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Hi, I'm new here and I don't usually post in forums so I'm sorry if this isn't the right place to post this or someone had already posted this kind of problem/request and the issue was solved. I've read the pinned post (how to ask for help) before and did a lot of things to correct my problem but nothing worked. :confused: So, here it is:

 

I downloaded a lot of mods from Steam Workshop (showing 684 on SW and around 550 on NMM & LOOT). When I downloaded them I checked to see if they'll conflict with other mods or not (no problems there) but I did not think about the load order. I thought any mod manager will fix the load order when I'm done collecting mods for my game. :blush:

 

My game was looking awesome when I had.. maybe 250 mods, I really can't remember this, so I can't tell you when the problems started to show up. Then when I was done subscribing to all the mods I wanted, I started the game and it wasn't the same as it was before. I'm in whiterun and there was a lot of objects in there but now all of them are missing. It had a lot of trees, insects, bee hive and really awesome textures... or graphics, I don't know, because I have some mods that adds better textures and some mods that tweaks some graphics settings (brightness, contrast, hue, saturation etc.) to make the game look good. Anyway, every city in Skyrim had a lot of new objects and everything looked almost like real life. And now all of them are gone... :sad:

 

I know only two things about load order: .esm should be on top of .esp and main mod should be above and add-on or fixes. :wacko:

 

I tried using BOSS, LOOT and NMM to correct the load order but nothing made the game perfect. I can't see any errors/missing content on any mod managers but the game is just not perfect, it looks worse than vanilla Skyrim. And most/all of my previous content are not showing up (new quests, a lot of new objects/locations and of course, the glorious look). I tried some tools to detect conflicts but nothing worked. :wallbash:

 

I want someone to give me a perfect load order, I know it'll be a lot of hard work because there are a ton of mods listed bellow. Please take your time. I just wanted to make my game look like almost all the other gamer's... :sick:

 

Here's what I want my game to be like, if you can, please change the load order to match these. #1 means that comes first no matter whatever mod conflicts with it, if anything is causing problems with that, remove it. Did you get the pattern? For example: if #10 is causing problems with #3, remove all of the mods that are related to the description of #10. :wacko:

 

1. Bring back all of the objects (not houses or NPCs), some mods there adds a lot of new things in all parts of Skyrim. I want that mod that adds moving flowers (very real looking) and the one that adds some beehives throughout Skyrim and lastly, there's mod there that adds more animals (not new but it'd be great if you can add that too. Everything is listed somewhere in there).

 

2. Make the overall game look awesome again, including the weather (better snow, rain, sun, two moons(?) and lightning/storm effects). ughh... my game was really great, better looking than any current-gen games I have.

 

3. Make the NPCs look good again (face, body, cloths).

 

4. Bring back as many new dungeons/quests as you can. Houses are not important.

 

5. Want that new play-style. Some (or 1) mod there changes the AI behavior and makes the fights harder for all the enemies and dragons too, it can take a few minutes to kill a dragon.

 

6. Add new enemies in the game. Some mods add enemies and some replaces existing textures, if you can, add the texture mod first and then new enemies, if that causes conflicts, remove the new enemies mod (includes new dragons too).

 

7. Bring back all the new weapons, armors and new powers (spells, shout cool-down mods, perk points and leveling mechanism etc.).

 

8. Add as many new followers and NPCs as possible.

 

9. Add new texture mods for foods, ingredients and potions (there are several mods listed for each category).

 

10. Add all the houses if possible only if that doesn't cause conflict with any other mods.

 

After all that, try to add everything that doesn't cause any conflicts with them. Houses aren't important so if anything causes conflict with any new house mods, remove that house mod first. :psyduck:

 

That'd be all, I can't say enough thanks to the person that actually does all this work for a stranger. :yes:

 

Here's my current load order, you can also find a copy of it here: http://pastebin.com/PnbhxN1f.

