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[Chrjs09]

Hello everybody!

First things first, I apologize if my sentences aren't 100% correct - I don't speak english natively.

I've come over a little problem near Riften. Everytime I travel (no fast-travel!) south/southwest of Rifton (especially near Goldenglow Estate) my Skyrim crashes to desktop without any message or whatsoever.
Fast Traveling still works without any problems. The savestate that I am using is the one I played the most - up to 180 hours playtime (a detail that may be important to solve my problem?).
The thing is - while I have my ~60 mods activated, the sudden crashes near Riften occur every time. The moment I deactivated all of them no crashes kicked me out of the game at all!
I can't think of any mod in my list that particularly affects this area nor have I come over the CTD in any other area of Skyrim.
When using BOSS, no conflicting mods were detected.
Out of interest I started a whole new Character (with the same mods activated as before) and traveled through the area near Goldenglow Estate everything worked fine!

With this I hope that anyone of you can help me with my little problem - it must have to do with my active mods, but not ONLY with them. It isn't game-breaking, but I think that everybody understands that I want my game CTD-free^^

Greetings and thanks to anyone willing to help

[thekineticeffect]

Well this is convenient. I have the exact same problem around the exact same area! Almost any quest mod I add seems to trigger it. Try removing Moonpath to Elsewhere, No Mercy Quest, the mod that adds lamps to roads, and any mods that add new dungeons. Here is my load order, if you want to compare. Could you please post yours as well?:

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Skyrim.esm
Update.esm
JSwords.esm
ApachiiHair.esm
BlackTowerArmory.esm
WinterholdDestruction.esm
RaceCompatibility.esm
betterquestobjectives.esp
portal2mod.esp
ScoutArmor.esp
Darkwindv1.esp
black mage armor.esp
Masters of Death - Sicarius Armor (Standalone).esp
Proper Aiming.esp
FS_ExorcizamusTe.esp
FS_SwordOfTheSeeker.esp
FS_EveningStar.esp
StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp
MidasSkyrim.esp
Beautiful Whiterun.esp
RealisticWhiterun.esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp
uniqueleveleditemsupgrade1dot3.esp
GDRangerArmor.esp
WATER.esp
WATER - Get Wet.esp
AVI custom nightingale.esp
TeraHairWeightFix.esp
Acquisitive Soul Gems.esp
Facelight.esp
dovahkiinrelax.esp
EarRingHelmets.esp
Field Mage Outfit.esp
magicmoonsp.esp
Phenderix's Magic Evolved.esp
spellsneak.esp
Unique Region Names.esp
RoyalMageRobes.esp
Karliah2CBBE3ByNausicaa.esp
AncientNordLight.esp
UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp
Pupetteer Master.esp
RavenousEleganceByNausicaa.esp
test hairs.esp
Annael.esp
Neo's Oriental Dress.esp
Auto Unequip Arrows.esp
BlackSacramentArmor.esp
TrissArmorRetextured.esp
Balanced_Magic_Adept.esp
Balanced_Destruction_No_Armor_Penalties.esp
Balanced_Alteraton_No_Armor_Penalties.esp
SMSkyrim.esp
Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp
R18Pn - Leere Armor.esp
R18Pn - Inner Wear Set.esp
FionaOutfit.esp
TribalGlass.esp
TeraCastanicFArmors.esp
TeraHEFArmors.esp
SunnieTracerArrows2_5.esp
Arrowsmith.esp
Explosive Arrows.esp
OrientalRace.esp
Different Invisibility Effects plus Eyes Fix - Chameleon Version.esp
AviFollower.esp
AviEnchTrans.esp
Remodeled Armor.esp
StaffOfMagnusFix.esp
ExpandedWinterholdRuins.esp
LovelyHairstyles.esp
Armor_Tera_HmF_L18.esp
LightningArmor13-2.esp
Daedric Extra Armor.esp
AviAutoPerks.esp
BFSEffects.esp
Animated Weapon Enchants.esp
Crimson Tide - Blood.esp
The Asteria - Dwemer Airship.esp

With only those mods active, I did not have the problem. I found the problem to be caused when adding Moonpath to Elsewhere, No Mercy Quest, Lanterns on the Roads, and/or Milan's Dungeon Pack. Perhaps one of the mods in my load order is conflicting with these mods and causing problems. Since you have the same problem, maybe we can isolate it.

EDIT: Extra info: my save has ~160 hours on it.

[Chrjs09]

Hello thekineticeffect and thanks for helping me

These are the mods that I'm using right now:

