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[etang2]

Draugr. The one of the staple enemies in Skyrim. What game can consider itself a RPG without some good ole undead?
But I noticed something.
Draugr, according to some sources and in fact, suggested by the dev team themselves, Draugr worshiped the dragons and were punished with undeath.
Thing is, Olaf One eyes, captured and slayed a dragon in Dragons Reach. Later, on a bards college mission, you encounter him, as a Draugr.
Is it possible that Olaf One-Eyed was infact the great cover up that The Bards suggested, that the tale is a lie and that he made a pact with the dragon and was cursed with undeath? If so, whos skull hangs from the Dragons Reach wall?

[sajuukkhar9000]

The concept of draugr, at least in the Elder Scrolls series, goes back to the Bloodmoon expansion, long before the Dragon-War thing existed. While many of the draugr we meet in Skyrim are most likely dragon cultists, it is entirely possible that some of them are not, and are just walking corpses that haven't decayed into skeletons fully yet.

Olaf being a draugr doesn't necessarily mean he was a Dragon-cultist, especially considering he lived in the first Era, LONG after the Dragon-Cult was dead and gone, nor does it mean he made a deal with a dragon, as people can become draugrs without doing so.

It is entirely possible the bard conspiracy is right, but Olaf being a draugr doesn't provide any evidence of that.

Also given that Olaf One eye himself says, when you talk to him in Sovngarde, that he wishes the bard to join him in the Hall of Valor, makes me belive he does not harbor any hatred for the bard as history suggests he did, casting further doubt on the subject.

Edited by sajuukkhar9000, 24 May 2012 - 08:52 AM.

[etang2]

The other concept is that Olaf and Olaf Sovengard are in fact two different entities and the Olaf in the Bards quest is completely.
On the contray, Olaf being a Draugr provides plenty of evidence, cirmcimstantual, admittedly.
The Bard conspiracy suggests that Olaf made a deal to secure his name in History as a dragon capturer, that he infact never engaged combat with the dragon, Numinrex.
The Draugr concept in Skyrim suggests that the Draugr were outsiders of the Dragon Cult and they were cursed with undeath for their treachery.
Jusst read something incredibly interesting, Draugr is actually dervived from the real Norse word, Draugn, meaning walking again.... thats familiar.

[sajuukkhar9000]

I am interested in hearing about how they are supposedly two different beings.

Both the Draugr Olaf, and the Sovngarde Olaf, know of, and react to, the bard Svaknir.

[etang2]

Ive read plenty of articles suggesting that they are not the same Olaf, they have mild physical appearances that are changed from Draugr to Sovengard version.

"The two versions of King Olaf, as honored dead and as Draugr, are quite dissimilar in many ways. They have different hair colors, with Olaf's spirit having black hair and the Draugr having brownish. The style of their facial hair is also different, the Draugr version sporting a braided beard and the spirit Olaf bearing long mustaches. And lastly, their armor is different, the Draugr Olaf wearing customary ancient Nord armor, while the spirit form is clad in steel plate armor. Additionally, the Draugr version has two fully intact, identical eyes, albeit one being lit like standard Draugr and the other being unlit like dead Draugr. "
From the USEP Wiki.

But then, another theory presented is that Olaf was in fact a dragon in human form, which may be true, suggessting that Olaf is one of the Dovahkiin.

[sajuukkhar9000]

All of those physical differences can be boiled down to "Bethesda is lazy and just copy-pastad a normal draugr, renamed it, and give it different stats."

Ulfgar The Unending doesn't look the same in Skyrim as he did in Morrowind, having grown facial hair, and wearing different armor.

Also being a Dovahkiin does not mean one can transform into a dragon, I think you meant to say Olaf is one of the Dovah.

Edited by sajuukkhar9000, 24 May 2012 - 09:44 AM.

[etang2]

No. I meant what I meant. He was a dragon. Thats what a Dovahkiin is. A dragon in a humans body. The huan embodiment of a dragon. Dohavkiin means dragon born. I never suggested he could transform into a dragon... XD

[sajuukkhar9000]

No. I meant what I meant. He was a dragon. Thats what a Dovahkiin is. A dragon in a humans body. The huan embodiment of a dragon. Dohavkiin means dragon born. I never suggested he could transform into a dragon... XD

Being a Dovahkiin means you have a dragon's soul but a mortal body, it does not mean you are a dragon, as you do not possess the Dragon's immortality, their existence outside of normal-time, and many other things.

You are still a Nord/Argonian/Kahjiit etc. etc.

However you could turn into a dragon if you became Akatosh like Martin did, but thats another thing in itself.

Edited by sajuukkhar9000, 24 May 2012 - 09:55 AM.

[etang2]

Yeah, okay, i dont want this to turn into a philispohical debate, because there is some complex speculation on what makes a living organism, biological matter or the concept of a soul.
Anyway, this was fun, you were a worthy opponent
By the way, had this guy this morning telling me Humans weren't on the top of the food chain, what are, coincidently, youre thoughts on this statement?

[sajuukkhar9000]

Yeah, okay, i dont want this to turn into a philispohical debate, because there is some complex speculation on what makes a living organism, biological matter or the concept of a soul.
Anyway, this was fun, you were a worthy opponent
By the way, had this guy this morning telling me Humans weren't on the top of the food chain, what are, coincidently, youre thoughts on this statement?

I dont think there is any ONE thing on top of the food chain myself, Humans are one of the things at the top, but the top isn't inhabited by ONE thing.