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[DanTR]

Dragon break = Time travel?

Dragon Break = Any break on the time continuity. A time travel would be ONE of the types of Dragon Breaks.

A Dragon Break could be the union of many alternate realities in one. A Dragon Break can be a lot of time breaking events.

[Javalin]

I can see them doing something like:


Which ever side you choose - Stormcloaks or Empire.

The leader will give you a new quest (Gen. Tullius/High Queen Elisif or Ulfric Stormcloak). The Thalmor and the Aldmeri Dominion are plotting the extinction of all Non-Elven Kind (Including Orcs). Starting with Skyrim; The remaining forces of the Stormcloaks or The Empire would join forces for this New Threat - Or butcher each other even more..

It would just make sense. This is the point where you could work with the Thalmor (Elves Only) to destroy the non-elven and participate in a Mass Exodus. Or you can work against the Thalmor (Any Race) and play the goody two shoes. In all honestly.. All I see TES games going, is there is always the good ending. You always work for the good ending.

Spoiler

Regardless of path in Dawnguard, both ways end up killing Lord Harkon.

Unlike Skyrim. - New Vegas, you can be a jerk and do lots of bad things being part of Caesar's Legion (Several alternate endings)
- Fallout 3 - Blowing up Megaton, Poisoning the Water, Destroying the Brotherhood of Steel.

Jav'

[sajuukkhar9000]

Dragon Break = Any break on the time continuity. A time travel would be ONE of the types of Dragon Breaks.

A Dragon Break could be the union of many alternate realities in one. A Dragon Break can be a lot of time breaking events.

That is not exactly true.

A dragon break is an event where time becomes non-linear.

Traveling back in time =/= a Dragonbreak because time has not stopped being linear.

Furthermore the merging of many alternate timelines into one is what happens AFTER a dragon break, and is caused by the Jills, it does not constitute a dragon break itself.

Edited by sajuukkhar9000, 14 August 2012 - 07:33 PM.

[DanTR]

Dragon Break = Any break on the time continuity. A time travel would be ONE of the types of Dragon Breaks.

A Dragon Break could be the union of many alternate realities in one. A Dragon Break can be a lot of time breaking events.

That is not exactly true.

A dragon break is an event where time becomes non-linear.

Traveling back in time =/= a Dragonbreak because time has not stopped being linear.

Furthermore the merging of many alternate timelines into one is what happens AFTER a dragon break, and is caused by the Jills, it does not constitute a dragon break itself.

Oh, then I was wrong. Thank you for correcting me!

[Stemin]

The first thing he wants you to do in the process of becoming thane is to bring him a bottle of Black-Briar mead, showing that he's decadent enough to care only about his own amusements rather than the welfare of his people.

Wait a minute. How does asking you to bring him a bottle of ale prove he doesn't care about the welfare of his people? You're a stranger walking through the town of Falkwreath. Why should he be relying on you to help his people in the first place?

(In fact, I believe he tells you at one point that his interest in being jarl is access to perks like fine clothes.) The second thing he wants you to do is kill some bandits ... because they've reneged on their arrangement with him and are no longer giving him a proper share of their take. I would call that pretty corrupt, though it's petty corruption compared to Maven Black Briar.

This is pretty inconclusive as well, since bandits and mercenaries are all lumped together in TES. There IS a difference, but since TES doesn't differentiate except to add one token random encounter with a fellow named "Mercenary" with a broken quest, again.. inconclusive.

I would say Vignar is as good a jarl as Balgruuf, with the same concerns for the welfare of the people of Whiterun and definite plans for seeing to that welfare. Dengeir is certainly a better jarl than Siddgeir, and he has a very canny political sense and no great trust of Ulfric, though he supports the rebellion.

And that's an opinion I would disagree with just based on his putting pride ahead of common sense with his one liner about the empire "shaming us all."

Yes, I like Idgrod despite her not having the trust of her people, but Sorli is not a bad replacement and a ruler that does have the confidence of her subjects is probably going to be able to accomplish more.

Regardless of the truth of this, it's still a wash.

[Brutii]

I believe that the winner is... the Thalmor. After the fighting is done, regardless of which side wins, the stormcloaks and the imperials are now battle weary. The thalmor show up with fresh soldiers and wipe the floor with both sides. First pretending to offer aid to the empire to destroy the stormcloaks, then stabbing the empire in the back once it's done.

I wish there was a third ending to the civil war, where you could bring the two sides together and make them understand that the real enemy was those damn nazi elves, (And hopefully Expose Ulfric to the stormcloaks, the damn hypocrite. At first I liked him (I prefered the empire, mainly because they have been my ally so many times previous), he seemed like a passionate leader who wanted what was best, then I looked deeper and found his actions were fueled by greed and evil. Bastard.) then the ending to the civil war would be the destruction of the Thalmor and we could see the emperor and stormcloak leader (As Long As It's Not That Git Ulfric) shaking hands now that the thalmor were vanquished and talos worship was once again legal.

[fraquar]

Stormcloaks win, simply because the hardest thing for any empire to do is to depend on local recruits to destroy a rebellion in their own homeland - which is exactly what the Empire is having to do. This is a Revolution, not a Civil War.

[sajuukkhar9000]

Stormcloaks win, simply because the hardest thing for any empire to do is to depend on local recruits to destroy a rebellion in their own homeland - which is exactly what the Empire is having to do. This is a Revolution, not a Civil War.

And yet, at the very beginning of Skyrim the empire HAD won, despite the challenges.

[Dudeman325]

I would say there would be a "Warp in the North" coming along, but it hardly seems like the Civil War ends with any real conclusion. By the end of the questline, either losing side still has the ability to rally (possibly within a few years) and gain back their strength. Either way, the only group that could claim victory in a needless war of Man vs Man is the Thalmor / Aldmeri Dominion.

[Lachdonin]

The easiest, cleanest way, and the one supported by the concluding comments by both Ulfric and Tullius, would indicate that both die during the Canon war, and that the ballance of power in Skyrim shifts back and forth several times (allowing for the seiges of both Solitude and Windhelm). The actual resolution would come with the onset of another Great War, most likely started by the Empore (Tullius tells us that the Legions are preparing on the Domminion Border, indicating that another war is iminent). At such a time, Bethesda could either end the civil war 'peacefuly' with the Stormcloaks finally realising they've been morons the whole time, or they can use the new focus to give the Stormcloaks the upper hand ang make Skyrim independant.

No Dragonbreak is nessessary to resolve the issue of the Civil War. It only boils down to a question of the story choices Bethesda decides to make.