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[myrmaad]

No, once you hit 250 the game CTDs, then I have to take some out to get back to 250 and all is well again.

Now this is something I can't reply for sure since I never got near this 253 limit. For my "understanding" the engine would just stop seeking the load list, if the not loaded mod (worse if it have several esps/esms) was necessary so CTDs happens. Anyway I really can't be sure here.

Try opening with the Wrye's Bash that shows the mods with an hexadecimal index. If this index approaches FD you have the answer.

PS: this procedure is useful to know the position of certain mod in the load list, enough using the windows calculator to convert between hex/decimal values.

My dear Wrye Bash is what put me on to the fact that the CTD was due to having mods over the limit. I posted about it here in this forum when it first happend. I use Bash almost every day for something or another.

[sabya123]

how you using 250 mods all at once ??

am facing problems to run companion mods and they all messed up together

[Shadowcran]

Another trick is to use the Mod Manager to "convert to archive" anything you've made into an OMOD or downloaded as an OMOD. This makes a zipped copy of what all the OMOD contains, including meshes, textures, and the esp's/esm's. Simply right click the OMOD while in the mod manager and select "convert to archive". It doesn't transfer the data to this zipped file but copies it instead. Great for making backups.

It's a 255 limit for higher end machines, BUT a couple of mods that don't have esp's or esm's count toward it. Which ones? I'm not sure. I'm at 253 mods(with 103 merged mods in the bashed patch) and the game will start if I put one more mod in, but CTD after a few steps or one action(such as opening a door). 255 and it won't even load.

I've about 25 mods that don't have esp's or esm's. I'm guessing it's either the 2 eye candy mods I've got or a texture mod.

Funny thing...I downloaded realistic physics and force the other day, used the mod manager to Open archive, and no esp's popped out. Being 95% asleep at the time, I activated the OMOD anyway. There are 6 esp's in the package btw.
These didn't show up as esp's in either the MOD manager or the Wrye Bash, yet in the game they were clearly operating.

The only way I've found around the 255 limit is merges in the Bashed Patch. There are close to 200 I've found so far. The only one of them that didn't work merged was "more books teach". However, the Student MOD, which does the same thing and is also mergeable, works perfectly.

[myrmaad]

Another trick is to use the Mod Manager to "convert to archive" anything you've made into an OMOD or downloaded as an OMOD. This makes a zipped copy of what all the OMOD contains, including meshes, textures, and the esp's/esm's. Simply right click the OMOD while in the mod manager and select "convert to archive". It doesn't transfer the data to this zipped file but copies it instead. Great for making backups.

I'm going to try that right now!


Thanks for your whole post!

[Shadowcran]

how you using 250 mods all at once ??

am facing problems to run companion mods and they all messed up together

The trick to running multiple mods like I'm doing is to use FCOM helper and Wrye Bash and only use the Mod Manager to make OMODs and of course converting back to archive for backups. FCOM helper puts your mods into a mostly correct load order, which is important to get mods to running right. The Wrye Bash does so much it makes it hard to list them all. This is what I'm currently running.


