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[Maskar]

Who's really going to care if anyone would block the donation messages? Just do it and move on imo.

[Quetzlsacatanango]

Who's really going to care if anyone would block the donation messages? Just do it and move on imo.

Good motto for this entire discussion!

[lthot]

@ tunaisafish:

You did assume I was blocking ads of this web site with an ad-blocker while WARNING me to clarify myself, while I was the one standing against the use of such a tool. I said I don't use an ad-blocker and I elaborated myself and my reason why I think it is wrong to use such tool. Ads are one thing - already bad enough and I personally don't use such tools - but completely removing site functions with said tool is something totally different. I personally would not hesitate to ban anyone from my communities if I learned they'd remove site functions - whether they use them or not - with a tool like that.

@ all:

Anyway, about the actual discussion about people who are against the donation system. It is clear even with my many attempts to do so, I won't make you people change your minds. I'm withdrawing from this discussion - it's getting a bit too warm in here, people suddenly start personal attacks. Not what I signed up for when I entered this discussion.

Edited by lthot, 15 March 2012 - 06:08 PM.

[tunaisafish]

Thanks for clarifying. So all along you didn't really mind that people were hiding the functions, but it was just the tool that you disliked

I'm just kidding you now. I think there's a language barrier in the mix here too.

Edited by tunaisafish, 15 March 2012 - 06:34 PM.

[barrettsfloyd]

It is low, as it is a function that has been added for a reason. As mentioned previously, if you don't want to donate it's as simple as not doing it. It's NOT affecting your browsing abilities of this site. I certainly hope anyone openly admitting they're hiding functions from this website (ads are one thing - but site functions are another) get banned. It shouldn't be a "choice" to hide side functions from websites with an ad blocker.

I pay my way around here mister. Notice the Premium tag under to my name? I don't see one under yours. Hiding an element of this site that I don't like or agree with most certainly is not low, not when I pay my way around here. I might've agreed with you had it been about non premium members using ad blockers, which does happen everyday, but you didn't say that. You made a personal attack against me and anyone else who chooses to use these tools to hide things that we don't wish to see. Time to get off your high horse.

If I want to use an ad blocker or an elemental blocker to hide aspects of any site I don't like or agree with, that is my choice, not yours...and it is most definitely not your place to judge me either. I will leave that to administration.

[lthot]

I'm not policing anybody here while I don't expect anyone with exception of the administration to police me either. It's obvious there's a language barrier as I'm not a native speaker and is unable to 100% express my thoughts and feelings through translation.
Oh, and tunaisafish, while you say you're just kidding - you're still hitting below the belt here. I never ever said I used ad blockers nor did I say it's just the tool I dislike. I dislike the idea of abusing such tool though.

Don't pull the premium or supporter card on me. While I haven't (yet) donated to Nexus I've been a dedicated user here for ~10 years (yes I do have an old account). I release my mods here for people to use and do in that way support the community as well. Once I get my economy stable I'll support this Dark0ne's sites where I've been a member for so long with my donations, just like I'll support the modders I personally think deserve a modest one.

I do not think it is proper nor respectful to hide site functions from Nexus, just because it's an eye sore for you. I don't understand your logic or reason in doing so either - it is completely pointless if you're not going to press the thing anyway. Please realize that my opinion is completely subjective and is just MY opinion, an opinion I'm entitled to have and stated here in the hopes that this would be taken into consideration. As I said, I would personally swing the banhammer on my community if somebody openly admitted they hid some of my site functions with the simple reason that they "don't like it". I never said it was MY choice - I just hope the administration will take this into consideration.

I've expressed myself way more than necessary. But I withdraw from this discussion now and hope it gave at least some people something to think about.

[barrettsfloyd]

I don't understand your logic or reason in doing so either

because it's my computer, my choice, and my business what I do with it, not yours. If I choose not to look at that blight, that's my business. Get off your high horse, you're no more special around here than any other member here.

You don't like ad blockers? Congratulations, you must like viruses, adware, and spyware then. My choice in using an ad blocker is mainly one from a security standpoint, and for the element hider, that's my choice and my business. I only brought it up as an alternative to those like me that don't want to see that donate button. I chose instead of continuing to complain about, to actually do something about it, so back off pal.

