Khettienna

As someone who has been uploading mods here for years, I just want to say that I am very appreciative of the new file publishing process, including the new image uploading interface. Very well done. Thank you!

I've said it already, and you've probably read it, but just in case... here. The big picture is important. The site has to get paid for somehow. You won't have a site without free users, though, because the modders will pack their bags too if they aren't getting high traffic (versus other sites, mod quality/popularity notwithstanding). I've never seen a community get this upset about ads, but I've also never seen so many abrasive ads on a "community" site. On all the other modding sites I visit, people complain about the ads on this site, or ask if you've gotten a virus again because there are so many ads. Fellow modder friends of mine have picked up their mods and moved elsewhere, because they don't even want to come here to check for feedback on their uploads. The breadth and volume of complaints is astonishing. I hope you will consider that seriously, and not just dismiss it because "of course there were going to be complaints".

I wasn't stating functionality has been lost - that snippet is from another thread, as I mentioned, and it was theoretical. Though, I have heard some folks say they feel that it has already been lost, and that they are moving their mods elsewhere. So, the spiral has started. :confused:

"Your download will be available after this brief video brought to you by Playwire.com." I don't really mind text ads or static images hanging out on the page. I (barely) stomached the inline videos. This is too far for me. I already had adblock and flashblock turned on for this site after the first virus fiasco, but I still got this popup window, and there didn't appear to be a way to start the download without watching the video. I realize things have to get paid for somehow, but there has to be a better way. Ads this heavy-handed are going to chase off your free users. Without your free users, download numbers will shrink, and modders won't find incentive to upload here. It's a downward spiral for everyone. I want this site to be successful because I want to continue hosting mods here and get the heavy foot traffic. So please, find another way to generate revenue other than scaring off the free users. Maybe find ways to improve the site, so that people will have greater incentive to pay for memberships. I paid for mine when I could out of loyalty and gratitude, not because of special features. In fact, here's a thing I posted in a thread on the same subject on the official forums. Buddah rightly pointed out that we should be posting about it here, not there, so here's a paste: So yeah, to those of you who say, "Just get a subscription! Easy pie!" Well, it's not for everyone, actually. You can't expect to know other people's circumstances. Also, not everyone is such a "hardcore" modder or mod user that they would pay, anyway - and they never will be if they grump off from modding sites because the ads are overwhelming. So, there's my plea. Please find another way.

Dark0ne, thank you. =)

@zzzztz: And when you're a tyrannical leader, you're welcome to take whatever you "must" have and make people do what "must" be done with them at your whim. But since right now you're not King, you don't get to make the rules of this website, or Bethesda's terms of use, or copyright law, and you don't get to own any modders, or any mods - really, just you're lucky mods exist at all and you get to see them in any form. So I would say, in this case, use of the word "must" is probably a poor choice. Try asking nicely, and with the understanding that you don't get to pick. Edit: emote failure

Also, two more interface notes: The text field for Credits doesn't seem to be taking [ list ] tags correctly; the last line is displayed as though not part of the list, and shows its tags. The tickbox for wanting to specify one's own permission settings doesn't "stick" from one edit to the next. Edit: And for the record, yes, this is much cleaner. Thank you again. =)