00 Oblivion.esm
01 Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm
02 Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm
03 Francesco's Optional New Creatures Add-On.esm
04 Children Of Rourken.esm
05 Jog_X_Mod.esm
06 CM Partners.esm
07 Inventory Tracker.esm
08 Qarls_Harvest.esm
09 Tamrielic Ingredients.esm
0A Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.34Beta3]
0B Mart's Monster Mod.esm [Version 3.6beta2]
0C TamrielTravellers.esm [Version 1.36]
0D Armamentarium.esm
0E Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esm
0F FCOM_Convergence.esm [Version 0.9.9a7]
10 Kvatch Rebuilt.esm
11 Cybiades.esm [Version 2.0]
12 Adrenaline Locational Masterfile.esm
13 SewerExpansion.esm
** TNR ALL RACES FINAL.esp
** TNR - ALL RACES FINAL.esp
** TNR - ShiveringIsles no helms.esp
14 Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.0.0]
15 DLCShiveringIsles.esp
16 Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch-MOBS-FCOM.esp [Version 1.4.0]
17 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp
18 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp
19 Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp
1A Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp
++ FCOM_Francescos.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp [Version 0.9.9]
1B FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp [Version 0.9.9]
1C Natural_Weather_by_Max_Tael.esp
1D Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp
1E Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp
++ Louder Nirnroot Sound.esp
++ Symphony of Violence.esp
1F PCSoundRhett.esp [Version 2.6]
20 Book Jackets Oblivion.esp
++ 300_Random_Clutter.esp
21 BookTrackerOBSE.esp
++ Brighter_Torches.esp
++ FGPorter_nofollow.esp
22 Qarls_Harvest.esp
23 Qarls_logs.esp
** Rational Names, 2.esp [Version 2-04]
24 Harvest[Containers].esp
25 Harvest[Containers] - Player Home Add-on.esp
26 Living Economy.esp
27 Living Economy - Items.esp
28 MapMarkers.esp
29 Adonnays Elven Weaponry.esp
2A ArmamentariumVendors.esp
2B CapesandCloaks.esp
2C Crossbows of Cyrodiil.esp
++ Darkgreen Glass Armour.esp
2D Dreadweave Complete_Heavy.esp
2E Dreadweave Complete_Light.esp
2F KDCirclets.esp
30 KDClothCirclets.esp
31 SentientWeapon.esp [Version 3]
32 Slof's Oblivion Robe Trader.esp
33 The Bow of the Mongolian Horseman.esp
34 tkRapiers.esp
35 RealSwords - Argonian HI-NPC.esp
36 RealSwords - Bosmer HI-NPC.esp
37 RealSwords - Breton HI-NPC.esp
38 RealSwords - Goblin.esp
39 RealSwords - Khajiit HI-NPC v1.3.esp
3A RealSwords - Orc HI_NPC v1.0.esp
3B RealSwords - Redguard HI-NPC.esp
3C ExnemEC_Rogue01.esp
3D AncientTowers.esp
3E ExnemRuneskulls.esp
++ FCOM_ExnemRuneskulls.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_TamrielicIngredients.esp [Version 0.9.9]
3F Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
40 Cheat Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
41 FCOM_BobsArmory.esp [Version 0.9.9]
42 Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp
++ FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp [Version 0.9.9]
43 Oblivion WarCry EV.esp
44 FCOM_WarCry.esp [Version 0.9.9]
45 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.34Beta3]
46 Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp [Version 3.6Beta2]
47 FCOM_Convergence.esp [Version 0.9.9]
48 FCOM_OscurosOverhaul.esp [Version 0.9.8]
49 FCOM_RealSwords.esp [Version 0.9.9]
4A Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp [Version 3.6Beta2]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp
4B FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp [Version 3.6Beta2]
++ FCOM_SaferRoads.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - No Blood.esp [Version 3.6Beta2]
4C Mart's Monster Mod - Foxes.esp [Version 3.6Beta2]
4D Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp [Version 3.6Beta2]
4E Mart's Monster Mod - Bats Addon.esp
4F Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life No Gates.esp [Version 3.5.5b4]
