JoyTrooper

The notion that a "true" artist is purely motivated by their desire to create is totally false and you don't need to look any further for evidence than your own human nature. As if it's somehow selfish to strive for financial compensation for working with what you enjoy. Step out of the "community bubble" and into the real world and ask any adult person if someone who worked for months to create something is entitled to sell it, their answer shouldn't come as any surprise. It's essentially the same dismissive and backwards attitude used against Youtubers whenever Youtube screws with their revenue: "Go get a real job", as if creating videos can't possibly be anything more than a free hobby and pretend that the same level of quantity and quality is achievable without financial support. This whole discussion isn't about right or wrong, it's not about what's best for "our community", it's what's best for me and my interests as a mod user and a mod author. You don't want to pay for a mod, that's fine, don't buy it, but don't pretend like your interest in free mods is more important than a creators interest in selling their own work.

Are we living in the same reality? The arts in this day and age are sheet. Everything is done by a formula to maximize profits. Movies are judged by how much cash they rake in. How many Mummy, Beauty and the Beast remakes do you need to see? Don't even get me started on music... Inject money into mods and have them filtered , curated and Bethesda-ized , what do you think will happen? Do you think they will push the envelope and come up with something outside of the formula? They have systematically dumbed down the franchise for maximum profitability. I don't think they are capable of being innovative anymore, I believe this is part of the reason they want to hijack our community. It takes modders like Kinggath to fix their profit driven after thought of a settlement system. It takes the Unofficial Patch crew to touch up and fix bugs that Bethesda to this day will not fix. Its all about money now with them. The artistry of gaming only exists for the grunts doing the actual art and even they are stifled and their creativity forced into a mold. You can be a negative pessimist to your hearts content, completely neglecting all the great works of art that has been made just to make it seem like you got a point. I need only point to the fact that you're here discussing video games and enjoying all types of media and it should be clear as day that you're an unrealistic hypocrite only pushing an agenda. So to answer your question; no, we don't live in the same reality. I am just dealing in facts, I don't think any thinking person would disagree that we are in a Dark Age when it comes to artistic expression.. I am sure there are plenty who think Harry Potter is a great work of literature and that Kanye West is indeed the greatest artist of all time, but I would hope they are a minority.. Bottom line, our modding community has nothing to gain from the intrusion of Bethesda. They have shown us what they are offering. $1 weapons and $5 Crab Armor. Until I see something else from them I will be a pessimist because they have a history to live down. "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice...I won't get fooled again." - GW Bush Our community is releasing incredible content now without their help. None of you sellouts has yet to say what exactly the community has to gain from this. Its all about what Modders wallets will gain. You're confusing facts with your own personal views and hyperbole opinions. You might be unwilling to look at alle the positives but I think it's sad that you'd go as far as wanting to destroy something so potetially rewarding - not only for mod authors but for users too - just out of spite. And what exactly are we risking if it fails? Nothing. But you're not afraid of failure, you're afraid of paid mods succeeding. Because in your mind that translates to just the same quality of mods except now you got to pay for them, as if having to pay for work is a legitimate reason to be against it in the first place. But if we're being realistic rather than a bunch of pessimistic doomsayers it is a whole lot more likely that money and the responsbility it intails will lead to higher quality mods developed by more professional "modders" who would never work for free. This is the only fact that matters: You are entitled to nothing. "Our community" as you put it will be whatever we as individual modders make it out to be and only a hypocrite would pretend to dictate what is best for us as a collective. Paid mods is only a choice that each individual mod author can choose to pursue, and if you're against people making a choice then you should seriously reconsider your position.

Are we living in the same reality? The arts in this day and age are sheet. Everything is done by a formula to maximize profits. Movies are judged by how much cash they rake in. How many Mummy, Beauty and the Beast remakes do you need to see? Don't even get me started on music... Inject money into mods and have them filtered , curated and Bethesda-ized , what do you think will happen? Do you think they will push the envelope and come up with something outside of the formula? They have systematically dumbed down the franchise for maximum profitability. I don't think they are capable of being innovative anymore, I believe this is part of the reason they want to hijack our community. It takes modders like Kinggath to fix their profit driven after thought of a settlement system. It takes the Unofficial Patch crew to touch up and fix bugs that Bethesda to this day will not fix. Its all about money now with them. The artistry of gaming only exists for the grunts doing the actual art and even they are stifled and their creativity forced into a mold. You can be a negative pessimist to your hearts content, completely neglecting all the great works of art that has been made just to make it seem like you got a point. I need only point to the fact that you're here discussing video games and enjoying all types of media and it should be clear as day that you're an unrealistic hypocrite only pushing an agenda. So to answer your question; no, we don't live in the same reality.