Skyrim.esm
Update.esm
Dawnguard.esm
HearthFires.esm
Dragonborn.esm
Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp
Falskaar.esm
Wyrmstooth.esp
ApachiiHair.esm
Extra Encounters Reborn - Basic.esm
TKChildren.esm
HighResTexturePack01.esp
HighResTexturePack02.esp
HighResTexturePack03.esp
Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp
TouringCarriages.esp
betterfemalesbybella.esp
betterfemalesbybellamakeup4.esp
earth.esp
projectpew.esp
fortheljarchen.esp
fortwinstad.esp
datgrass .esp
cleaner_castlevolkihar3.esp
mintylightningmod.esp
mintylightningmod_cot_patch.esp
enhanced soundtrack 02.esp
enhanced soundtrack 01.esp
ts_malukah.esp
3DNPC.esp
orc stronghold grommash v1.00.esp
trueskyrim.esp
realistic lighting.esp
Helsmyrr.esp
Bandit Docks.esp
alternativelightingv2.esp
1k_dds_bloodenhanced.esp
1k_dds_landscape.esp
1k_dds_landscapewstm.esp
1k_dds_nif_naturalskin.esp
1k_dds_nif_naturalskindark.esp
1k_dds_nif_vurts-flora-overhaul.esp
1k_dds_shrubs.esp
dbtenetsrestored13-1024.esp
hectrol caves deluxe highres retex 2k version.esp
high res hawk replacement - red.esp
better embers.esp
hobbithouse.esp
birdshf.esp
dangerousgame.esp
guard dialogue overhaul.esp
divinepunishmentforarrowstotheknee.esp
earlier health warnings.esp
hdplants+herbs.esp
hqsnow.esp
lockpickpro.esp
milkywaygalaxy.esp
moregrass.esp
poshmudcrabs.esp
psychosteve_bust of the gray fox.esp
psychosteve_stone of barenziah.esp
real glaciers v2.esp
real mountains.esp
realisticskinningdawnguard.esp
realisticskinningdragonborn.esp
whistle.esp
AdventurersAndTravelers.esp
apex werewolf.esp
cyandaedricarmor.esp
daedricassassinarmorlight.esp
elderrobes.esp
lilithsarmor.esp
lilithscarver1_0.esp
lilithsdoombringer.esp
lilithseviscerator.esp
lilithsharbinger.esp
lilithsobliterator1_0.esp
lilithssickle_2_0.esp
lilithsthorn.esp
purpledaedricarmor.esp
thanatos dragonx.esp
ts_rogueoutfits.esp
erso 30 - better enemy ai.esp
beyond_skyrim.esp
lanterns of skyrim - all in one.esp
betterinns.esp
nightingalehall.esp
s7osuitesofskyrim.esp
sos - the wilds.esp
betterdarkbrotherhood.esp
ebonvale.esp
falkreath+.esp
sos - civilization.esp
test house.esp
bettercitiesjarlshouses.esp
Broken_Blade.esp
efpwizardry.esp
Dragon Born Castle.esp
Castle Riverwood.esp
helgenrebuilt.esp
sos - the dungeons.esp
bosmerarmormaty743part1.esp
bosmerarmormaty743part2.esp
bosmerarmormaty743part3.esp
bosmerarmormaty743part4.esp
hearthfiremultikid.esp
lightweight potions and poisons.esp
moonandstar_mas.esp
sjel blad castle.esp
Training Dummies & Targets - Falskaar Edition.esp
detailed cities.esp
marriagemod - alpha v3.esp
remove interior fog v2 - skyrim.esp
waves.esp
skyrim in color.esp
morninghood manor.esp
sutvaka2.esp
WATER.esp
archerydummyxp.esp
bettermorthal.esp
gleaming falls.esp
townsandcitiesenhanced.esp
theaviary.esp
akavir_isle.esp
betteranimals.esp
zx eyes (alt vamp) v1.0.esp
zx eyes v1.0 (bright eye ver.).esp
riverwood flora.esp
morevillageanimals.esp
old arena.esp
thefrontier.esp
genebristreasurechests.esp
s7oIrontreeMill.esp
War With The Aldmeri Dominion - Invasion of Solstheim.esp
solstheim castle.esp
longbows.esp