50 Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp [Version 3.6Beta2]
++ FCOM_FriendlierFactions.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_Archery.esp [Version 0.9.9]
51 FCOM_VanillaItemReleveler.esp
++ TamrielTravellersFactionAll.esp
++ TamrielTravellerAdvScript.esp [Version 1.36]
52 TamrielTravellers4000.esp [Version 1.36]
++ TamrielTravellersItemsNPC.esp
++ TamrielTravellersItemsVendor.esp
++ TamrielTravellersItemsUnscaled.esp
53 ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp
++ FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp [Version 0.9.9]
54 T.I.E4MODS.esp [Version 0.1]
++ T.I.E4OOO+FCOM.esp [Version 0.1]
55 Nightshade_Armor.esp
56 Castle Ravenpride.esp [Version 1.01]
57 bartholm.esp
58 Cybiades.esp [Version 2.1]
59 CybiadesDungeon.esp [Version 2.1]
5A 300_Artifacts.esp
5B 300_White Stallion 4.esp
5C 3_Numbers_v.1.0.esp
5D ArmoryLab.esp
5E Artefacts of the Ancestors.esp
5F Bjornheim.esp
60 castleofnight.esp
61 ChangeinManagement.esp
62 COR-Episode1 Secret of Enourk.esp
63 Darbinshire Keep.esp
64 DexwoodFamilySaga.esp
65 DJ Markov Manor.esp
66 Fort Ferrion.esp
67 GlenvarCastle.esp
68 GTAesgaard.esp
69 Hand of Dawn.esp
6A HauntedHouse.esp
6B HoarfrostCastle.esp
6C ICSewerDBsanctuary.esp
6D Lyn-StoriesFromTheSeaMod.esp
6E Mad Mike's Crypts of Cyrodiil.esp
6F Malevolent.esp
70 NakedNord.esp
71 Nanaelas Heartbreak.esp
72 Pek_Halls_of_The_Phoenix_Order.esp
73 Quest For The Elements.esp
74 Raiders of Cyrodil.esp
75 Ruins of Aeris Zul.esp
76 Ruins of Tarnesia.esp [Version 1.0]
77 Spear_of_Bitter_Mercy.esp
78 Spirit's Edge.esp
79 sunk ships.esp
7A TempleoftheFullMoon.esp
7B The Ayleid Steps.esp
7C The_Dragon_Citadel-6178.esp
7D The_Tower_of_the_Lich_King-4492.esp
7E thievery.esp
7F Tomb of the Unknown Knight.esp
80 Treasure Maps_Boethia's Burden.esp
81 treasure maps captus demus.esp
82 Treasure_Maps_The_Legend_Of_Jauffres_Gold.esp
83 VHBloodlines 1.2.esp [Version 1.4]
84 Village of Lily 2.0.esp
85 WellspringGrove.esp
86 WOTFH_1.3.esp
87 za_bankmod.esp
88 sir_balin_mod.esp
89 Knights.esp
8A Knights Patch.esp [Version -02]
8B Damarask.esp [Version 1.02]
8C The Lost Spires.esp
8D TOTF.esp
8E Ruin.esp [Version 2.50]
8F Mighty Umbra.esp
90 Ungarion1TheWelkyndSword.esp [Version 1.4]
91 Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp
92 Origin of the Mages Guild.esp [Version 5.1]
93 The Mystery of the Dulan cult.esp
94 MannimarcoComplete.esp
++ FCOM_Knights.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_MightyUmbra.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_Ruin.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_SlofsRobeTrader.esp [Version 0.9.9]
95 FCOM_OMG.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_OMGSRT.esp [Version 0.9.9]
96 FCOM_DulanCult.esp [Version 0.9.9]
97 Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esp
++ FCOM_EnhancedDaedricInvasion.esp [Version 0.9.9]
98 Kvatch Rebuilt.esp
99 FightersGuildContracts.esp
9A Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp
9B DEJ Harvest - Flora.esp
9C AutoBookPlacer_v2.esp
9D Cobl Hmm.esp
++ Essential_Trainers-8374.esp
++ Great Gate Essential NPC's.esp
++ GuilesNameReplace-Scrolls.esp
++ Light Elven Weapons and Mithril Armor.esp
++ NameReplacer-Clothing.esp
++ No Quest Items.esp
9E P1DkeyChain.esp
++ P1DkeyExtraMouseButton.esp
9F SA Social Alertness.esp
A0 lorecreatures.esp
A1 LCE-addon.esp
A2 RealisticForceLow.esp
A3 Enhanced Mercantile Progress.esp [Version 1.0a]
A4 All+5AttributeModifiers.esp
A5 Nanite's Legendary Alchemy.esp
A6 Legendary Abilities-Reflect MOJ.esp
A7 Grandmaster of Alchemy.esp
A8 SpellDeflection.esp
A9 Advanced Magecraft.esp
AA CLS-AlchemyTools.esp
AB Multiple Enchantments.esp
++ dyseso_Light_Ingred_Appar.esp
AC 300ft_crime_detection-7319.esp
AD Adrenaline-Fuelled Combat.esp
AE Locational Damage- Core.esp
AF Locational Damage- Effects.esp
B0 Locational Damage- Accurate Armour Damage.esp
