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Hello guys,

Well, last week I started a ambitious project that I called it ARMONIZER, and at the weekend I could set out the first version of it, and you can check at: http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/27028

Okay, I can explain the objective of this project in 0 parts:

0- Request permission from the mod/amor creator.
1 - Analyse and Test many great armors mod around.
2 - Fix and Report bugs and small glitches that some of them have.
3 - Properly Insert in the World being most immersive as possible.

Steps: 0, 1 and 2, I kinda can do myself and I have no problem doing it, thats the fun for me doing it, but when we reach on step 3 I got some problem, not only because Im not a expert in Elder Scroll world, but also because thats the moment when things need to be verywell placed being the moment that the mod reaches the game feeling of the player...

So for step 3 I need help. Not moding or editing anything.. I dont need your hands, I need your brains, so to say: your knowledge, ideas, options and critisism on how the armors would go in Skyrim.
On second post I will reserve to edit and pool all ideas and will organize there.

IMPORTANT: I would like to ask only 1 favor: please do not use this thread for comments/requests related to the mod, you can do that on comments section of the mod, here Im only trying to follow up a brainstorm of how each of the armors would fit Skyrim.

On next post I will show exacly how we can do it.

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Level List schema:
- After level 22, starts random drops of parts from loots/chests.
NPCs Using it:
-Thadgeir (found at Falkreath)
Open Discussions:
- Are the stats of each piece ok? (price/weight/armor)
- Are the items required for temper and craft it ok? What you think?
- Wich NPCs could/should be wearing this armor by default?
- Could you provide a small and creative description for it? (200 chars long).
- A complete set being used, could give some special effect? Wich?

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Level List schema:
- After level 24, starts random drops of parts from loots/chests.
NPCs Using it:
-Angi (found at Angis Camp, near Falkreath)
Open Discussions:
- Are the stats of each piece ok? (price/weight/armor)
- Are the items required for temper and craft it ok? What you think?
- Wich NPCs could/should be wearing this armor by default?
- Could you provide a small and creative description for it? (200 chars long).
- A complete set being used, could give some special effect? Wich?

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IMPORTANTE LINKS
SPREADSHEET WITH ALL MOD INFORMATIONS AND STATS

NPC ON STUDY
DELPHINE
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That one REALY needs a new armor... I remember when I first played the game and reached the moment where....
- She explains all the past history, how she was eager to the return of the dragonborn...
- She is part of past heroes groups (Blades), devoted to fight dragons..
- Bla,bla, bla... we decide to head to a a Burial place of dragons...
- The she says something like: "Ok, let me wear my outfit!"
THAT moment I tought to myself: now she will wear a cool legendary warrior armor to go with me fight dragon and them.....
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Leather Armor...
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Well.. I got frustated... Lets change this!!
WICH ARMOR WOULD BE COOL FOR DELPHINE WEARS WHEN GETTING READY TO FIGHT!?
Im thinking about the Master Armor... Has to be a Light one... any other idea? ANY other armor that is on community but not in the mod yet? (I can talk with the mod maker...)
Delphine is so important on game history that we realy need to improove her.

Suggestions!

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Heres a try..
Delphine in Master Ranger armor...

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Better?

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Stats for conqueror armor and master ranger are nice, a bit better than vanilla, not much.
makes it just worth to get them instead!
+ Cool skins!

About Delphine, that's just perfect!!
I always hated how the leather armor looked like.. It does not look like.. armor.
That fits her pretty well, and is still friendly to the lore.

I'll start throwing here my ideas about armors, who could wear them and so.
I am not sure if intended, but Amren seems to wear conqueror armor?
Though it might be because I am using some mods which edit leveled lists, add armors to enemies from leveled lists and so.
But in case it's from your mod, I'd change it :biggrin:

Okay, Here's some ideas:
General tip: No helmets/ hoods for unique characters? Unless he used hood/helmet before your mod.
Ulfric Stormcloa, Jarl of Windhelm, Conqueror Armor Without hood. Without hood because Ulfric is not shady one, he wants to show his face to everyone, be it friend or foe.

That commander who is often near Ulfric, He could wear the Snow Bear armor, white bears/polar bears are just tad much angrier than black and brown counterparts, it'd represent well his strength and power.

Ralof, Stormcloak Explorer armor. He seems to be pretty good soldier, would maybe want to carry around a bit more unique version of typical stormcloak soldier's outfit. Maybe Northman Armor?
Hadvar.. Maybe North Rider armor, I was thinking about "Horseman Armor", but I think it's a bit too clean for him.

Horseman armour would be good for Legate Rikke, as it's pretty imperialistic, clean and shiny. Typical Imperial high-ranked soldier outfit.

Iron Master looks like its independent from Imperials and Stormcloaks, Though i can't think of anyone who would fit that idea.

Horseman Armor for Legate Rikke + some of the high ranking generals of Penitus Oculatus? I can't remember any names, could someone mention those here?
Penitus Oculatus armor itself is sort-of-darker than basic soldier's outfit, but again, generals seem to wear most shiny armors.

War Mage for Marcurio? Would fit him pretty well.

I'll write up more ideas when I get some.