dragonmourninn.esp
the asteria - dwemer airship.esp
boner.esp
Pedscampoffollowers.esp
moarjewels.esp
Run For Your Lives.esp
quest_thebiggertheyare.esp
schnorf'steleportbuttons.esp
black hand embassy.esp
skyex.esp
breezehomelightfix.esp
dovahkiin_mountain_retreat.esp
wieldablelantern.esp
tk_placeable_clutter.esp
tos_oakwood.esp
thedomain.esp
betterravenrock.esp
wolveofsolstheimwb.esp
s7oDonkeyKing.esp
markarth_plus.esp
s7oLundAndLambda.esp
more enemies.esp
adalmatar.esp
s7oasforarrow.esp
arrowsmith-dawnguard.esp
underwater_treasure.esp
dragonnests.esp
quest_nomercy.esp
pureweather_brighter nights.esp
realraincot.esp
quest into the depth.esp
gleaming falls reborn.esp
trainers guild v10.0.esp
pinewoods cottage.esp
craftable soulgems.esp
03_solstheim_extendend.esp
gkbforest.esp
StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp
multifollowerlite.esp
elvenwood.esp
nagas'cavern.esp
new morthal.esp
tos_amber_guard.esp
immersive patrols ii.esp
Extra Encounters Reborn - CSP.esp
tos_laintardale_hf.esp
new ravenrock.esp
a shack by the springs.esp
improved final battle.esp
tos_oakwood_hf.esp
thane weapons improved.esp
quest_seaofghosts.esp
cohm.esp
miraak's loot enhanced - robes edition.esp
02_solstheim_extended.esp
the dragonguard.esp
adragoniustower.esp
konahrik_accoutrements.esp
bleedeffects.esp
ImprovedFollowers.esp
s7oBarleydarkFarm.esp
better raven rock.esp
tos_laintardale.esp
staff of magnus improved.esp
dragonsoulstoperks.esp
jman_bb2.esp
riverwoodhuntingcabin.esp
longbowsdg.esp
better_fast_travel.esp
lanterns of skyrim - bridges x2 - onoff_bright.esp
betterdawnstar.esp
the cathedral.esp
unremarkable cave.esp
test quest.esp
1K_DDS_Whiterun.esp
falskaar amber cottage.esp
bettermarkarthexterieur.esp
ridgeview house.esp
betterquestobjectives.esp
aetherial crown improved.esp
drunken goat inn.esp
tos_granitehall.esp
s7otheshadynag.esp
a_dragons_respect.esp
TGenhanced.esp
betterfire.esp
custom family home.esp
inigo.esp
visageofmzund.esp
cleo_farm.esp
more critters.esp
lanterns of skyrim - around cities_bright.esp
tavevillages.esp
whiteruninenhanced.esp
the tool of the gray fox quest.esp
collectiblexarxes.esp
dungeonquestawareness.esp
IC_MOD_M7001.esp
housecat.esp
hearthfiresenhanced.esp
jkjsenhancedhotpools.esp
quest_pitfighter.esp
the myth of naraag.esp
sofiafollower.esp
fortressofbasalt.esp
provincial courier service.esp
s7oChickenFix.esp
communitycollege.esp
quest_sorcery.esp
ForgottenCity.esp
follower pack iii.esp
enhancedlightingforrealisticlighting.esp
amuletsofthedivines.esp
montyximperialset.esp
pathofthedivine.esp
quest_andtherealmsofdaedra.esp
bettercitiesnewfarm.esp
whiterunexenhanced.esp
riverwoodenhancedplugin.esp
bettercitiesdocksolitude.esp
bettercitiesmorebees.esp
dbrdragonfix.esp
newplaceddawnguard.esp
taveriften.esp
ThroatOfTheWorldDeathDive.esp
realisticskinning.esp
Detailed Towns.esp
TownsandVillagesEnhancedProAlpha.esp
skyvale001m701.esp
betterwinterhold.esp
khajiitcampsfalskaar.esp
overlord.esp
When Vampires Attack.esp
wyrmstoothtravelcrashhotfix.esp
arrows fly forever.esp
chillrend improved.esp
dynamic fires.esp
faster vanilla horses.esp
