Strange Solitude CTD

[bardathe111]

Okay, so I have something of a strange CTD in Solitude and I cannot seem to figure it out. Now, I have been modding Skyrim for quite some time so I will post everything I have already tried in order to fix it.

First, on the crash itself; the crash only occurs when loading the actual Solitude cell and it does not occur everytime I load it. It may allow me to load Solitude 2 or 3 times before it crashes. Upon restarting after a ctd, it will usually load the Solitude cell. If it doesn't, I have to coc to a different area that loads into Solitude. (ie. if I am in the Winking Skeever and it just won't let me out, I'll coc to the Blue Palace and that will usually work.)

Skyrim Setup: I use LOOT for the load order, I clean the appropriate mods and official plugins with TES5Edit, I use a bashed patch through Wrye Bash, I use NMM to install almost all of my mods, I run SKSE with the ini memory settings, and I run the ENBoost speedhack.

As for what I've already done to try to fix it, I completely uninstalled all programs, mods, and files (including deleting saves etc.) associated with Skyrim and then redownloaded and reinstalled them; I have done this twice. I tried disabling all mods and that worked, so i disabled every mod individually, and the crash occured every time. Then I tried running only one mod at a time, and this also worked. I thought maybe it was a conflict with the new combat mods I added (I had none of the combat mods before the ctds and they were the only ones I added before the occurrences began.), but disabling all of them did not fix the issue. I then thought that, becuase of the way it was happening, maybe the SKSE mem patch was reaching the RAM limit so I installed Sheson's MemoryBlocksLog and it is, in fact, not hitting the 512 limit that I set. I even tried reading through all of the mod pages again, and not just their compatibility sections, to ensure that I didn't miss anything

This is the load order I use:

