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[sajuukkhar9000]

The thing is though the WGC wasn't enforced until the civil war started, many people were public Talos worshipers and never got dragged away, It was ONLY after Ulfirc started his little hissy fit that The Thalmor actually did anything about Talos worship.

Letting Hamerfell go WAS in it's best intrust. Southern Hammerfell was occupied by The Thalmor and The Empire could not do anything without breaking the WGC, letting Hammerfell go allowed both the Reguards the ability to reclaim southern Hammerfell without having to be attacked by The Legion in some peacekeeping war, and it prevented The Empire from being attacked by The thamor for violating the WGC. It was a win-win situation for both The Empire and Hammerfell but the redgaurds are to stupid to realize that.

You never see The Empire's main forces in Skyrim, in fact General Tullias mentions at least once that he is angry he cant get more troops because most of them are being stationed along the border with The Dominon. Had the Empire devoted its full force the war would have been over quickly but Titus Mede and his generals are smart enough to elize keeping the border with the Dominion secure is more important.

[Linsolv]

The thing is though the WGC wasn't enforced until the civil war started, many people were public Talos worshipers and never got dragged away, It was ONLY after Ulfirc started his little hissy fit that The Thalmor actually did anything about Talos worship.

Letting Hamerfell go WAS in it's best intrust. Southern Hammerfell was occupied by The Thalmor and The Empire could not do anything without breaking the WGC, letting Hammerfell go allowed both the Reguards the ability to reclaim southern Hammerfell without having to be attacked by The Legion in some peacekeeping war, and it prevented The Empire from being attacked by The thamor for violating the WGC. It was a win-win situation for both The Empire and Hammerfell but the redgaurds are to stupid to realize that.

You never see The Empire's main forces in Skyrim, in fact General Tullias mentions at least once that he is angry he cant get more troops because most of them are being stationed along the border with The Dominon. Had the Empire devoted its full force the war would have been over quickly but Titus Mede and his generals are smart enough to elize keeping the border with the Dominion secure is more important.

Can you prove this? There's no reason to assume this, since the WGC was signed 20 years before the game began, and Skyrim is 200 years after Oblivion.

[sajuukkhar9000]

Can you prove this? There's no reason to assume this, since the WGC was signed 20 years before the game began, and Skyrim is 200 years after Oblivion.

Can I prove it? It has already been proven by dialog from the game, I don't know what I need to prove.


Like I said before
-Tullius says most of the Empire's forces are at the dominion's border
-Hammefells success against The thalmor shows that letting them go was better for them
-Many people in skyrim make mention of worshiping Talos openly before the civil war began and not getting dragged off

Edited by sajuukkhar9000, 20 January 2012 - 04:06 PM.

[Linsolv]

@Sajuukkhar9000: I'm sorry I should've been more specific both in what I quoted, and in what I asked, I was referring ONLY to the claim that people were worshiping Talos openly before the Civil War, but after the WGC. Other than the crier in Whiterun, I don't know anyone who mentions openly worshipping Talos. I'm not doubting that there are people, but I'm somewhat of a skeptic on all counts. Therefor, could you be more specific about which NPCs claim that before the civil war, they were able to worship Talos, so that I might find them in-game and educate myself more fully on the issue?

[Lachdonin]

@Sajuukkhar9000: I'm sorry I should've been more specific both in what I quoted, and in what I asked, I was referring ONLY to the claim that people were worshiping Talos openly before the Civil War, but after the WGC. Other than the crier in Whiterun, I don't know anyone who mentions openly worshipping Talos. I'm not doubting that there are people, but I'm somewhat of a skeptic on all counts. Therefor, could you be more specific about which NPCs claim that before the civil war, they were able to worship Talos, so that I might find them in-game and educate myself more fully on the issue?

The only time i know of where it is expressly stated is by Hadvar, if you side with him during the escape from Helgin. Other than that, there is a lot of insinuation, but Hadvar is the only one who directly says it.

[thesapien]

It just seem much ado about nothing. Does Talos even want to be worshiped? If he does, to oblivion with him. I like to think he's beyond that ambition. None of my Dovakiins worship any gods. Only the unworthy go around worshiping the unworthy.
Granted, my Dovakiin is on the similar path as taken by Talos, to graduate from Nirn, so would probably worship herself before Talos.

[thesapien]

Does anyone else suspect that the Thalmor had decided that Ulfric would make a better asset if he were turned into a martyr?

[Linsolv]

No, and now that you mention it, I still don't. Not to be rude; only slightly cheeky.

He's an asset in the spy-game sense. An "asset" isn't something you trot out to the public, it's someone who owes you a favor.

Edited by Linsolv, 25 January 2012 - 12:11 AM.

[Lachdonin]

He's an asset in the spy-game sense. An "asset" isn't something you trot out to the public, it's someone who owes you a favor.

Or someone who can be easily manipulated. Asset can mean many things, the least of which is him owing them a favor. For all we know it could mean he is magically subverted to bow to the Thalmor under a particular circumstance or in the presence of a particular individual. It could jsut as likely mean that the Thalmor know he'll be goaded into a doomed frontal attack. We simply don't know what the context of the term 'Asset' is in with regards to Ulfric.

Edited by Lachdonin, 25 January 2012 - 12:32 AM.

[Linsolv]

He's an asset in the spy-game sense. An "asset" isn't something you trot out to the public, it's someone who owes you a favor.

Or someone who can be easily manipulated. Asset can mean many things, the least of which is him owing them a favor. For all we know it could mean he is magically subverted to bow to the Thalmor under a particular circumstance or in the presence of a particular individual. It could jsut as likely mean that the Thalmor know he'll be goaded into a doomed frontal attack. We simply don't know what the context of the term 'Asset' is in with regards to Ulfric.

Yeah, I mean you're right. But my point was simply that being some sort of public symbol for the cause is [most likely] not an "asset" in the sense that they used it.