You think being motivated by money is bad for creativity? The movie, book, video game and music industry says otherwise. Every artist want to profit from their creative work, trying to shame mod authors for desiring to sell their work is beyond petty, selfish and not least unrealistic. I can not begin to fathom how someone believes it's the other way around. Stop basing arguments on a pipe dream and instead face the uncomfortable truth; mods belongs to the mod author and you have no say in how it's destributed or if it's distributed in the first place.

I can flip this question towards mod users just as easily: "What happened to just playing with mods for fun?" Why can't users be content with getting content for free in their games? People who download mods with the soul intention to turn a profit out of monetized Youtube videos is a far cry from "just doing it for fun" and what little contribution a mod review does pale in comparison to the contribution from an actual mod (the very foundation of this community). Mods are supposed to be fun, they're meant for people to play and enjoy in their own private games. Mods are not meant for businesses (and yes, Youtube is a business) to use as content to shovel into their commercialized videos for profits. Using mods purely to make money is not "doing it for fun for the community", it's a business. If you can't see how this is an outrageous and unfair double standard then we got nothing to talk about and anyone who respects your opinion is just as self-absorbed as you are. People need to stop blaming mod authors and point the fingers at the actual people businesses who made modding about money, namely youtubers.

Looking at the posts, I believe it was more to do with your aggressive style of posting than anything else. My comment was removed too! These moderators just can't pick a side, can they? It's almost as if comments get deleted simply for being offensive... Nah, that can't be it. Must be because of some Nexus conspiracy, the deletion of my offensive comment proves it.

It's very difficult to give a suggestion without anything to go on though :confused:

Only when lazy, entitled and whiny children say they're disappointed and tell us what to do. Saying you're grateful means nothing when you at the same time make demands and talk as if people owe you anything. Only thing you accomplished was to come across as condescending and show us how ignorant you are in the community. You want to actually contribute, pick up the Creation Kit. You want to request mods, a little humility goes a long way. You want to sit on the sideline and whine and complain you can leave, we don't need that s#*!. That coming from the guy who made a pointless thread that adds nothing of value. Fist time I hear of it, must be just you.

The only misconception here is that you think mod authors serve some kind of greater "community" when in fact they're just people who make whatever they want in a game that you also happen to enjoy and are reaping in the benefits for free, that is what this community is. If you want something made then make it yourself, if your excuse is that you don't have the talent then you don't really want it in the first place and got no right to complain. Throwing out some mod ideas for others to pick up is all fine and dandy, but don't come here and say you're disappointed no one took the time out of their day/week/month to create it.

Awesome, can't wait to see what creative talents will bring into this incredible game :thumbsup:

If you are using a product for free and not asked to give anything in return then I don't see why you should feel violated when the site pushes advertisements and collects information to stay in business. That's just the way of things and the internet would be a very empty place without it. Edit: Personally I think we're being analysed by aliens. Wake up sheeple!

Lotus, and it was awesome :D

Saying sexual organs are for procreation and procreation only is just narrow minded, it's not that black and white. Humans and animals doesn't go around having sex because it's "the logical thing to do", they have sex because it feels good. We are creatures of pleasure and we seeks to satisfy ourselves and that is the ultimate goal and part of a natural process that often leads to procreation. We all have different ways of finding pleasure and all people are different, some people find pleasure the "traditional" way while others needs something a little different to spice it up in the bedroom, and some are exclusively attracted to the same sex. Heterosexuality, bisexuality and homosexuality is natural, pleasure is a natural thing. As for rape and paedophilia, that whole argument is dead in the water. There is sexual activity between two consenting adults and then there is rape and paedophilia where there is a victim of sexual abuse, pretty important distinction...