0 0 Skyrim.esm

1 1 Update.esm

2 2 Dawnguard.esm

3 3 HearthFires.esm

4 4 Dragonborn.esm

5 5 Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp

6 6 Falskaar.esm

7 7 Wyrmstooth.esp

8 8 Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm

9 9 Campfire.esm

10 a ClimatesOfTamriel.esm

11 b LB_MuchAdoSnowElves.esm

12 c RSkyrimChildren.esm

13 d Gray Fox Cowl.esm

14 e HighResTexturePack01.esp

15 f HighResTexturePack02.esp

16 10 HighResTexturePack03.esp

17 11 Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp

18 12 FestusKrexSpell.esp

19 13 CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp

20 14 LegacyoftheDragonborn.esp

21 15 Tes Arena - Skyrim Frontier Fortress.esp

22 16 Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp

23 17 Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp

24 18 Helgen Reborn.esp

25 19 betterinns.esp

26 1a ShenkThieveryOverhaul.esp

27 1b SoS - The Wilds.esp

28 1c SoS - Civilization.esp

29 1d Improved Artifacts - Complete Collection.esp

30 1e bettercitiesjarlshouses.esp

31 1f Rebirth Monster.esp

32 20 Thunderchild - Epic Shout Package.esp

33 21 SoS - The Dungeons.esp

34 22 MoonAndStar_MAS.esp

35 23 Undeath.esp

36 24 Combat Evolved.esp

37 25 Wintermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp

38 26 Elemental Destruction.esp

39 27 Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp

40 28 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

41 29 Druidessentials.esp

42 2a WATER DG + DB.esp

43 2b bettermorthal.esp

44 2c AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp

45 2d SkyrimsUniqueTreasures.esp

46 2e MLAdventures.esp

47 2f L0S and TaVE patch.esp

48 30 Run For Your Lives.esp

49 31 quest_thebiggertheyare.esp

50 32 Cloaks.esp

51 33 RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp

52 34 meadery.esp

53 35 betterravenrock.esp

54 36 Better Vampires.esp

55 37 Better Dynamic Snow.esp

56 38 LB_MuchAdoSnowElves_Quest.esp

57 39 iomaungandr rising.esp

58 3a quest_nomercy.esp

59 3b SMIM-Merged-All.esp

60 3c quest into the depth.esp

61 3d aedric ritual remake.esp

62 3e Immersive Patrols II.esp

63 3f InvestedMagic.esp

64 40 quest_seaofghosts.esp

65 41 markarth_plus.esp

66 42 konahrik_accoutrements.esp

67 43 tos_laintardale_hf.esp

68 44 tos_oakwood_hf.esp

69 45 adura_skyrimmerchantmod.esp

70 46 amuletsofthedivines.esp

71 47 betterfactionscomplete.esp

72 48 Immersive Weapons.esp

73 49 More Interesting Loot for Skyrim.esp

74 4a DBM_MoreInterestingLoot_Patch.esp

75 4b DBM_IWIA_Patch.esp

76 4c DBM_IW_Patch.esp

77 4d betterdawnstar.esp

78 4e AetheriumSwordsnArmor.esp

79 4f Action Combat.esp

80 50 AgentOfRighteousMight.esp

81 51 duskfalll.esp

82 52 tos_amber_guard.esp

83 53 Frostfall.esp

84 54 DBM_ExtraArmory.esp

85 55 quest_pitfighter.esp

86 56 AFT_ManagedFollowerBoost.esp

87 57 Animated Dragon Wings.esp

88 58 jurgholm.esp

89 59 RND_HearthFires-Patch.esp

90 5a quest_sorcery.esp

91 5b ForgottenCity.esp

92 5c Champion of Kynareth.esp

93 5d palantirbalanced.esp

94 5e BadGremlinsJarHunt.esp

95 5f WheelsOfLull.esp

96 60 WhiterunInEnhanced.esp

97 61 quest_andtherealmsofdaedra.esp

98 62 drop_skulls_sp0ckrates.esp

99 63 bettercitiesmorebees.esp

100 64 bettercitiesdocksolitude.esp

101 65 TAVESolitude.esp

102 66 DBM_TAV_Patch.esp

103 67 BGsomethingFishy.esp

104 68 sheogorath_shout.esp

105 69 RiverwoodEnhancedPlugin.esp

106 6a Darkend.esp

107 6b WATER Plants.esp

108 6c newplacehermaeusshrine.esp

109 6d arnima.esp

110 6e The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp

111 6f Magic of the Magna-Ge.esp

112 70 TAVERiften.esp

113 71 DBM_IA_Patch.esp

114 72 CWIDawnDragonPatch.esp

115 73 konahrik_accoutrements_db.esp

116 74 Dwemertech - Magic of the Dwarves.esp

117 75 ArtifactsOfBoethiah.esp

118 76 named_dragon_skulls_sp0.esp

119 77 matys knights of the nine armor 2.1.esp

120 78 Vampirelordroyal.esp

121 79 tavefalkreath.esp

122 7a TAVEWindhelm.esp

123 7b Cartographers Map Markers.esp

124 7c summersetisles.esp

125 7d isilNarsil.esp

126 7e Brevi_MoonlightTales.esp

127 7f Dungeons 6.esp

128 80 MoonAndStar_Undeath_compat.esp

129 81 Wrath Of Nature.esp

130 82 MoonAndStar_WATERPlants_compat.esp

131 83 black knight.esp

