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[IsharaMeradin]

@Sharlikran -- I see you installed to the Program Files directory. Could that be the reason I don't have the registry key you are talking about? All I have is a mention deep under the Valve entry instead. I installed both Steam & Skyrim to a directory outside of Program Files.

In my opinion it does warrant a uninstall and reinstall to a different location to see if the registry behaves differently. If that is indeed the case then you may need to revisit how the program looks for the game. But it is your program, build it how you want.....

[Corrodias]

No; i have it installed in a very different location as well, and the registry entry exists after running the launcher.

[Sharlikran]

@Sharlikran -- I see you installed to the Program Files directory. Could that be the reason I don't have the registry key you are talking about? All I have is a mention deep under the Valve entry instead. I installed both Steam & Skyrim to a directory outside of Program Files.

That is the preferred way in order to avoid UAC. I don't care about UAC, personal preference, because I changed permissions.

I also have the Valve entry but that has nothing to do with Skyrim at all.

In my opinion it does warrant a uninstall and reinstall to a different location to see if the registry behaves differently. If that is indeed the case then you may need to revisit how the program looks for the game.

You are correct about not needing to install or reinstall. Putting it in another folder isn't the issue, you are absolutely right.

But it is your program, build it how you want.....

Although I don't mind the statement, I can sense the frustration and I wish I had a way to resolve this. Basically Bethesda won't tell me anything I want to know at this time. I have tried to get them to give me the record structure, the compression format (although I'm sure everyone has this figured out), I can't get the error routines the CK uses, the structure of the save games, I can't even get which languages Skyrim is translated into for EMA and APAC. Asking them to tell me if there is a second registry entry is about the same, so I doubt I will be able to get them to tell me what I want to know.

Also how did you purchase Skyrim? What OS do you use? Is it 32 or 64 Bit? I work in tech support and I'm aware there could be other ways to buy Skyrim. I don't think how you bought it is an issue. I bought Fallout 3 and Fallout New Vegas from Steam as an electronic download a month ago. Even v 3.0.15, which is ancient, can find both versions so the registry entry hasn't changed, therefore no matter how you bought Skyrim the registry entry should be the same. I would still like to ask anyway.

It looks for the registry entry I listed. Lets look at what yours is though. Search your registry for "Bethesda Softworks" it should be in "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE" then "Software" then "Bethesda Softworks" and then Right click Skyrim and choose export. Open the .reg file you created with a text editor like Notepad++ and post what you find between "code" tags please.

If you don't see that registry entry please follow these steps:

1: Navage to your Skyrim install folder where TESV.exe is located
2: Right click the file named SkyrimLauncher.exe and click the details tab.
3: Get a screen shot of that and post a link please.
4: Right click and choose Open
You should see the following Screen:



If you do not see that screen we can use your Skyrim CD

1: Insert your Skyrim CD and let Auto Play start, you should see this screen.



2: Click "Play The Elder Scrolls Skyrim V: Skyrim"
You should see the following Screen:



Then look for the registry I mentioned.

[mike2977]

Quick newbie question: What is the procedure to determine which version of Skyrim one has installed?

And, a tip for those who want more control over whether Steam automatically updates your Skyrim, use Skyrim Unplugged to turn off (or on) automatic updates. Available from Nexus:
http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/12744

[Sharlikran]

Quick newbie question: What is the procedure to determine which version of Skyrim one has installed?

And, a tip for those who want more control over whether Steam automatically updates your Skyrim, use Skyrim Unplugged to turn off (or on) automatic updates. Available from Nexus:
http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/12744

While Skyrim is loaded, press esc, and after the screen opens that lets you save or changes settings, look in the lower left corner of that screen.

[IsharaMeradin]

Purchased disc copy of Skyrim
Running on Windows 7 64 bit Professional

Step One: Searched the registry for Bethesda Softworks
Result: Computer\HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\VirtualStore\MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Bethesda Softworks

That is the only hit.

The details screen

Spoiler

I got the regular launcher

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So I skip the disc part and start the game via the launcher.
My SKSE warning to prove I didn't start with SKSE

Spoiler

Refresh my registry and search again for Bethesda Softworks
Results:
Computer\HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\LowRegistry\Audio\PolicyConfig\PropertyStore\c6c0a86f_0
Computer\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Bethesda Softworks
Computer\HKEY_USERS\S-1-5-21-1893967030-904714772-1464377410-1001\Software\Classes\VirtualStore\MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Bethesda Softworks

And that's it.

