gjm777 Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 Just by rule the more you use the fan (say at 100%) it will degrade faster. As for underclocking the gpu, that is an option I suppose but I tried that in the past and it didn't work. I think what is happening to us is a CTD but instead of actually crashing to desktop, we are unlucky and the machine hangs instead of recovers. I have tried editing registry keys etc for the handling of this behavior to no avail. If we could find out why our machines don't CTD at least we might be able to spare having to hard reset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kleyton Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 Just by rule the more you use the fan (say at 100%) it will degrade faster. As for underclocking the gpu, that is an option I suppose but I tried that in the past and it didn't work. I think what is happening to us is a CTD but instead of actually crashing to desktop, we are unlucky and the machine hangs instead of recovers. I have tried editing registry keys etc for the handling of this behavior to no avail. If we could find out why our machines don't CTD at least we might be able to spare having to hard reset.Did you underclock the memory clock or the core clock and how much??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjm777 Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 I tried both, but I don't remember the exact amount. Either way, using the ENB anticrash patch, I still have yet to crash, I have even started a new game and put about 6 hours into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aerinqq Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 Setting the fan to 100% didnt help me, changing memory/core unfortunately doesnt help either...game crashes within 5 seconds immediately after load (save near whiterun blacksmith) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MingusTheMad Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 This is REALLY beginning to cheese me off. I have: Athlon XIII 440ASUS M4A88T-V EVO/USB3 motherboard8G of good _tested_ RAM A quick back story. I don't play games much. I got skyrim for Christmas, I love(d) it. I play games using my TV as a monitor, it's a good TV with DVI and HDMI input but it's too far from the PC for a DVI cable (trust me, this IS relevant). I tried playing Skyrim on my stock machine using the onboard HD 4250 as the graphics card. It was *SOLID AS A ROCK* and it could just about cope on minimum detail but not if there was a lot happening.... SOI found an Asus EN8600GT 256MB silent (no fan) and tried that. It was *SOLID AS A ROCK* and it could cope on medium detail but it's DVI out and I had to move the PC to get the cable to reach. SOI bought an ASUS HD 6770. New. I DO love Skyrim, the mountains are beautiful in high res. *IT FROZE MY SYSTEM* leaving my resetting or the system rebooting as my only option.I figured that maybe the PSU wasn't powerful enough. My case is mini ITX and a bigger PSU wouldn't fit so I bought a new case and a good 750W PSU. Tried Skyrim *IT FROZE MY SYSTEM*Maybe the transition from HD 4250 -> EN 8600GT -> HD 6770 had left my Windows drivers in a mess. No matter, I created a new 40G partition, re-installed Windows 7 and Skyrim. Tried Skyrim - *IT FROZE MY SYSTEM*Hmm, maybe the HD6770 is dodgy, took it back to the shop. They kindly gave me a replacement, still an HD6770 but different model. Installed. Tried Skyrim - *IT FROZE MY SYSTEM*OK, new PSU, new GPU, New install, Latest drivers. No joy, search the web some more. I find this HUGE thread. I've been through it, thank you to those who've posted and my commiserations to my fellow sufferers. I'ver tried: * A new PSU* Installing windows + patches + drivers + Skyrim anew* Disabling vsync (the iPresentInterval=0 "fix")* Disabling AA etc. in the game.* Running the game in XP compat mode.* Running the game with admin privileges* Deleting all but the last gamesave.* Deleting ALL my gamesaves and restarting.* Setting my sound O/P to 24 bit, 44100Hz and/or 16 bit, 44100Hz* Installing the 1.4 patch* Underclocking my new GPU* Setting my GPU fan to constant 100%* Installing the atiumdag.dll library as per the youtube vid.* Installing the enbdev antifreeze patch* Installing the ATI beta 12.2 drivers NOTHING WORKS! At _random_ times (mostly but not always outside or flipping from map/item/magic menu) my machine will die horribly or reboot after a back screen. I /think/ the beta ATI drivers have replaced "mostly total PC death" with mostly "Your video card has stopped responding and been reset" messages, after which I can sometimes save or even continue. But that's it. I've tried other games, 100% stability. I've tried the MSI Kombust test on my machine "Caution - this may cause damage to your hardware". The extreme test raises the temp on my GPU to around 70 degrees but runs solidly overnight. Outside of Skyrim my machine is as solid as the proverbial. Run Skyrim and it falls over. This isn't overheating, not lack of power, not graphics drivers. I have no idea what it is but in my case it's just skyrim and my RADEON HD 6770. If anyone has any suggestion as to anything else to try then let me know. Otherwise people - I know we're desperate here but there doesn't seem to be a fix. Me? I'll give it 48 hours for people to think of anything - really _anything_ else that I can try then I'm going to give up (I HATE giving up) and go back to medium res on a solid 8600GT card with the PC balanced on a shelf. M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aerinqq Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 (edited) Mingus: I tried most of the things you have listed and still no luck for me either...except my game is not crashing in ramdom location/when popping up the map/inv but always in certain locations...It just seems like the problem is deep within game engine itself...looks like its simply not compatible with some types of video cards. Simply put, Bethesda released a faulty product which doesnt work for many many ppl and they should just refund us for this.Whats rly shame is that the game is great othewise...but spending hours and hours trying to solve and issue which eventually turns out to be unsolvable is rly