132 84 realcompanions_merchant_jorrvaskr_bmb.esp

133 85 realcompanions_skyforge_bmb.esp

134 86 KotN mage-dg.esp

135 87 quest_pitfighter_dlc01.esp

136 88 Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp

137 89 Apocalypse - Dragonborn Staff Crafting.esp

138 8a Better Embers.esp

139 8b Black Mage Armor.esp

140 8c Blaze Of Eventide.esp

141 8d ClimatesOfTamriel-Interiors-Warm.esp

142 8e ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp

143 8f WetandCold.esp

144 90 WetandCold - Ashes.esp

145 91 ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp

146 92 Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp

147 93 Convenient Horses.esp

148 94 Convenient Horses - Unique Frost.esp

149 95 Default Teammate Weapon Draw Distance.esp

150 96 THCraftableDawnguardArmory.esp

151 97 DivinePunishmentForArrowsToTheKnee.esp

152 98 DaedricPunishmentForSweetrolls.esp

153 99 DarkManeuvers.esp

154 9a DeadlyCombat.esp

155 9b DeadlyCombat_GiantsAIFix.esp

156 9c ogDiverseDragons.esp

157 9d DragonBlood.esp

158 9e konahrik_accoutrements_dpe.esp

159 9f duskguardamulet.esp

160 a0 ElementalArrows.esp

161 a1 dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp

162 a2 dD-Larger Splatter Size.esp

163 a3 exploreskyrim.esp

164 a4 HearthfireMultiKid.esp

165 a5 HearthFire Display Case Fix.esp

166 a6 HearthfireMultiKid_LastName.esp

167 a7 PrvtI_HeavyArmory_DG_Addon.esp

HoodsAndCirclets.esp

168 a8 t3nd0s masks.esp

169 a9 Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp

170 aa Thane Weapons Improved - Hearthfire Patch.esp

171 ab ImprovedSkillBooks.esp

172 ac DGInvestedMagic.esp

173 ad Konahriks Privilege by Edhelsereg.esp

174 ae Lore Weapon Expansion.esp

175 af PrvtI_HeavyArmory.esp

176 b0 LeftHandRings.esp

177 b1 LeftHandRings - Dawnguard.esp

178 b2 LostGrimoire.esp

179 b3 Matys Mithril armor Enhanced.esp

180 b4 Apocalypse - More Apocalypse.esp

181 b5 More Draconic Dragon Aspect - Powered Edition.esp

182 b6 More Draconic Dragon Aspect - Wings and Tail.esp

183 b7 NirShor-MusicalLore.esp

184 b8 no_guard_warning_after_shouts.esp

185 b9 NoldorArmor.esp

186 ba Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp

187 bb Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp

188 bc PrinceandPauperRS.esp

189 bd WerewolfPerksExpanded.esp

190 be WATER-RND Legendary Patch.esp

191 bf RND_Dawnguard-Patch.esp

192 c0 RND_Dragonborn-Patch.esp

193 c1 RND_AnimalLoot.esp

194 c2 RND_USKP-Patch.esp

195 c3 dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - High.esp

196 c4 BVandRB_Formlist.esp

197 c5 RSChildren - Complete.esp

198 c6 RSChildren_PatchUSKP.esp

199 c7 RSChildren_NonPlayableOverride.esp

200 c8 RSChildren_PlayableOverride.esp

201 c9 Graesholt - Skyforged Skyforge Weapons.esp

202 ca dD-DG-DB-Immersive Creatures EBT Patch.esp

203 cb Rebirth Monster - SIC Patch.esp

204 cc SkyUI.esp

205 cd Stickier_Arrows V2.esp

206 ce Chesko_Step418_SN.esp

207 cf the psijiic order.esp

208 d0 RGMsAlchemistsCompendium.esp

209 d1 Gray Fox Cowl - Camel patch.esp

210 d2 ultimatedurnehviir.esp

211 d3 Thunderchild - Wyrmstooth Compatibility Patch.esp

212 d4 ultimateodahviing.esp

213 d5 Unique Uniques.esp

214 d6 UnreadBooksGlow.esp

215 d7 VLW_Hybrid.esp

216 d8 VioLens.esp

217 d9 AmuletsofHircine.esp

218 da When Vampires Attack.esp

219 db WATER Falskaar.esp

220 dc Water-RND Falskaar Patch.esp

221 dd Moss Rocks - Legendary.esp

222 de SoS - Civilization-PatchCoT.esp

223 df SoS - The Wilds-PatchCoT.esp

224 e0 Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp

225 e1 Bashed Patch, 0.esp

I honestly cannot figure out what the problem is besides something having to do with NPCs spawning in Solitude, but that hasn't been a problem before. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[archtrtd1]

Would you mind posting your system specs?

 

Also, I see that you have Legacy of the Dragonborn.esp, TAVESolitude.esp, and Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp in your load order. You may have too many mods that affect Solitude. Legacy of the Dragonborn is a very script heavy mod (within the boundaries of Solitude) and I noticed a huge lag (20 fps drop) in Solitude when I installed it with Dawn of Solitude and Solitude Reborn.

