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[Fritz Derochebruen]

Hey

I've been reading a lot of in-game books recently, and when I was reading History of the Empire V3, I found a very interesting name. Here's the fragment:

..."From out of a cimmerian nightmare" in the words of Eraintine, a man who called himself Camoran Usurper and led an army of Daedra and undead... - 3E 249

Well, it isn't an exact match witch Mankar Camoran, and he couldn't be 200 years old (I think), but could it be that Mankar Camoran is a distant relative of Camoran Usurper? Both battle the forces of the Empire, with help of Daedric forces.

Or could it be that Camoran Usurper was Mankar Camoran's idol? He did attack the empire, but eventually was defeated (the book doesn't say how, just that the empire did not have anything to do with it.) It seems there is another book "Fall of the Usurper" but I haven't found it yet. Has anyone else found it or found something related to this?

Cya

Fritz

[Abramul]

From "The Refugees":

"She was pregnant," Orben murmured again. "The mistress of the Camoran Usurper was pregnant."

Word quickly spread throughout the castle that the battle was over, and more than that, the war was over. Haymon Camoran's forces had been defeated at sea, and in the mountains. The Hart-King was dead.

Lukar watched down from the battlements into the dark woods that surrounded Dwynnen. He had heard about Kaalys, and he imagined a desperate woman fleeing with her newborn baby in her arms into the wilderness. Kaalys would have nowhere to go, no one to protect them. She and her baby would be a refugee, like Miak-I and him had been. Reflecting back, he remembered her words.

He is coming. He is coming, and he will bring death. He will destroy all.

Lukar remembered her eyes. She was sick, but not afraid. Who was this "He" who was coming if the Camoran Usurper was dead?

"Did she say nothing else?" asked Orben.

"She told me the baby's name," Rosayna replied. "Mankar."

The line between truth and fiction in the Elder Scrolls universe is often blurry.

[Fritz Derochebruen]

The line between truth and fiction in the Elder Scrolls universe is often blurry.

Wow, thanks! I'm going to look for that book at once!

cya

Fritz

[wasder]

Mankar Camoran wrote "Commentaries on the Mysterium Xarxes" 400 years ago. Funny argonian woman at the arcane university says the books are contempary with Tiber Septim 400 years ago.

[MrCooper2006]

Usurper is Mankors Father

[wasder]

Usurper is Mankors Father

Don't be so sure. About anything. Ever.
And it's Mankar, not Mankor.

Apparently this book implies him to be 200 years old, but the game actually says he's 400 years old. It would appear that Bethesda have made a mistake.

[XanAlderon]

WHY CAN MANKAR WEAR THE RED EMPEROR JEWEL THEN??

Distant blood relatives maybe?

[wasder]

Does he wear it? Oh yeah! I think he does! WTF!

[ub3rman123]

I believe there are two possibilities: Either
A. Mankar is the Camoran Usurper's son, kept alive by magical means, or
B. Mankar is not his direct son, but rather, 'Mankar' is a commonly passed name in his family. He could be the third, fourth, second, no idea.


Wish Oblivion had more info available on that.
-Sal

[ub3rman123]

And about the Amulet, I think there is a small chance he is of no relation to the Septims. He didn't wear it in Tamriel, but instead, in a world of his own making, Paradise, where he controls everything. Maybe he simply is unaffected by it's magic there.
-Sal