frustrating. Edited February 19, 2012 by aerinqq Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kleyton Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 This is REALLY beginning to cheese me off. I have: Athlon XIII 440ASUS M4A88T-V EVO/USB3 motherboard8G of good _tested_ RAM A quick back story. I don't play games much. I got skyrim for Christmas, I love(d) it. I play games using my TV as a monitor, it's a good TV with DVI and HDMI input but it's too far from the PC for a DVI cable (trust me, this IS relevant). I tried playing Skyrim on my stock machine using the onboard HD 4250 as the graphics card. It was *SOLID AS A ROCK* and it could just about cope on minimum detail but not if there was a lot happening.... SOI found an Asus EN8600GT 256MB silent (no fan) and tried that. It was *SOLID AS A ROCK* and it could cope on medium detail but it's DVI out and I had to move the PC to get the cable to reach. SOI bought an ASUS HD 6770. New. I DO love Skyrim, the mountains are beautiful in high res. *IT FROZE MY SYSTEM* leaving my resetting or the system rebooting as my only option.I figured that maybe the PSU wasn't powerful enough. My case is mini ITX and a bigger PSU wouldn't fit so I bought a new case and a good 750W PSU. Tried Skyrim *IT FROZE MY SYSTEM*Maybe the transition from HD 4250 -> EN 8600GT -> HD 6770 had left my Windows drivers in a mess. No matter, I created a new 40G partition, re-installed Windows 7 and Skyrim. Tried Skyrim - *IT FROZE MY SYSTEM*Hmm, maybe the HD6770 is dodgy, took it back to the shop. They kindly gave me a replacement, still an HD6770 but different model. Installed. Tried Skyrim - *IT FROZE MY SYSTEM*OK, new PSU, new GPU, New install, Latest drivers. No joy, search the web some more. I find this HUGE thread. I've been through it, thank you to those who've posted and my commiserations to my fellow sufferers. I'ver tried: * A new PSU* Installing windows + patches + drivers + Skyrim anew* Disabling vsync (the iPresentInterval=0 "fix")* Disabling AA etc. in the game.* Running the game in XP compat mode.* Running the game with admin privileges* Deleting all but the last gamesave.* Deleting ALL my gamesaves and restarting.* Setting my sound O/P to 24 bit, 44100Hz and/or 16 bit, 44100Hz* Installing the 1.4 patch* Underclocking my new GPU* Setting my GPU fan to constant 100%* Installing the atiumdag.dll library as per the youtube vid.* Installing the enbdev antifreeze patch* Installing the ATI beta 12.2 drivers NOTHING WORKS! At _random_ times (mostly but not always outside or flipping from map/item/magic menu) my machine will die horribly or reboot after a back screen. I /think/ the beta ATI drivers have replaced "mostly total PC death" with mostly "Your video card has stopped responding and been reset" messages, after which I can sometimes save or even continue. But that's it. I've tried other games, 100% stability. I've tried the MSI Kombust test on my machine "Caution - this may cause damage to your hardware". The extreme test raises the temp on my GPU to around 70 degrees but runs solidly overnight. Outside of Skyrim my machine is as solid as the proverbial. Run Skyrim and it falls over. This isn't overheating, not lack of power, not graphics drivers. I have no idea what it is but in my case it's just skyrim and my RADEON HD 6770. If anyone has any suggestion as to anything else to try then let me know. Otherwise people - I know we're desperate here but there doesn't seem to be a fix. Me? I'll give it 48 hours for people to think of anything - really _anything_ else that I can try then I'm going to give up (I HATE giving up) and go back to medium res on a solid 8600GT card with the PC balanced on a shelf. M I understand your frustration my friend i have sapphire hd 6770 and i have the same problem but i fixed it by underclocking my memory clock speed from 1200 to 1000 mhz i left the core clock as it is...I also have the hd 4650 and when i replace th 6770 with it the game runs fine without bsod i don't know wtf is happening with this game...Now with the underclocking the game is very stable and i also update to the high resolution pack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onemiguel Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 Mingus, I'm practically in the same boat as you, including the new hardware. But it's the software. The only way software can cause the issues we are seeing is if it has a severe memory allocation problem. I *think* the problem is with how the engine allocates memory to certain things. I have a save game file that ALWAYS crashes at the same place. One successful experiment was UNMAPPING FAVORITES and that seemed to work. Just go into spells, select Favorites and un favorite everything, same with weapons and armor. Then just add a few back. I can get past the crash area with ONLY THAT CHANGE. If you PM me, ill send you my save file to test with. Try cleaning up your inventory and favorites. Also if you have a ton of open quests, try clearing them out. Always start with a power off then boot to windows to ensure there is no GARBAGE in memory. Bethesda has said that certain actions in certain order could cause problems - they are trying to identify the root causes, but these things still happen. This would explain why a relative few of the millions are having the issues we are having. HTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yodaonthestreet Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 Just checking back in about the ENB patch. I've tried it, but after an hour or so it again crashed (in the Rift, which is one of the really frequent crash areas). All I did was extract the files to the Skyrim directory and edit the Skyrim.ini like I was instructed to. Is there anything else I can fiddle with on this ENB patch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwydiian Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 Same problem, but when the screen goes black I can still move around in game and open menus (I can hear this happening). I can also open task manager, but my video card seems to be disabled as my resolution and colors are all messed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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