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[breakwind]

I don't class Alduin as a 'god', and as for him being dead, well going by the little scene at the Throat Of The World at the end of the main quest, I don't think the dragons think he is still alive anymore. His soul? Who knows, maybe Akatosh reclaims it as that is where it came from. In any case I don't think Alduin is in any condition to swallow the world, so we will never know

[sajuukkhar9000]

Alduin is an aspect of Akatosh, to call him not a god is to call Akatosh not a god.

As for Alduin's return, should the mortals of Nirn fail to find CHIM, Akatosh will release Alduin to destroy the world, as he has done time and time again. The Kalpa only continues because Akatosh still has some hope for this version.

Edited by sajuukkhar9000, 30 July 2012 - 02:45 AM.

[Relativelybest]

I seriously doubt it. Despite the mythology surrounding him, Alduin was still just a dragon, albeit a very powerful dragon. You could still hit him with a sword and do damage, and aside from his thu'ums he didn't have any godlike powers.

Most Daedric Princes can't even be fought. Mehrunes Dagon was impossible to damage, and attacking Sheogorath instantly resulted in you getting your medieval ass teleported into the sky and falling to your death. As far as I know, the only Daedric Prince you can actually defeat in combat was Jyggalag, and he was probably nowhere near his true strenght at that point.

You are aware Alduin was the being that turned Dagon into what he is. Dagon's current form is the result of Alduin eating him and placing a curse on him.

Alduin is stronger then Dagon in lore.

So what? The lore says a lot of crazy and often contradicting stuff. Most of it is actual legends and myths in the context of the setting, not an accurate and reliable transcription of what really happened. The lore also says Malacath was created when Boethiah ate Trinimac, a story Malacath himself considers "far too literal minded."

In the actual games, it took direct divine intervention -a literal miracle- to stop Dagon because there was absolutely nothing the mortals could do to him when he manifested, whereas I didn't even need my best gear to stab Alduin to death at Master difficulty.

Also how is being able to eat the entire planet, and end time itself, not a god-like power?

Again, the lore probably shouldn't be taken literally. That could just as well be a poetic way of saying Alduin is meant to destroy the established societies, or that he "eats the world" in a symbolical sense by marking the end of the particular era he appears in.

Edited by Relativelybest, 30 July 2012 - 03:02 AM.

[gsmanners]

Yes, you must remember that the Akaviri were not a straight-forward people. Everything is couched in allegory and mythic symbolism.

[blitzen]

I could be mortally wrong but,could the shout Dragonrend affect Mehrunes Dagon too?

When i sadly end the last quest of Oblivion,the game was empty without Martin Septim,and i always wonder if there was something that we could do to save both Tamriel and Martin Septim.I knew that nothing could help Martin ,but i didn't lost faith.
After some time when Alduin was killed in the end of the last quest of Skyrim,i wondered about if Dragonrend could be used in Mehrunes Dagon before Martin sacrifice himself.



Thank you for any answer.

You can't hurt a Daedric Prince with Dragonrend. To even affect them, you need "Daedric Prince Rend". And I'm the only one who knows that shout. And I'm not telling where the Word Wall is.

[sajuukkhar9000]

So what? The lore says a lot of crazy and often contradicting stuff. Most of it is actual legends and myths in the context of the setting, not an accurate and reliable transcription of what really happened. The lore also says Malacath was created when Boethiah ate Trinimac, a story Malacath himself considers "far too literal minded."

In the actual games, it took direct divine intervention -a literal miracle- to stop Dagon because there was absolutely nothing the mortals could do to him when he manifested, whereas I didn't even need my best gear to stab Alduin to death at Master difficulty.

And how is Akatosh and Lorkhan giving a mortal thier divine blessing to do what they could not, not divine intervention?

Again, the lore probably shouldn't be taken literally. That could just as well be a poetic way of saying Alduin is meant to destroy the established societies, or that he "eats the world" in a symbolical sense by marking the end of the particular era he appears in.

Except MK himself said it IS literal.

Edited by sajuukkhar9000, 30 July 2012 - 04:46 AM.

[breakwind]

Alduin is an aspect of Akatosh, to call him not a god is to call Akatosh not a god.

As for Alduin's return, should the mortals of Nirn fail to find CHIM, Akatosh will release Alduin to destroy the world, as he has done time and time again. The Kalpa only continues because Akatosh still has some hope for this version.

Akatosh created Alduin first, followed by the other dragons. Using your logic they are then all gods. So my character is also a godslayer? As for the book you quoted from I rather gather it is written as fairy tales based on TES lore. I mean really, Alduin belching up farms? I found it quite comical. After playing a bit of Morrowind and quite a bit of Oblivion as well as Skyrim, I have learnt to take the books of lore with a pinch of salt. Lore means truth mingled with myth and legend as well as the point of view of the author....and not law

[sajuukkhar9000]

But you forget, it is mentioned several times in Skyrim that Alduin IS NOT just another dragon, he is wholly different then they are. The other dragons were created by Aka, but Alduin was a piece of Akatosh ripped from him by the heavens themselves. Dragons are Aka's children, while Alduin is Akatosh's arm.

Furthermore you did not kill Alduin, so no, you are not a godslayer.


Also Kirkbride writes his lore to be taken as literal fact.
-The 36 Lessons of Vivec
-The Commentaries on the Mysterium Xarxes
-The Song of Pelinal
-The Remanada
All are supposed to be taken as 100% fact.

Kirkbride has personally commented on the truth of Pelinal's time traveling, as mentioned in the song of Pelinal, and Reman's divine birth from King Hrol and the Spirit of Alessia, as mentioned in the Remanada.

Edited by sajuukkhar9000, 30 July 2012 - 07:53 AM.

[breakwind]

Maybe in your game Alduin is a god, but in my game I sent him to the void...a few times. And to date he hasn't came back yet. The heroes of old celebrate his passing in Sovngarde, the dragons realise he is no more, Paarthurnax feels the loss with the pain of losing ones brother, and those I meet in Skyrim acknowledge the 'vanquishing of a great evil'. Looks to me like you are going to have to try to convince them too. As for taking books of lore 'literally', as I have used as an example in a thread before....I was an Agent Of Nightingale reading a book telling me Agents Of Nightingale do not exist, do I believe the book, or the game?

[sajuukkhar9000]

Your misinterpretation of what it said is almost to a tragic level.

The Dragons never say Alduin is dead, in fact parth himself says he could come back, so the Dragons don't believe Alduin is dead, just that he is not on Nirn to command them.

furthermore if a dev says its true, then it is. and in the case of kirkbride, he has said all his stuff is true.