matsoimmersivesun.esp
more dragons.esp
nightingale_armor_tweak.esp
dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
ultimatedurnehviir.esp
ultimateodahviing.esp
unreadbooksglow.esp
tavesolitude.esp
tavewindhelm.esp
surreal lighting.esp
saturationboost.esp
climatesoftamriel.esp
vampiresightnoblur.esp
conjuration pack i.esp
Kamehameha.esp
tacticalanalysisspell.esp
toggleallymortalityspell.esp
sheogorath_shout.esp
stronger daedric artifacts.esp
empower.esp
HeartBreaker.esp
azarhair.esp
brows.esp
flanseyesforskrim.esp
slightly reduced npc greetings.esp
blaze of eventide.esp
followerwander2.esp
essential blades.esp
followerwander2serana.esp
nocarlinventory.esp
xce.esp
dd - realistic ragdoll force - realistic.esp
zx hands.esp
purewaters.esp
arvakskull-marker.esp
barenziahquestmarkers.esp
impatienceofasaint-markers.esp
UsefulDogs.esp
vampire lycanthropy potions.esp
vampire lord potion.esp
a quality world map - with roads.esp
deathwing inspired alduin reloaded.esp
DragonPriestNyeeaah.esp
Forsworn helmet variety.esp
fuuu.esp
loadscreensarcasmDLC.esp
loadscreentextsextrasass.esp
NewLoadingScreens.esp
realistic paper.esp
realistic piercing arrows.esp
Skeleton Attack Sounds.esp
smfsneak attack.esp
Training.esp
Voldemort_Hehehe.esp
brat_richer_merchants_sp0.esp
caliente's beautiful bodies edition.esp
divinejudgementonoverzealousguards.esp
lightweight_ingots_and_ores.esp
lovelyhairstylesce.esp
moonandstar_immersionpatch.esp
Sexy Flora and Fauna Mod.esp
Sexy Lighting Mod.esp
Sexy Npc Faces.esp
Sexy Weapons Mod.esp
simpledivorce.esp
0K_CWMapFlags.esp
ArgonianMaidSkillBook.esp
dancewithdragonsmainmenuancient.esp
empty-knights-2.esp
hectrol_dwarven_shield_deluxe_hr_retex_4k.esp
improved wooden sword for hearthfire.esp
less tedious theives guild.esp
lilithsblacksunarmor.esp
lilithsDevastator.esp
lilithseyeofchaos.esp
lilithsLacerator.esp
montyxnightingaleset.esp
mxgandalfset.esp
mxfasterhorses.esp
montyxstormcloakset.esp
nettlebane improved.esp
newblue.esp
purifier.esp
RealisticFunctionalBoats.esp
rrhair.esp
rrhairargonian.esp
rrhairkhajiit.esp
SOYE.esp
wehrwolfmann's beautiful nude girls.esp
true magic armor vfx.esp
wilhelmscreammod.esp
zxmap(impmap).esp
reduced shout cooldowns.esp
surprise.esp
mysolstheimpeopleprotected!.esp
SkyrimWeatherBeautification.esp
Dawnguard Vampire FIx.esp
serana1.esp
set_werewolves_sp0.esp
Extra Encounters Reborn - HSR.esp
craftingplus.esp
hordewlodgemapmarkerfalskaar.esp
chromaticdragons.esp
ogDiverseDragons.esp
ImmersiveLoversComfort.esp
alessia_revision.esp
DragonPunishmentForCloudDistrict.esp
ancient helms improved.esp
hallsofdovahndor.esp
bee.esp
mages room.esp
wamroombanneroverbed.esp
regnpiercings.esp
mzarkwonders.esp
armored-horses.esp
PedsSummonMerchant.esp
lookout.esp
newplacehermaeusshrine.esp
into the deep.esp
rabbithole.esp
s7oTheHumblestHut.esp
blade of woe improved.esp
follower pack ii.esp
gifts of the outsider.esp
s7oSmackTheSmith.esp
longbowsdb.esp
longbows&crossbows.esp
efpbandits.esp
craftableclothes.esp
daedriccrossbow.esp
viceroyinquisitor.esp
mu.esp
detailed outskirts.esp
okains.esp
gersonia.esp
tavefalkreath.esp
