuse... can she?

But then I've realised that majority of this game was written for Human Male only. Especially Leliana's dialogue.

I don't know about that; as an elf, it's kind of neat to drop the race card on her in that one dialogue and get her stammering, "I didn't mean..." Proves she's a hypocritical racist little twitwaffle Good times

Ah yeah, I really disliked all of her dialogue when playing Dalish though, cause she tells you she's surprised to see that you haven't been a "savage" around her; and then she laughs at you when you have to inquire into her past :/.

I concluded that the game seems best played if you are a human man, particularly in Howe's Denerim estate where you ask Anora, "Aren't you a little short for a guard?"
If you are a human girl, you are the same size as her; if you are any sort of elf or dwarf you are WAY smaller.

[RustyBlade]

I concluded that the game seems best played if you are a human man, particularly in Howe's Denerim estate where you ask Anora, "Aren't you a little short for a guard?"
If you are a human girl, you are the same size as her; if you are any sort of elf or dwarf you are WAY smaller.

It is a reference to Star Wars Episode IV where Leia says that to Luke - really has nothing to do with the plot; it's just comedy relief.

As an elf or human in Orzammar, the L-l-l-l-l-l-l-yrium guy will comment, "You're awfully tall." Try both scenes playing as a kid for true irony.

[Chiramu]

I concluded that the game seems best played if you are a human man, particularly in Howe's Denerim estate where you ask Anora, "Aren't you a little short for a guard?"
If you are a human girl, you are the same size as her; if you are any sort of elf or dwarf you are WAY smaller.

It is a reference to Star Wars Episode IV where Leia says that to Luke - really has nothing to do with the plot; it's just comedy relief.

As an elf or human in Orzammar, the L-l-l-l-l-l-l-yrium guy will comment, "You're awfully tall." Try both scenes playing as a kid for true irony.

I know where it came from when I saw it without even looking at the wiki. The fact is, it only works if you are a human man.

[RustyBlade]

I say it as an elf all the time, I've even said it to her as an elven child but then I like irony

[XTR3M368]

I do understand what the original poster means. I once did a city elf playthrough and I was telling the humans where to get off as soon as I made Warden whenever it would let me. I killed that chump trying to take my "wife" too. there are certain occasions where you can do the "elf" thing, but it is quite obvious it was written with humans in mind.....maybe that is why DA2 is going to be human PC only.

[RustyBlade]

I always look at it from the viewpoint of you don't gain respect by being disrespectful so after sending Vaughn to his well deserved grave I lighten up with the attitude, take the moral high ground and then shove it down their throats as often as the opportunity presents itself. But that's me.

[Viperswhip]

Well, you can leave Redcliffe to die, kill Isolde and Connor, kill the Mages and the Templars, Wynne, and Leliana and finish with the Dwarves/Golems and Elves, but you are absolutely forced by the game to save the Arl.

However, it makes most of those options out to be more evil than someone who has an ingrained reason to hate and mistrust humans. As a Dalish elf, learning all you do of the history, I hate Leliana especially after her elven servant comment (note, I don't hate Lel with every PC obviously ) mostly due to her being all Ra Ra about the Chantry early, I also hate Alistair for his being connected to it all. Both of my elven games so far have ended with me at level 20 or so. If it weren't for some downloaded adventures I would have been 17 or 18 (I don't do any quests that help humans). You don't get much XP leaving Redcliffe to die heh. The ending is easy without the mages or templars even on Nightmare with Combat Tweaks level 2 scaling.

I have to agree the game was made for a human. Well, it doesn't bother me too much. I am glad they tried. I guess with a tighter focus maybe the experience will be smoother in DA2, if I buy it. It does feel like that game is coming out fairly soon after DA, basically 1.5 years is very quick in today's gaming world. But maybe Robert Jordan, Diablo 3 and George RR Martin have gotten me used to waiting.

We keep getting concept art and the game is 4 months from release...I personally don't think it is going to ship on time, or it will be as buggy as Awakening (which STILL isn't fixed, other than by a few dedicated modders )