[lthot]

Good for you, champ.
I'm happy you can let out some steam.

I never said I don't like ad-blockers. I said I don't like the misuse of such a tool. Like the way you misuse it. I have proper tools for taking care of virus, ad- and spyware and haven't had any such in the past 7 years because of my awareness and tools. Ad-blockers are not such a tool...

Again, whatever you do with your ad-blocker is up to you. I stated my subjective opinion (note OPINION) that your so-called solution is to me a misuse of such a tool. Even further, I don't think it is okay to encourage other people to do the same. In fact, I think everybody would be better off, if you'd just kept your mouth shut.

There's nothing to complain about the donate function - it's as simple as not pressing the button and "hacking" the browser to hide such function is NOT the solution.

I never said I was special. You on the other hand did, drawing the "premium" tag on me - thinking that makes you special...

Edited by lthot, 15 March 2012 - 09:58 PM.

[barrettsfloyd]

I have proper tools for taking care of virus, ad- and spyware . Ad-blockers are not such a tool........

............As do I. Ad Block Plus is just another layer of protection (even if it's only a little bit)

Again, whatever you do with your ad-blocker is up to you. I stated my subjective opinion (note OPINION) that your so-called solution is to me a misuse of such a tool. Even further, I don't think it is okay to encourage other people to do the same. In fact, I think everybody would be better off, if you'd just kept your mouth shut.......

............My so called misuse of a tool is my choice to do with as I see fit...something you still haven't seemed to grasped the concept of

There's nothing to complain about the donate function - it's as simple as not pressing the button and "hacking" the browser to hide such function is NOT the solution.


............If I don't like it, then I disagree, there is something to complain about. Will it get that function removed? Doubtful, but I am still allowed to express my opinions here just the same as everyone else. Simply not pressing the button is no solution. If I take issue with it being there as prominent as it is, then I will do everything within reason to remove the offending element [/color]

I never said I was special. You on the other hand did, drawing the "premium" tag on me - thinking that makes you special...

....... stating that using an ad blocker here is low is heavily implying that you think I'm a freeloader here, which I am not...I pay my way around here. Thought that I might point that out to you.

Honestly though, all this has really gotten a bit out of hand here. I've never wanted anybody here to think that I don't appreciate and respect what the modders around here do to help make our games better than they already are. I do respect and appreciate what is done around here by the modding community, I just don't see the point in adding money into the equation.

Enough said, can we move on now and quit griping at each other for having differing opinions on what is acceptable and what isn't?

[lthot]

I'm personally waiting for the administration to point out whether they think what you do is okay or not. I am/was not expecting you to explain yourself. That was my only intention, not for you to snap at me for stating my opinion about it.

We could on the other hand had to go to extreme examples: You want to be able to hide the donate function - maybe even without an ad-blocker. If such function eventually found it's way to this site I would accept it and support the idea, but not personally use it myself (nor hide it with an ad-blocker). I would wish though (only wish thinking here) that another function would be added to the site to let us modders choose to hide our mods from people who decided to hide the donate button. While it's completely up to each and everyone if they DO want to donate, I'd be more comfortable knowing that anyone downloading my mods could donate to me, if felt necessary - and haven't already limited themselves from that option by disabling the donate button.

And before anybody gets the wrong idea - no, I never asked for donations before. I even looked the other way when a fan of my mods would offer me one, as I was sure it was against site rules. Now that the function have been added here, I enabled that function - but do not encourage anyone to use it, it is 100% free will. I never started modding for money, but I'm comfortable knowing the function is in my mod pages as it's supposed to, not hidden by an ad-blocker. Whether or not you understand that is irrelevant, but I hope you'd eventually open your eyes and understand.

It's getting late and I'm going to bed. I hope when I wake up tomorrow we're all on the same level and have buried the hatchet meanwhile. If not.. well, let's just say I'm tired of feeding...

Edited by lthot, 15 March 2012 - 11:16 PM.