B1 Enhanced_Hand_to_hand-2329.esp
B2 Fiery Fists v1.2.esp
B3 Enter The Shinobi - Coors916.esp
B4 Better Hand to Hand.esp
B5 No More Annoying Comments.esp
B6 NoMerchantBarterChatter.esp
B7 CM Partners.esp
++ [GFX]_Initial_Glow-all.esp
++ [GFX]_Initial_Glow-self.esp
++ [GFX]_Initial_Glow-creatures.esp
++ Real Lava v1.2.esp
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp [Version 3.6Beta2]
B8 Willful Resistance.esp [Version 2.0]
B9 Duke Patricks Basic Denock Arrows.esp
BA Bashed Patch, 0.esp
++ Potion Sorter v1.0 + Potions Recolored v0.2.1 - No Tweaks.esp
++ OBF Vampire Fix.esp
++ daywalkers_mod.esp
++ Pretty Elves.esp
++ Burns.esp
++ MerchantsBuyYourClutter 1.1.esp
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse NPC faces.esp
++ better lights.esp
++ OBF Doubled Ranged Magic Speed.esp
++ WellspringGroveZahrashaBook.esp
++ Loadies_vol_01.esp
++ Adoring Fan Respawn Disabler v100.esp [Version 1.00]
++ Shadow's Horse Wander Fix v1.2.esp
++ master_essentials.esp
++ Bandits to Brigands.esp
++ Goblin shaman overhaul.esp
++ Essential_Unicorn-3157.esp
++ Weightless Ring of Silence.esp
++ Less Weightless Items.esp
++ Respawning SI Amber & Madness Ore.esp
++ Unlimited_Adventures_v1.3.esp
++ The_Student_Mod-3069.esp
++ No_More_Quest_Items-4810.esp
++ zom813 - Your Unkillable Horses 1.0.esp
++ Lyn-LessGodlikeBoundItems.esp
++ Lyn-SweetLittleMudCrabs.esp
++ Duke Patricks - BASIC Script Effect Silencer BETA.esp
BB BXX Blue Flame.esp
BC BXX Island of Arennis.esp
BD Advanced Fletching.esp
BE Adventurers_1.0.esp
BF Angelic Alliance.esp
C0 Annoying messages begone!.esp
C1 AutoSheath.esp
C2 AyleidTreasury.esp
C3 bloodscorncastle.esp
C4 BoneMaster.esp
C5 BookQuest.esp
C6 2367-1.0-Borderless Cyrodiil-TESSource.esp
C7 Cherydinhal Murder quest v2.0.esp
C8 CyrodiilsLastHope.esp
C9 Damage Text v2.esp
++ dbpoisonapple.esp
CA DarkReign_The Discovery.esp
CB Drekin's Keep 2.3.esp
CC Duke Patricks - Bob and Weave Dodge Mark II.esp
CD Duke Patricks - Smash of the Titans.esp
CE EnchantmentRemoval.esp
CF FCOM_NewItemsTemplate.esp [Version 0.9.4]
D0 Fort Baltsine.esp
D1 GalerionTrueUnarmored-v20.esp
D2 Harvest[Containers] - Flat-Top Barrels Add-on.esp
D3 Harvest[Containers] - Havok Crates Add-on.esp
D4 HauntedHouse v1.4.esp
D5 JaySuSHarmonyIslandModV11.esp
D6 Julianos Priory.esp
D7 Labyrinth.esp
D8 Legends Baleful Eye.esp
D9 Life_Translated-2681.esp
DA Master-Crafting-1.0-Beta-MMM.esp
DB Netherworld01.esp
DC NoObsoleteEnemies.esp
DD OBF Bandit Fix.esp
DE OBF Marksman Fix.esp
DF OS Artifacts.esp [Version 1.0]
E0 Pirates Grave V1.1.esp
E1 Platinum Armor and Weapons.esp
E2 Polearms.esp
E3 PotR.esp
E4 Quest Award Leveling_v1_6.esp
E5 Ramy Monster.esp
E6 RegionalBounty.esp
E7 Restore_Health_Enchantment-8830.esp
E8 RightingtheWrongs.esp
E9 Ring of the Assassin.esp
EA Ruins of Nalcarum.esp
EB Sagerbliv RareItems v20.esp
EC Salmo The Baker v2.0.esp [Version 2.06]
ED SewerExpansion-Bravil.esp
EE SewerExpansion-Cheydinhal.esp
++ Annoying fan.esp
++ arrow_speed.esp
++ BeautifulJensine.esp
++ Better Torches.esp
++ BetterCoins.esp
++ biger_trolls_and_ogres-2604.esp
++ EyjaFaceFixed.esp
++ Hands And Feet.esp
++ Health_Spell_Cost-2088.esp
++ JewelryEnchantmentFixes.esp
++ Lyn-BiggerBearsAndBoars.esp
++ More Lockpicks.esp
++ NoHelms.esp
++ nomoreflicker.esp
++ OBF 2-Handed Weapon Fix.esp
++ OBF Clutter Fix.esp
++ OBF Daedra Fix.esp
++ OBF Enchant Fix.esp
++ OBF Fathis Aren Fix.esp
++ OBF Quest Item Fix.esp
++ Sagerbliv Weapons v20.esp
++ Unlimited Torches.esp
++ Weightless_Arrows-9515.esp
++ Weightless_Repair_Hammers-7731.esp
EF The SilverDragonArmorQuest.esp
F0 TolawaylAyleidCity_Quest.esp
F1 Tumbderdon.esp
F2 VeridiusInvestigations.esp
F3 Water Nymphs.esp
F4 WolfPacks.esp
F5 Wondrous_Inventory_v091.esp
F6 WoodNymph.esp
F7 Absolutely_Sexy_Jensine.esp
F8 AddisHeadhunterMod EV.esp
F9 AStrangeCave.esp
FA AC_ModM701.esp
FB Duke Patricks - Momentum Lite Damage Bonus.esp
++ no_wind-2578.esp
FC Ravengoldplugin.esp