@Dark0ne: Thank you, that suits me just fine. =) Welp, I will try not to not take my assumed-criminalness to heart, then, and let you search my bags everytime I leave the store with a new purchase. ;-) @holbrook: Erm, that's not my post you're debating with, I tink it was Offkorn's. Mine was all interface-related. @star-mystyk: A true patch will not actually include any of your content, at least not without being dependent on your mod. Thus it would neither compete with your original mod, nor distribute your resources, and would be considered fair play all-around. If that's not the case, you probably want to re-word your complaint to make a better case for yourself, noting that your resources are actually being distributed without your approval. I would actually like to ask about this to gain some clarity. There are a lot of mods - some of them popular, well-loved, long-standing mods made by upstanding modders - who have used either resources or "ideas" (i.e. plugin-only work) without explicit permission. In many of these cases, "fair use" (not in the legal sense maybe, just in the practical sense, I don't want to argue about what "fair use" is or isn't) was assumed because they gave proper credits, the original maker left no statements about permissions one way or the other, the original maker could no longer be contacted and was assumed to have left the scene, and/or they expressed willingness to cease & desist if the original modder expressed any opposition to the use of said resources or ideas. So it could be that a mod that's been up for two years now includes something from a mod that came out four years ago from a modder who hasn't even logged in as many years. How will you be handling these situations? Will those mods be considered in violation? I have a personal example I'll toss out for the masses to scrutinize: Gold Road Cottage was the first mod I ever released, as kind of a self-tutorial. It started out as this mod here, and there are plenty of elements of the original mod still left in my version. This mod contains no resources, only plugin work, if that makes any difference. I also know I'm not the only one who has edited & distributed this mod, because it had bugs and a few people have uploaded "fixed" versions here or there over the years. The original maker did come back after a year and a half of inactivity just long enough to note that he would like credit if anyone redistributes the mod, which I think implies the allowance of distribution; however, I think a few of us had uploaded our versions before he actually clarified this one way or another. Now, maybe him coming back and leaving a clarifying statement saved us all. But if he hadn't, would we all be in trouble right now? Are you hunting such mods and weeding them out? Do people who have used resources and/or plugin work in such a manner need to be busy re-working their mods to not contain that work, or pulling their mods down? TLDR: I'm probably just being dense, but I'd like some black-and-white clarity on reuse of likely-abandoned mods with no permissions specified.

I heartily agree with both of these. I like the intent of what you're doing here. I don't like the execution. These dialogue boxes and warnings seem to be increasing in size and color saturation every time you add a new one, and they're getting spammy for both uploaders and downloaders. It feels hostile. I have to put my permissions and credits in my Readmes anyway. Now I get to do it twice - once for the Readme, and once for Nexus. Except the Nexus drop-downs can't actually sum what is in my Readme with any sense or accuracy, so I'm forced to choose the closet thing, and copy/paste that portion of my Readme into your boxes anyways to clarify, and then it's just a confusing mess because the two are right next to each other and say blatantly different things. I suggest you just do away with the drop-downs entirely, and just leave a friendly reminder for users to give credit and set permissions. Maybe link to an article with details on what that is, for new uploaders. If you MUST have users define permissions (or be stuck with what you've chosen for them, in the case of absence or apathy), consider tickboxes. Ones that don't make logical sense to used together can cancel each other out, and some will have a few sub-options, and generally the uploader can tick any number or combination. I came up with these, which may be too much or not enough: Mod Usage: You may not distribute this mod. You may distribute this mod freely. [Only for the game I made it for] [The mod must not be altered in any way.] [You must give me credit for my work.] [You must notify me.] [You must include a link back to my download.] [You must include my original documentation.] [You must not require payment for my work or access to my work.] You must ask my permission before distributing this mod. You may distribute translations of this mod freely. [The mod must not be altered except where necessary for the translation.] [Only for the game I made it for] [You must give me credit for my work.] [You must notify me.] [You must include a link back to my download.] [You must include my original documentation.] [You must not require payment for my work or access to my work.] You must ask my persmission before distributing a translation of this mod. My Resources: You may distribute my resources from this mod freely. [Only for the game I made it for] [You must give me credit for my work.] [You must notify me.] [You must include a link back to my download.] [You must include my original documentation.] [You must not require payment for my work or access to my work.] You must ask my permission before distributing my resources from this mod. You may not distribute my resources from this mod. Other Resources: This mod contains resources originally made by someone else, so you must follow thier wishes for distribution of those resources. In this last case, there need be no other options, because nobody should get to define permissions for someone else's work. If it was a free-to-use resource, any conscientious modder should still go look at the original source to be sure of that fact before re-using the resource. Just an idea anyway, in an effort to not complain without at least trying to help. I do like what you mean to be doing here. Edit: no codebox tags? :( Edit 2: Posting over you is awesome. >.<