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In response to post #24750659. #24751234, #24751479, #24751989, #24752184, #24752194, #24752214, #24752369, #24752499, #24752619, #24752624, #24752694, #24752819, #24752834, #24752854, #24752944, #24753079, #24753134, #24753249, #24755354, #24755649, #24755674, #24755734, #24755859, #24756679, #24756804, #24757029, #24757049 are all replies on the same post. @Fowldragon Have you read any of the comments on here, on the Steam Workshop or Reddit? There is some GamerGate level circle jerk going on with people screaming "WE WON!!!" There was *most definitely* a large group of people wanting payed mods to go away simply because they don't want change or to pay for their mods. And they had to absolutely make sure that every modder with the IDEA of monetizing their work was the biggest betrayal they could do towards Skyrim modding. Saying that people only protested against the *way* in which Valve offered payed mods (which was really flawed) is simply not true. READING COMPREHENSION.

In response to post #24750659. #24751234, #24751479, #24751989, #24752184, #24752194, #24752214, #24752369, #24752499, #24752619, #24752624, #24752694, #24752819, #24752834, #24752854, #24752944, #24753079, #24753134, #24753249, #24755354, #24755649, #24755674, #24755734, #24755859, #24756679, #24756804, #24757029 are all replies on the same post. @mljh11 "A) Modders have every right to ASK for compensation for their work as any other artist does." ASK, ASK, ASK. My original post was targeted towards the vitriolic and insane behavior of some very shitty people on here against modders asking for compensation for their work. SURE, they don't have legally and technically that right. But neither do Let's Players. It is a legally muddy place. But they have the right to ASK as much as anyone else for it and NOT be bombarded by a bunch of insane maniacs with "FREEDOM!!!" badges.

In response to post #24750659. #24751234, #24751479, #24751989, #24752184, #24752194, #24752214, #24752369, #24752499, #24752619, #24752624, #24752694, #24752819, #24752834, #24752854, #24752944, #24753079, #24753134, #24753249, #24755354, #24755674 are all replies on the same post. So what you're saying is they DO have the right to sell their mods but it's legally a lot more complicated than other games? Here's a quote from my original post: "Legally it's complicated and the process for creating and setting up a platform for payed mods requires more thought than what Bethesda and Valve did." Again, there are two different arguments going on here. A) Modders have every right to ask for compensation for their work as any other artist does. B) How does this all legally even work? Valve and Bethesda kinda didn't put a lot of thought into B and just hoped it would work, it failed miserably though because of the exact reasons you just explained. That still doesn't change the fact that modders have every right to ask for compensation. And I've still not seen a single argument against that fact.

In response to post #24750659. #24751234, #24751479, #24751989, #24752184, #24752194, #24752214, #24752369, #24752499, #24752619, #24752624, #24752694, #24752819, #24752834, #24752854, #24752944, #24753079, #24753134 are all replies on the same post. No problem, good day sir.

In response to post #24750659. #24751234, #24751479, #24751989, #24752184, #24752194, #24752214, #24752369, #24752499, #24752619, #24752624, #24752694, #24752819, #24752834, #24752854 are all replies on the same post. You're somehow thinking that I'm arguing that when someone asks money for something you HAVE to pay for it. I'm not saying that at all. What I'm saying, is that person HAS to have the OPTION of asking money for his work. Whether YOU want to or not is an entirely DIFFERENT matter. I don't think I can make this any clearer.

In response to post #24750659. #24751234, #24751479, #24751989, #24752184, #24752194, #24752214, #24752369, #24752499, #24752619, #24752624, #24752694, #24752834 are all replies on the same post. Why are you asking why he wants to make a living off of his hobby? Is that a difficult question for you? is that a hard concept to grasp? How do you think movies, theater, paintings, ANYTHING artistic became a "market" ? Because the artists started asking compensation for their work, because they deemed it worthy of compensation. They have the RIGHT to do that, and it is your RIGHT to say. "Nah, that's not worth my money."

In response to post #24750659. #24751234, #24751479, #24751989, #24752184, #24752194, #24752214, #24752369, #24752499, #24752619 are all replies on the same post. "Why should you give money to a musician or an artist JUST BECAUSE they make music and art?| What the hell does that even mean? Are you serious? That's how the world works! You pay for admission to a concert, pay for Spotify, pay for iTunes. And you GET THE PRODUCT.

In response to post #24750659. #24751234, #24751479, #24751989, #24752184, #24752194, #24752214, #24752499 are all replies on the same post. "as the *part* of the players you despise." "don't generalise." So first you're pointing out that I'm upset with a *portion* of this community but then you go out of your way to say I'm generalizing? OF COURSE it's not as straight forward as putting a price point on a mod and calling it a day. I actually pointed that out in my original post. But the act of asking for compensation and getting payed for modifications is valid and is a choice on the part of the creator that has to exist. I can't blame any modder from pulling their work from Nexus now. Having people now proclaim that "modding is a hobby, it should always be free!" etc is wrong. You cannot dictate what modders are or aren't, that is up to them. They want to ask for money for their mods? More power to them. It's "generalize" btw.

In response to post #24750659. #24751234, #24751479, #24751989, #24752184, #24752194 are all replies on the same post. Actually, you CAN. And it is up to the consumer to determine if they believe it is worth their money or not. And give a tantrum? Are you shitting me? You think modders gave a tantrum? Go ask about Chesko's death threat filled inbox. Who's hiring musicians? Who's hiring artists? Who's hiring entrepreneurs? Your argument that you can only get payed when someone hires you is ridiculous.

In response to post #24750659. #24751234 is also a reply to the same post. you're literally contradicting yourself "I'm all for modders getting compensation for their work if they wish to monetize it, it's their work after all..." "No modder has a RIGHT to get anything at all just because they happen to be modders and have uploaded something that others might use or not." What does that even mean? They have as much right to ask for compensation for their work as people that make effing hats for TF2. Unless someone hired them to do it? What? Are you saying there is no such thing as self employment? Modding already *is* a job, an unpaid one.

In response to post #24750829. Amen.

Calling *modders* greedy for wanting compensation for their work and wanting everything to be free? No, NO. YOU are greedy for wanting everything for free. People have the RIGHT to ask for compensation for their work. Legally it's complicated and the process for creating and setting up a platform for payed mods requires more thought than what Bethesda and Valve did. This community has showed it's true face these past couple of weeks. I'm seriously not sure what to think now of this place. You people should be ashamed of yourselves. Vilifying your most creative and awesome individuals as greedy morally bankrupt people. Awful.

In response to post #24563049. #24563679 is also a reply to the same post. I'm willing to bet that a lot of people on here have more than 80 or so mods running in their games. Imagining paying for all of those is blowing my mind already but it's going to happen.

I guess payed mods for Fallout 4 are going to be an integral and very real thing then.

Oh hey that seems to fit the bill quite nicely although it seems like the mod is no longer being actively updated.