**means it's virtually active in the Bashed Patch
++means it's merged into the Bashed Patch.

I'm also currently using:
Elven Map Redux
Darkified UI
Female Eye Candy
HG Female EC
Hand to Hand Animation Fix(changes power attack to uppercut)
Evantal's Dual Wielding
Operation Optimization
Bt MOd
Immersive Interface(believe it or not, this and BT complement each other rather than cancelling each other)
Both Official patches
atmospheric Loading Screens
Adam Frechette's Music Compilation
Coloured Map ICons
Borderless Map Icons
GetUp Anime Replacer
Name Replacer Clothing
Name Replacer Scrolls
Better Ring Replacer
better Looking Tools

2 of these counts toward that mod total. I've no idea which ones.

[myrmaad]

how you using 250 mods all at once ??

am facing problems to run companion mods and they all messed up together

The trick to running multiple mods like I'm doing is to use FCOM helper and Wrye Bash and only use the Mod Manager to make OMODs and of course converting back to archive for backups. FCOM helper puts your mods into a mostly correct load order, which is important to get mods to running right. The Wrye Bash does so much it makes it hard to list them all. This is what I'm currently running.

If I could give you another kudo, I would, but the system won't let me.

I will say that I don't use FCOM helper and don't intend to start anytime soon either. Every so often I download the documentation though and compare my load order to the recommendations in their list.

I allow OBMM and Wrye to let me know when something's amiss. Wrye has a color scheme that helps, and OBMM has built in conflict detection you can utilize when you suspect something is going awry. Awry? heh heh.

Anyway, I don't bother to count, when I go over the limit, game won't load, I open Wrye and it gives me a message stating "Load List Overloaded". Then I weed some out and try again.

[Shadowcran]

Have you used mark mergeable yet? Simply shift click all the mods you have, right click and go to mark mergeable. Those that turn green can be merged just like the FCOM stuff. While I always have them all still selected, I always use the NVIDIA fog fix option too with Wrye Bash and then Mark Levelers.

I've kind of been looking specifically for mergeables and have been compiling a list for others to use. Far as I know, there is no other list out there. As long as it doesn't change script or puts a visible item in the game, it's usually mergeable. That's why my mod total in the above load order is 357.

[myrmaad]

Have you used mark mergeable yet? Simply shift click all the mods you have, right click and go to mark mergeable. Those that turn green can be merged just like the FCOM stuff. While I always have them all still selected, I always use the NVIDIA fog fix option too with Wrye Bash and then Mark Levelers.

I've kind of been looking specifically for mergeables and have been compiling a list for others to use. Far as I know, there is no other list out there. As long as it doesn't change script or puts a visible item in the game, it's usually mergeable. That's why my mod total in the above load order is 357.

Yes, I use that, do you want me to add those that work to your list? It's a great idea!

Actually sometimes it will just flat out say, "not mergeable" or "Can't be Merged" something like that.

I used it for beauty packs in the beginning but I ended up learning how to fix those by hand so they're all in one: hairs, eyes, etc.

If you can't do it in Wrye, sometimes you can do it Tes4Gecko.

[Shadowcran]

sure, I'd like to know more of the mergeables. Beats going through 18,000 + mods trying to find them all. lol.

[Khet]

Or you could just use FCOM helper for load orders, no calculating needed (for those mathimatically challenged like myself)

That said, as long as you activate the omod first, the ESP will show up in the CS as has been said already.