Revert mid-game order changes.

[Tryvonvexian]

I accidently loaded vortex 180 hours into a skyrim game. Vortex proceeded through it's usual routine including auto-deployment of my mods, which completely reordered my mod list. I am now unable to load my save game as 320 of my 350 mods have had their load order changed.

 

Is their any way to tell vortex to put everything back in the same ****ing order i had it in to begin with? Manually sorting 320 mods seems to completely defeat the purpose of vortex itself. I'm gonna have to make an insane amount of dependency rules...

 

Any help is appreciated.

[rmm200]

It is really hard to picture your situation. "Accidently loaded Vortex" - what does that mean?

Were the mods you were concerned about manually installed?

Vortex does not change load orders willy-nilly, and never deploys a mod you did not install in Vortex and enable in Vortex.

Some more details would help.

[Tryvonvexian]

I clicked on the vortex icon on my desktop by accident when trying to open another program. Vortex loaded and told me it had an update. I let it install. When vortex restarted it went through the usual stuff you get when vortex loads. "Preparing game for modding" "Deploying mods". When it was finished I went to load my last save and kept crashing just before the load finished. I checked multiple saves (included three i've loaded successfully earlier in the day) nothing would work.

 

I remembered that when i was installing my mods in preparation for my game i had to leave vortex running as everytime the program starts up it autosorts the load order. So i checked my save in wyrebash and, sure enough, the vast majority of my mods have changed where they are.

I was hoping there was an "undo sort" button or a "sort based on save game" option.

 

But like, for example, i have two patches enabled for helgen reborn. Vortex swaps which order they load in everytime i restart the program.

[Zanderat]

Well, I am not sure this is exactly what you are looking for. But you can turn off auto-sorting on the plugins tab.

 

It sounds to me like you had mods installed outside of Vortex. No mod manager can correctly handle those, as it would no nothing about them.

 

I am not aware of any sort per save option, but it would be handy if you got in a jam, I suppose.

[Tryvonvexian]

Took me over 2 hours of manually setting up rules to get my load order back in the same order it was in before this happened but it's done. Game is loading again and stable. And i've turned off autosort so i can start vortex without it immediately sorting my load order. Hopefully that'll prevent the problem from happening again.

 

I will note that all my mods were added through vortex but i do have a number of custom-made ones and it seems to just sort them anywhere it feels like. One sort a mod'll be 36th on the list, next sort it'll be 218. A lot of mods and patches seem to do the same thing, even if downloaded from nexus. Legacy of the dragonborn patches, for example. They might as well have been thrown in the air and inserted where they land...lol

 

Regardless, it's all working now.

[rmm200]

Something else to keep in mind: Vortex does not set loot order.

That is handled by Loot - which Vortex calls.

If you don't like the way Loot handles order - you will not be happy with Vortex either.

That said - I have never seen a problem with Loot established order. That is the only thing it does.

[AugustaCalidia]

Congratulations to the OP on recovering a game that is now running and stable. That is always a relief, especially when it's a game in which you've invested a lot of time and effort.

 

That said, I find OP's situation puzzling and wonder why my own experience and his differ. I have been modding Skyrim SE with Vortex since its alpha days, and I have never experienced the somewhat willy-nilly plugin sorting that the OP describes. Particularly in regard to "Legacy of the Dragonborn" patches, Vortex sorts them with LOOT and then leaves them alone, even with autosort enabled. Furthermore, in all the time I've modded Skyrim SE with Vortex, I've only made four plugin rules, which I did by way of group assignments. Vortex has always respected these assignments and left them where I put them.

 

I've had similar results using Vortex to mod Fallout 4, Fallout 3, Fallout NV, and Enderal FS.

 

My point here is not at all to gainsay the OP's experience with Vortex. Rather, it is to express genuine puzzlement as to why our experiences with Vortex sorting could be so different.

[Tannin42]

fyi: On the savegames screen you can right-click the save and the option "Restore Save Game Plugins" should restore your plugin order to exactly how it was when that save was created.

[Guest deleted34304850]

i've been using vortex since alpha and never, not once, has it proceeded to autosort/autodeploy/auto anything upon start up that would compromise the load order of a game i've modded.

what else did you do, to trigger vortex into performing those actions?

something is missing from your tale.

[Pickysaurus]

LOOT sorts (which are what Vortex uses to sort your plugins) are designed to be deterministic. Meaning the same input should produce the same output. So the only reason for the order to change would be that you'd added or removed mods from your load order since you last sorted it. I suppose it's also possible that the LOOT rules have been updated since the last sort, but I doubt that would cause a dramatic shift.

 

I've also seen no credible evidence the reordering your plugins have any kind of impact on your save game. It's only removing mods mid-save that is known to be dangerous. I could go into a bit more details but from what I've read, as long as you have the same plugins the order isn't all that important.