Exsanguinatio

@Triaxx2 I'm not sure I understood you there. If you're talking about armor for follower horses, the horse armors from Convenient Horses are cosmetic only and have no armor rating. I can't be completely sure about this, but I believe no horse armor for Skyrim have armor ratings and are cosmetic only. If Mujuro decides to give Ceri her own horse, it'll have it's own unique armor as he mentioned in his post above. And I'm sure it'll be essential or spawn again after a while like Shadowmere. It'd be just impractical to have the horse dying in the first dragon attack. If this is not what you meant and I completely missed your point, I'm sorry. It'd may be due to the lack of caffeine in my bloodstream. :wacko:

@Mujuro My point is that it'd would be better, IMHO, for Ceri to have her own unique, named horse with unique armor. It'd avoid conflicts with CH and it'd be a lot easier on you while CH will still be viable and very useful to the player. For example, I'll be using Ceri, Vilja and Atvir Dres (or Rackhir or even Elrich if you decide to make them permanent companions). If Ceri gets her own horse, I'll be able to disable CH's scripts for horses for followers and hopefully give my processor some more breathing room while keeping armor for my own horse and the ability to edit it's speed, health, stamina, etc. And like I said, if Ceri's horse gets it's own armor and have dynamic speed, I don't think people will be unhappy it's not affected by CH. Regarding the requirements for Ceri's Relationship Quest, I'll move my initial take here. Don't know why I didn't think of it before. But now that I thought it over again, reducing the requirements will not really solve the problem. In fact, it may create an even bigger one with some people still complaining about Cerwiden's quest taking too long and other complaining that it's too easy. I thought of a few suggestions that may help with that problem without reducing the required friend points. For now, that's all. If I think of something else, I'll be sure to post it.

On the topic of Ceri having her own horse independent from Convenient Horses, the mod can still be used even if Ceri and her horse are not affected by it. There's an option in CH that let's the player disable horses for followers and still use it to edit the player horse's speed, health, stamina, armor and so on. And since Ceri's horse, if you chose to go down that path, will have it's own armor, which is one of the main features of CH, I don't think people will be unhappy with it. It'd be a good idea to make Ceri's horse speed dynamic though, which is the other main feature of CH. The farther away from the player the follower is, the faster is it's horse. That way she won't fall too far behind the players if they decide to run with their horses. Especially if their horses have moddified speeds, like most using CH do.

@Mujuro Then I'm glad Vilja was released just now. I can't play Skyrim without Ceri anymore. I love her heals, her SMARTCast, her voice, her personality, her sometimes gloomy and sometimes carefree comments and so on. It just wouldn't be the same playing without her. Regarding the benefits of the follower framework, imho, the advantages of taking her out and giving her own framework that will reduce conflicts to a minimum, give you the freedom to greatly expand her quests, interactions with the enviroment, the player and other npcs while reducing your work updating and giving support, vastly outweights the benefits of UFO/AFT/EFF/etc. And if Ceri is pulled out of the follower framework, those mods can still be used with other followers with no problem. Anyway, just my input. :)

After playing just a couple of hours with Vilja and seeing what is possible to be done when a follower is removed from the follower framework, I have no more doubts that taking Ceri out of the follower framework will be for the best. Just the sheer amount of possibilities far outweight any cons, imho. I'm, sure this will require an insane amount of initial work from Mujuro and some mad coding, but I believe it'll mostly erradicate compatibility issues and will make updating much more easier. It'll also give Mujuro much more freedom to do a lot more content for Cerwiden. To anyone that still have doubts about this, I really recomend downloading Vilja and seeing what is possible to be done with their own eyes. Also note that there's absolutely no requirements whatsoever for Vilja. Cerwiden also have no requirements, but I know Mujuro had to hack and slash and bypass a lot of things to achieve this using the follower framework. @Mujuro I hope you don't mind that I linked Vilja here. But I believe she's the best example for what is possible at the moment and how much trouble removing Ceri from the follower framework will save you on future updates.