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I am not sure if intended, but Amren seems to wear conqueror armor?
Though it might be because I am using some mods which edit leveled lists, add armors to enemies from leveled lists and so.
But in case it's from your mod, I'd change it.

Yes, it was the Conqueror... But I didnt liked either when I saw it... I changed it now to North Rider, I will post on second post ALL NPCs I did so far and I gave, so we can go sharing ideas and replacing it.

General tip: No helmets/ hoods for unique characters? Unless he used hood/helmet before your mod.
Ulfric Stormcloa, Jarl of Windhelm, Conqueror Armor Without hood. Without hood because Ulfric is not shady one, he wants to show his face to everyone, be it friend or foe.

Yes, sure. All those NPCs we do interact need to have it faces open, no helmet, we may only add with helmet some NPCs that we dont even talk with just fight.. :P

That commander who is often near Ulfric, He could wear the Snow Bear armor, white bears/polar bears are just tad much angrier than black and brown counterparts, it'd represent well his strength and power.

You mean Galmar, the one talking with him? I have think about it, nice you bring this: Snow Bear or Stormcloak Explorer? The Stormcloak Explorer is more military... and he is a very military general arguing... also the Snow Bear armor is a armor dropable after level 18 and also possible be wearable by Bandit Bosses... What you think? Im tending to Stormcloak Explorer.. :P I also tought about change that armor name to something like Stormcloak Elder Armor... (explorer is giving a too much ranger idea..)

Ralof, Stormcloak Explorer armor. He seems to be pretty good soldier, would maybe want to carry around a bit more unique version of typical stormcloak soldier's outfit. Maybe Northman Armor?

If we are following the idea of Stormcloak Explorer to Galmar, lets set ralof eith Northman.. thats cool. But I have seems some armors more stylish like stormcloak improoved, I will find it and contact the mod maker, cause I didnt needed to remove completely the style of a blue stormcloak soldier...

Hadvar.. Maybe North Rider armor, I was thinking about "Horseman Armor", but I think it's a bit too clean for him.

Nah.. I think he is supose to keep a Imperial Armor.. till this mod have a very imperial look armor that is cooler them its regular, lets leave him the default way, agree?

Horseman armour would be good for Legate Rikke, as it's pretty imperialistic, clean and shiny. Typical Imperial high-ranked soldier outfit.

Not sure also... I think Horseman armors are very noble, and she is very warrior... that armor should be for like royal guys who uses this for a possible sports fight, got the idea? :P
For example, im adding it to Idolaf Battle-Born, who walks around Witherun doing his publicity for his clan/family/empire...

Iron Master looks like its independent from Imperials and Stormcloaks, Though i can't think of anyone who would fit that idea.

I take Iron Master close to a orcish idea.. not a clear idea yet.. but we will see that in the future.. ;P

Horseman Armor for Legate Rikke + some of the high ranking generals of Penitus Oculatus? I can't remember any names, could someone mention those here?
Penitus Oculatus armor itself is sort-of-darker than basic soldier's outfit, but again, generals seem to wear most shiny armors.

Yes, I dont think this mod has yet this armor that I will look and say "Thats a Legate armor!" :P

War Mage for Marcurio? Would fit him pretty well.

The problem that he is a easy to get Companion, and I dont wanna such a cool armor like Warmage being so easy to steal for adding a companion... got it? Or maybe not.. make it easyer... But I have some plans for that armor, like give some cool bonus related to magic when the whole set being used.

I'll write up more ideas when I get some.

Already helped me a lot man.. keep bringing it. :P

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Ok, heres what is comming on next version:
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Ideas on where place them.. chests... npcs.. are welcome, working on that right now.

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Aye, good points you said about some things.

Horseman is indeed pretty Noble, not much like militarist.
Imperial nobles.. Mmm..

As for the Galmar, I'd say White Bear, it's just tad much more "badass" :biggrin:
To me the Stormcloak Explorer looks a bit more like customized soldier's outfit, not something that General would wear, but it might be just my opinion.

Dat Trollbone helmet.. Wow.
And the whole armor is pretty badass, maybe add it to dead person called "Finn" somewhere wearing it? :biggrin: (If you catch the reference)

For some reason I feel like you could just leave the "Steal items from companions" up to the self-nerf of players, they aren't forced to steal stuff from companions.
At least that's how I roll always when making mods. (Or well, I balance the single item, but I don't nerf all the things you could do with them.)
That's probably how Bethesda thought, thus ended up nerfing many things.

Mm.. Is there any "worth to mention" Stormcloak spies? I think Forest Archer would fit them well, as it has elf ears on it to represent the hatred for them.

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great looking armours, i really like the look of all of them. As for the integration, unless you want to keep this mod as completely yours as possible, i would consider donating your armours to the immersive armours mod. they add quests and alter loot lists to integrate armours fully and seamlessly. just thinking this could remove the worry of integrating them and just let you devote all your time to making these armours.

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@kili202
Actually, this mod itself is combo of some armors.
Just like immersive armors, except this doesn't (yet) add any too-much-worked armors.

I think Immersive armors is great, I use it myself, but it has much things I don't really like that much.




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