fasterlevelling.esp
ridingdirty.esp
enchantthreeeffects.esp
moresmeltables.esp
megalodondragon.esp
FSFAR.esp
truedragonborn.esp
moreargoniantints.esp
WarriorPrincess.esp
dragonpriestmaskquestmarkers.esp
alphaminifixes - dragonborn standing stones.esp
thebardsquest.esp
realmofthewanglord.esp
talosstbp.1.esp
keeleewolf-runner.esp
montyxthievesguildset.esp
1k_dds_riften.esp
replace your criminal face.esp
smakit_house_markers.esp
blackmarketv2.esp
follower pack i.esp
nalliafollower.esp
marchanditinerant.esp
modruby.esp
eowyn.esp
paula_follower.esp
souljemmerchant.esp
modcaesar.esp
modelenay.esp
modorgok.esp
modxveyl.esp
arena_of_the_undead_by_fpsquadrasnipar.esp
enhancedhighhrothgarbymat.esp
s7oYzmirsBeard.esp
bloodskal blade improved.esp
white phial improved.esp
CrimsonDragonArmors.esp
PedsAutumnHome.esp
shadowmarks.esp
ktxcompleteskyforge.esp
gauldur amulet improved.esp
tbmchrysamere.esp
oblivion gates in cities.esp
mega mammoth.esp
dragonborndockmarkers.esp
moonandstar_undeath_compat.esp
montyxbanditset.esp
auryn.esp
PedsPlayerHFManakins.esp
PedsPlayerMaleManakins.esp
glassarmorrc.esp
gildergreen regrown.esp
hg.esp
realisticskoomamodv1.esp
longbowsperks.esp
ff_fantasyfollowers.esp
s7oVanWatch.esp
fieldlab.esp
snenorastrongheart.esp
naomi a gothic follower.esp
follower map marker-beacon version.esp
graesholt - arthurian easter eggs improved.esp
s7oCacheSacks.esp
werewolvesofskyrim.esp
LeonorVigilantStendarr.esp
shockssaltminesofskyrim.esp
Dragon Born Castle Kids.esp
JRCostaHFBards.esp
Extra Encounters Reborn - Dawnguard.esp
quest_pitfighter_dlc01.esp
modisabela.esp
modsusan.esp
restoration_spell resurrect.esp
tauriel.esp
abadassbabe.esp
private_nokillblur_test.esp
duckmod.esp
medusa armor.esp
mxschadenfreude.esp
00bettyboop.esp
mxdemonicarmoredhorse.esp
mxaequitas.esp
mxbluehorse.esp
mxsvaoilfari.esp
mxthunderdasharmored.esp
s7oSit.esp
mxdemonichorse.esp
mxgullfaxi.esp
mxharith.esp
mxorangehorseoffire.esp
mxrainbowdash.esp
mxskinfaxi&hrimfaxi.esp
pinkiepie.esp
moredragonloot.esp
mxruin.esp
mxskeletalfrostmane.esp
disintegratingaxe.esp
cicerodistancefix.esp
katia.esp
mx4hotaa.esp
wyrmstoothmapmarkerhotfix.esp
Mega Mudcrab.esp
montyxdg4hota.esp
mx4hota.esp
mxbloodfiendmane.esp
mxsiphan.esp
mxskeletalschadenfreude.esp
mxskeletalsvaoilfari.esp
lilithsdisemboweler.esp
lilithsslayer.esp
0k_interface.esp
2k_dds_carnivores.esp
2k_dds_elementals.esp
420_torch it.esp
archetypechest.esp
giantess.esp
modashlynrosesnowshimmer.esp
modbaileysnowshimmer.esp
modcalebryansnowshimmer.esp
modivysnowshimmer.esp
modbrogangracesnowshimmer.esp
modsaigecamillesnowshimmer.esp
TKChildren_V.esp
Cute Babette.esp
cyrodiilic_dwarvenarmors_by_dog.esp
decapitationgore texture replacer.esp
dogssilverarmor.esp
dragonchewtoy.esp
dragonpriestmasks_db.esp
elegant hands improved.esp
follower riddick werebear.esp
nocommentstupiddog.esp
PedsFxWeapons.esp
psiijicsilverblue.esp
realebonyarmory.esp
TKChildren_HF.esp
reeve.esp
sangreal.esp
scaled bracers fix.esp
spells fly forever.esp
tf2heavyeating.esp
undesperatehousewifelydia.esp
childskeletonfix.esp
TKChildren+3DNPC.esp
TKChildren_DB.esp

