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[BS375]

? darkwater no ! you cam from the Palepass there are two castel in this direction and a Holycave.
Look to ulfric and you see where you come from. i dont think there nock you out for more when 3 hours.

Edited by BS375, 15 June 2012 - 06:41 PM.

[fraquar]

Not talking about the direction of the wagon, talking about where Ralof said we were captured (2 days earlier). True, the two don't seem to make a whole lot of sense as you'd basically have to journey through an entire Stormcloak friendly hold with their leader in tow to get to allied territory.

My guess is every Stormcloak encampment would be alerted to Ulfric's movements; where he's going, route of travel, when he's expected to arrive - your leader just doesn't wander off with a skirmish party in the middle of a Civil War on a whim.

[BS375]

ok the germany vision ther dont say that. no ponit of where or when it was. strange thing.....
i listen to the beginning after new install of skyrim (3 times) and start new today.

[fraquar]

Actually, I think he mentions Darkwater Crossing when talking to Gerdur/Hod in Riverwood. It's been a while since I've went through the beginning.

[flobalob]

That bit about Darkwater Crossing alway struck me as a bit odd myself, if you were caught crossing the border near anywhere you would have expected it to be near either Riften or Falkreath or possibly Helgen, though for the latter you enter the town through the wrong gate.

[kevkiev]

Actually, I think he mentions Darkwater Crossing when talking to Gerdur/Hod in Riverwood. It's been a while since I've went through the beginning.

It's been a while for me too, but I think that's it.

[breakwind]

I always thought that you were caught crossing the border into Skyrim is more logical, as you are treated as an outsider during the game and have to have even recent events explained to you...even if your character is a Nord

[imperistan]

More than likely, what happened is you crossed into Skyrim from either Cyrodiil or Morrowind, and then got caught up at the ambush at Darkwater Crossing as you were apparently making your way across Skyrim.

It still doesn't make much sense though that the ambush was able to happen where it did. It was fairly deep in Stormcloak territory so unless that entire section of the Rift/Falkreath hold border was devoid of Stormcloak patrols, its doubtful that it could have actually happened. Unless, the operation was more covert rather than an open ambush. While the prisoner train we're in at the beginning of the game may have been consistent of Tullius and some armed soldiers, we don't know what the actual ambush force was. It could very well have happened in the night and, as we already know there wasn't that much of a fight (Ulfric ordered his men to surrender), its quite possible that the ambush may not have caused a stir.

[BS375]

ok i have the map on my wall, and i don´t see a street to cyrodill. but the palpass is on the map all so on the tes 4 map (next to tes 5 map).
So falkenreath street go to hammerfall, rifton street to morrowind ?
only pale pass left to cyrodill. mhh ????
i think we can not answer were the ambush was and were we cross the boarder.

[BrettM]

Unless they were willing to go cross-country, which is probably not a good idea for a small party of guards with the organization's top commander, the Stormcloaks would have to pass somewhere near Darkwater Crossing if traveling between Windhelm and the Falkreath Stormcloak camp east of Helgen. Darkwater seems to be a natural choke point unless you're willing to travel far out of the way and head down towards Riften before cutting west. However, a longer journey means more time exposed to the hazards of travel.

The Rift is Stormcloak-friendly, so there aren't large numbers of Stormcloak troops hanging around there. They're needed out where the fighting is taking place, in the Falkreath and Whiterun camps. There is no Rift Stormcloak camp, but there is an Imperial camp south of Ivarstead and one in Eastmarch close to the Morrowind border. We know that the Imps staged a successful raid on Shor's Watchtower, probably out of the Eastmarch camp, which is far deeper in Stormcloak territory than Darkwater Crossing.

A bigger question is why Ulfric was traveling anywhere at that point in the campaign. Why wasn't he sitting tight in Windhelm? Bad intelligence? Did he not know that the Imps had established those camps in friendly territory?