 

You have quite a few plug-ins and might want to consider merging a few (armor mods and simple mods like moss rocks, left hand rings, patches, etc). You've got quite a few "big" (Helgen Reborn, Wyrmstooth, Falskaar, Legacy of the Dragonborn, ect) and it might help to consolidate your load order. I know the rule is 255 plugin limit - but many people have problems when their plug-in count goes over 220. I personally have over 350 plug-ins merged down to about 180 and have found my game is more stable with fewer plug-ins. I have most of the STEP fixes, armor mods, weapon mods, and various patches (RS Children) merged into categorized esps.

 

I hope this helps.

 

I just looked up TAVESolitude.esp - it's a mod from Steam Workshop. A few of the user comments mentioned that it had dirty edits and needs to be cleaned with TES5Edit. Those dirty edits may be causing your crashes.

[bardathe111]

Processor: AMD FX 8120 eight-core

GPU: AMD Radeon 7800 Series

RAM: 8GB

OS: WIndows 7 Enterprise

Mod Manager: Combination of NMM for installation and LOOT for load order.

 

So, most of the mods you've listed don't merge automatically with Wrye Bash and I am somewhat unfamiliar with using Bash Tags, so I was afraid I might screw something up doing that. How might I go about it? As to the script-heavy mods for Solitude, they haven't been a problem before, though they certainly still could be my issue. I did try disabling each of them one at a time, but the crash still occurred.

Edited November 28, 2015 by bardathe111

[archtrtd1]

I don't think were talking about the same type of "merging". Wrye Bash does merge some types of mods into the Bashed patch. I don't really understand how Wrye Bash even selects which mods can be merged into the Bashed Patch. I am talking about creating a new plug-in that contains several mods merged into one. I use TES5Edit to merge mods (and to clean them if LOOT or BOSS says the mod has dirty edits). The Merge Plugins xEdit Script automates the process and makes it so much easier than manually merging plug-ins. It is found here: http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/37981/? There is a video explaining how to use it.

 

Here is a video explaining how to clean mods with TES5Edit:

[bardathe111]

I have TES5Edit, but I didn't know you could use it for that. I just use it for the cleaning. Thanks for the info, I'll look into doing that.

[bardathe111]

My only question for merging is: If introducing a new plugin, LOOT won't be able to determine the load order of the new plugin relative to the merged plugin, so won't this cause unidentifiable compatibility issues?

Edited November 28, 2015 by bardathe111

[archtrtd1]

Ok, the rule of thumb (per the author of the Merge Script) for newly created merged plug-ins is to place it in the position of the lowest plug-in you merged. For example:

 

PrvtI_HeavyArmory.esp *

LeftHandRings.esp

LeftHandRings - Dawnguard.esp

LostGrimoire.esp

Matys Mithril armor Enhanced.esp *

Apocalypse - More Apocalypse.esp

More Draconic Dragon Aspect - Powered Edition.esp

More Draconic Dragon Aspect - Wings and Tail.esp

NirShor-MusicalLore.esp

no_guard_warning_after_shouts.esp

NoldorArmor.esp *

Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp

 

* Are the mods going into your new patch. I picked a few mods listed in your load order for this.

 

Here's your new load order:

 

LeftHandRings.esp

LeftHandRings - Dawnguard.esp

LostGrimoire.esp

Apocalypse - More Apocalypse.esp

More Draconic Dragon Aspect - Powered Edition.esp

More Draconic Dragon Aspect - Wings and Tail.esp

NirShor-MusicalLore.esp

no_guard_warning_after_shouts.esp

MERGED ARMORS.esp

Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp

Also, LOOT doesn't sort like BOSS. It actually digs deeper than mod name and actually analyzes the content of the mod (whether it's an armor, has scripts, etc) to determine the best load order. It generally seems to recognize many of my merged mods and puts them where they are supposed to go.

[bardathe111]

Thanks again, that's very helpful. I'll let you know if this does the trick.

[archtrtd1]

Also, the mods you select to merge usually aren't ones that are going to cause a huge number of conflicts. The only ones that do generally conflict (for good reason) are your patches.

 

No problem. I hope this helps.

[bardathe111]

I assume you're referring to mod specific patches like Legacy's patch for Immersive Weapons or something like that.