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Skyrim.esm
Update.esm
Deus Mons.esm
Lycanthropy_Audio_by_Brevi.esm
KeeningFix.esp
ShadowStripingFix.esp
Dark Dungeons for ENB.esp
StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp
Arrows of Magicka.esp
BetterArchmagesRobes.esp
dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
Dr_Bandolier.esp
Lanterns Of Skyrim - Around Cities.esp
Lanterns Of Skyrim - Bridges x2 - OnOff.esp
SabreFurBag.esp
Syynx Stubborn Skeletons.esp
Auto Unequip Arrows.esp
IMAGINATOR - Visual Control for Skyrim.esp
Berserk Black Swordsman Armor.esp
Cloaks.esp
1nivWICCloaks.esp
1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp
DCSorceress.esp
DwarvenMech.esp
Dwemer Scouter.esp
Northborn Fur Hoods.esp
EinherjarArmor.esp
FaalSizaan.esp
FS_SwordOfTheSeeker.esp
gun.esp
isilNarsil.esp
LeatherBackpack-100.esp
LFArmors.esp
Iorveth.esp
NightsWatchArmor.esp
SabreCat_Gear.esp
ScoutArmor.esp
TH3WICK3D1-NorthernKingdomsHeavyPlate.esp
VanguardArmor.esp
warmagearmor.esp
Beautiful Whiterun.esp
Deus Mons_WithNPCs.esp
hg.esp
RealisticWhiterun.esp
RiversideLodge.esp
riverwoodhuntingcabin.esp
SeabreezeEstate.esp
armored-horses.esp
AT - Loot Arrows +25%.esp
AT - Faster Arrows Improved +100%.esp
Better Dynamic Snow.esp
WATER.esp
WATER - Get Wet.esp
Lycanthropy_Main_by_Brevi.esp
Werewolf Loot - ToL compatible.esp
PowerMasterTheTimeAndSpace.esp
dovahkiinrelax.esp
Balanced_Alteraton.esp
Balanced_Conjuration.esp
Balanced_Destruction.esp
Balanced_Illusion.esp
Balanced_Restoration.esp
Balanced_Magic_Adept.esp
Aelafacelift.esp
Dimensional House.esp
Frostmourne 1.0.1.esp
Werehide.esp

I already tried to turn off Lanterns for bridges/cities, but the crash still ocurred.
I will try to turn off every mod that adds an location and see if my problem's still there, but it seems that I have none of the mods you mentioned

I think that I remember reading somewhere that Riften is the most bugged area in Skyrim - but I really don't think it's from the game itself, it has to be a something inbetween my Mods and my Save^^

[thekineticeffect]

Hi, from what I understand, the cause may be related to the navmesh bug. Maybe since it does not crash with a new game, a fix I have heard of may be to wait in an indoor location (best a vanilla home) for 31 in game days. I'm gonna try it myself to see if it fixes the crashing

[Chrjs09]

I once tried to wait circa 10 days inside of breezehome, but that didn't help at all
I deactivated some (okay nearly all) of my house mods - DimensionalHouse.esp, RiversideLodge.esp, RiverwoodHuntigCabin.esp, SeabreezeEstate.esp today.
Up to now Skyrim dind't CTD juste once when I traveled near Riften .
Lanterns for Cities and Bridges are enabled and work, and DeusMons (I really thought/"hoped" this one caused it) is activated, too.
I will now try through the Housemods and see if one of them causes the problem, or if two of them are conflicting.
I'll be sure to post my results here as soon as possible^^

[thekineticeffect]

I've heard house mods are significant contributing factors to CTDs because of the navmesh bug, so I suspect one of them will trigger crashing.

[Chrjs09]

Okay - I really don't know what did the trick, but the CTDs around Riften have disappeared now!
I have almost every of my mods active which is interesting because I was SO sure that one of them caused the problem
It must be something that I've done, but I really can't think of the last, final thing that helped

MAYBE it has to do with the Navmesh Bug you spoke of - each of my house mods that I reactivated was reset completely (losing everytthing that was inside of them, but that's okay ^^' )

So, all in all, everythings fine now and I'm happy with my beloved Skyrim save!

I appreciate the help, thekineticeffect, and wish you a CTD-free future

[Tok84]

WHICH HOUSE MODS did you activate again? Please link them, i want to try that.

I had a breezehome and proudspire manor mod, but they didn't "clean" my place up. I actually would love to get rid of all the stuff stored in breezehome and proudspire manor. Another bad thing is that i added stuff by using the console (player.placeatme ....)that got placed in breezehome "in between". Now i hear it rambling and rumbling like it's still about to fall on the floor but stuck somewhere. Kind of like my breezehome is haunted...
So if this won't help with my Goldenglow/Riften problem i have a tidy spook-free house again at least.

[Chrjs09]

Sorry to dissapoint you, Tok84, but I can't help you with cleaning the stuff out of Vanilla Homes because I almost never use them (I like House Mods more and use them frequently, and to reset those you just have to deactivate, make a clean save with a long time waited inside a cell and activate them again)
The only house I used was Hjerim, and except early problems with the mannequins in there there were no other issues.
The House mods I deactivated are all in that list I posted above, and after I deleted Deus Mons (that one just caused too much problems), went with the "clean" save into breezehome to waited several days to make a save, I activated every other house mod again (except Deus Mons of course) and they were all reset inside - I don't have any problems near Riften anymore, but I can't say for sure that this solved the problem.
Just as I said above :

Okay - I really don't know what did the trick, but the CTDs around Riften have disappeared now!
I have almost every of my mods active which is interesting because I was SO sure that one of them caused the problem
It must be something that I've done, but I really can't think of the last, final thing that helped

Anyway, I hope that you can solve your problems near Riften and maybe find a way to reset Vanilla Homes in another Thread

[MysticRunner]

I've had the problem of having CTD near Riften for a long time now. I am playing the game in Windowed mode now, and that has fixed it so far. However, the cause is still present, and I think I may have found it. See image:

http://i406.photobuc...nShot19_Fix.png

Edited by MysticRunner, 30 July 2012 - 04:53 AM.