Voted for my options and like lexx005 said, let politcs be politcs. I just want to point out a few things though: Regarding question 1: Voted no as I find summonables more annoying then helpful. But if this was optional and could be turned off, just like the area destruction spells, I'd have no problem with it at all. Regarding question 2: Voted yes and I see no reason why this would be lore-breaking. If you have a sneaky character playing on master difficulty with enemies with buffed armor and health using Deadly Dragons like me, this would be a huge help. The last thing you want as a sneaky character is to be spoted before being able to deal a first crippling blow. Now, if you don't use much sneak, how would Ceri having more sneak impact your game at all? What I'm trying to say is: Ceri being more sneaky would be a huge help to those who depend on this stat while having no impact whatsoever to anyone that doesn't depend on it. So, if people who don't use nor depend on sneak won't even notice the change, how can this break immersion at all? Regarding question 3: Voted no by mistake. I'm sleep deprived and have too much blood on the caffeine running through my veins, so don't judge me. :( Not sure if I can fix my vote on this one. If I can't, just consider +1 vote to the "important" option. Fixed my vote. Regarding taking Ceri out of the follower system, I think it's a great idea. The only problem I'd have is with her horse. I use horses a lot since I try not to use fast-travel and I'd feel like a slave owner if Ceru had to follow me on foot. But since that's not an issue, I'm all for it. And I do have a few suggestions regarding that. Since she's a priestess, I think her horse should be white. It'd fit her best, imho. She may arrive in Skyrim in it and during or maybe after her main Chaos Lords quests, Lord Donblas could reward her with an upgraded staff (maybe that uses expert level magic. Since the average player needs at least lvl 35 to complete the Chaos Lords questline, I believe it wouldn't be OP by then) and a horse armor for her trusty steed (is there any named horses on the Elric Saga that could be her horse name?). This horse armor would be awesome and I believe fits the epic and godly armor a Law Lord should give. The good thing is that horse armor is part of a modders resource called Horse Armors for Skyrim and doesn't require permission to be used. This one would be good too but I believe you'd have to ask for permission from the mod author to use it, despite being a version of the first horse armor I linked. Also, I think Ceri deserves her own unique horse and horse armor so I believe the first armor I linked is the best option. Just my 2 cents. :)

@Mujuro Yes, I voted these options myself. :) But what I meant with my question was that, if you were to build new smart archetypes, you wouldn't change Cerwiden and these new archetypes would be new followers, right? I love Cerwiden the way she is and it would be strange for her to, suddenly, become an assassin or warrior. But if these new archetypes were implemented into completely new followers, that would be beyond awesome. And if you go down that path, I'm sure any other mod that adds followers would become obsolete. I might keep some of them just for their looks. But in battle, if we take Ceri as an example of smart npcs, your followers will always be better. And just to add my 2 cents, I'd love a brunette or red headed ranger. :) Also, thanks for the hint of what to expect from Ceri's questline. I'm really excited about it! :D

@Mujuro Just to clarify: when you ask about other archetypes, you're talking about creating other followers and not just giving Ceri a new role, right? If that's the case, I'd love a brunette/redhead stealthy assassin that's more than confortable using crossbows. That way I can give her one of the dwemer rifles that comes with this mod and the bullets from this one. I'd really recomend those if you haven't tried them yet, btw. With Ceri, a new assassin/ranger and that horse armor for Ceri's horse I talked about, my Skyrim experience will be complete.

Hello everyone! I'd like to request a mod that alters the palomino horse from Convenient Horses (the white one) to have this armor: This armor is available here and is a modder resource now. Mitchalek, who made Convenient Horses, already made an addon that adds that armor but for Frost only. I'd like to have that armor available for the palomino horse so my healer follower can use it and this would fit her like a glove. Mitchalek also told me how one could accomplish this and, with his permission, I'll copy what he told me: I understand nothing about the Creationt Kit or Wyre Smash and wouldn't know how to even begin to do this myself. My hope is that someone would make that armor available to all follower horses and, if that's not possible, modify the palomino horse so we can have a whiter horse to wear this armor. If anyone can make this happens, this person will have my eternal thanks, kudos, votes and endorsements. :D