When you're done experimenting with these and got it as close as possible to the game I wanted to play, please copy-paste the new load order in the comments or upload it in any website of your choice and post the download link. :smile:

 

If someone wants to offer any advise to do this on my own, please explain in as much as you can on how to do it. I already know how to change load order, I just don't know what mods to put above or under another mod to make them all work correctly. I've watched hours of tutorial on YouTube and read a lot of guides to do this, so I don't think any advise can penetrate my skull armor and go inside my brain so that I can do all this work on my own but do try. :facepalm:

 

My internet connection is very slow and I have to pay a lot for the data pack. As you can imagine, I've spent a lot of money for the internet to download all of these mods, so please, anyone, help me to use as many of them as possible. I've spent more money in downloading the mods than I spent buying the whole TES collection. :ohdear:

 

(Not important) Little story behind it all for anyone who is interested in reading it: I've been playing Skyrim for a quite some time. Before Skyrim I had only played one RPG game (Darksiders 2), the game was good but I never liked any RPG games. One day I was purchasing games online and saw The Elder Scrolls: Anthology and Talos guided me to clicked the 'add to cart' button. I did not use console commands or any mods because I thought it would be cheating. I even walked 7000 steps while over encumbered, then my game crashed and I had to start walking again from that bridge. I first broke the rules of playing without "cheating" to complete the last achievement "Legend", defeat a legendary dragon. Then I started experimenting with console commands. And after a few days, discovered the world of Mods. :woot: Now I'm here!

 

Many thanks to anyone who has read this and is going to comment to guide me so that I can do it myself (75% chance is I can not). I don't know what to say or do to show appreciation to the person who actually accepts my request and does all this work for me. Sorry for any errors in the post, my English is not that good. :wub:

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I doubt anyone is going to do this work for you. Good luck tho....

 

That said, you have 555 ESP and ESM files. The game will only support 255 in total (including base & DLC), technically 254 because it reserves hex FF (255) for in-game created references. So the reason your game looks like crap is that you've over burdened the game and its only loading up to a limit before crapping out. You need to cut back on the number of ESP/ESM files. You may be able to merge some, but I cannot help with that.

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I'll try some tools to merge some of them, probably wouldn't be able to do it but will try of course. I'll also search for something to remove that limit although a few search results on google made it clear that it isn't possible. Thanks for your reply! :blush:

 

To anyone who wants to give it a try:

 

Try to add anything that matches my description on from #1 to #10. If it anything exceeds the limit, remove any mods of your choice (the ones you think isn't worth keeping) from #10. Thanks again.

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I'm using TES5Edit and xEdit Script to merge some plugins. :thumbsup: I've watched some long tutorials on YouTube on how to do it. I also ditched a lot of the mods and only picked the good ones to use (still 255+). I already merged a lot of the .esp files into one and they are working! I'll do it myself, it'll take a lot of time but I think I'll eventually make the perfect Skyrim for myself. :dance: It's fun and I'm learning something new on every step :tongue: maybe after all this, I'll try the Creation Kit. :devil:

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Without taking a deep look at your mod list I'll just give you this advice. Try cutting down your mod list to 1/3 of what it is at the moment. Only keep mods that improve your gaming experience, fix bugs or deal with things that don't feel alright in the vanilla game. Think about it. Do you really need that 1 mod that adds a new weapon, armor or gives one of the merchants a beard?

 

My general rules for sorting out mods are these:

-script heavy, known for causing stability problems? --> out

-abandoned by the mod author with major bugs left intact --> out

-needs tons of compatiblity patches for other mods? --> out

-takes away too much plugin space without providing a good amount of content? --> out

-reverts many fixes of the Unofficial Skyrim Patches (USLEEP) --> out (I usually end up fixing these things with Tes5Edit if it's not too much work)

 

 

And one more thing regarding merging plugins. I'd only merge those that are kinda small... and don't contain scripts. Also please make a documentation, where you write down which mods you merged, for later.

 

Modding is science, Skyrim is easy to break :wink:

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