So I try the disc
My screenshots for proof:
Disc Insert

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Setup ran

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]My link[/url]

Got the launcher

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And my game screen with SKSE warning to prove I didn't start with SKSE

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Refresh my registry and search again for Bethesda Softworks
Results:
Computer\HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\VirtualStore\MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Bethesda Softworks
Computer\HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Classes\VirtualStore\MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Bethesda Softworks
Computer\HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\LowRegistry\Audio\PolicyConfig\PropertyStore\c6c0a86f_0
Computer\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Bethesda Softworks
Computer\HKEY_USERS\S-1-5-21-1893967030-904714772-1464377410-1001\Software\Classes\VirtualStore\MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Bethesda Softworks
Computer\HKEY_USERS\S-1-5-21-1893967030-904714772-1464377410-1001\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\LowRegistry\Audio\PolicyConfig\PropertyStore\c6c0a86f_0
Computer\HKEY_USERS\S-1-5-21-1893967030-904714772-1464377410-1001_Classes\VirtualStore\MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Bethesda Softworks

Some of these are so stinking similar I may have stopped too soon on the searching at other steps. However, I do not have as you state I should

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Bethesda Softworks\Skyrim

That said, if I expand this further

Computer\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Bethesda Softworks

I get

Computer\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Bethesda Softworks\Skyrim

complete with my install path listed.

I don't know what OS you use, but it is highly likely that OS's handle things differently. I will not modify my registry to allow your program to run. That's asking for trouble. No user should have to do that. Also I'm not too sure of the purpose of this program anyway. If it is to CLEAN mods, why not just use the official method with the CK? Here's a good tutorial http://www.theengine...d=20&Itemid=193

[mike2977]

Search your registry for "Bethesda Softworks" it should be in "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE" then "Software" then "Bethesda Softworks" and then Right click Skyrim and choose export. Open the .reg file you created with a text editor like Notepad++ and post what you find between "code" tags please.

My computer's registry entry appears to match what you're suggesting:

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Bethesda Softworks\Skyrim]
"Installed Path"="c:\\program files (x86)\\steam\\steamapps\\common\\skyrim\\"

Windows 64 bit Ultimate
Installed from Steam download

I did run into problems when I initially installed TES5Edit, but I put a copy of it in a folder under the game folder (above) and it ran fine. When it went to save a log on exit, it came up with an access error, so I changed the shorcut properties to run with Administrative privileges and then it ran and exited fine.

I'm still playing with this and other programs mentioned in all the forums I've been reading for the past two weeks, but not making any changes nor saving anything yet. I'm still in a learning phase.

[IsharaMeradin]

@Mike2977 -- you have the same entry I have. That is NOT what Sharlikran says we should have. He does not have the Wow6432Node in his key structure. You'll see if you go back a page where he states what the key should be. In fact it is post #140 of this thread.

[mike2977]

@Mike2977 -- you have the same entry I have. That is NOT what Sharlikran says we should have. He does not have the Wow6432Node in his key structure. You'll see if you go back a page where he states what the key should be. In fact it is post #140 of this thread.

Ah, I see what you mean. What in the heck is Wow6432Node? Looks like World of Warcraft? And how does Steam/Bethesda use that to start up the game if it's not where the game is actually located?

[IsharaMeradin]

No its not related to World of Warcraft at all. It's something to do with Windows. Most likely because we both have 64 bit operating systems that are capable of running 32 bit programs. If you notice you have two Program Files directories. Program Files & Program Files (x86) the former being 64 bit programs and the latter being 32 bit. For me there is some Bethesda Softworks related stuff in the Program Files (x86) directory even tho I installed elsewhere. This leads me to believe that Skyrim is a 32 bit program and the Wow6432Node in our keys is an indicator that Windows needs to switch from 64 bit to 32 bit in order to run the program.

If the OS was 32 bit based there would be no need for such an indicator.


but hey, I'm not a programmer or the like so while that's a good theory based on what I've seen, it could be wrong.