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Sometimes get a little carried away downloading mods, but I've used Loot to make sure the load order is fine and there isn't any dirty mods.
Game loads up fine to tittle screen, but when I try to load into a new game, the loading bar gets about 10% but then immediately CTDs. No not responding error or anything. Any help appreciated I'm not very good at this haha

Load Order

0 0 Oblivion.esm
1 1 Av Latta Magicka.esm
2 2 CustomSpellIcons - OBME.esm
3 3 Fundament.esm
4 4 Oblivifall Master File.esm
5 5 MigMaster.esm
6 6 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm
7 7 Mart's Monster Mod.esm
8 8 Better Cities Resources.esm
9 9 Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esm
10 a Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp
11 b UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp
12 c Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
13 d DLCShiveringIsles.esp
14 e Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp
15 f Better Cities .esp
16 10 DLCHorseArmor.esp
17 11 DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp
18 12 DLCOrrery.esp
19 13 DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp
20 14 DLCVileLair.esp
21 15 DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp
22 16 DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
23 17 DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp
24 18 DLCSpellTomes.esp
25 19 DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp
26 1a DLCThievesDen.esp
27 1b DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp
28 1c DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp
29 1d DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
30 1e DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp
31 1f DLCFrostcrag.esp
32 20 DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp
33 21 Knights.esp
34 22 Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp
35 23 OBME_CreateMgef_example.esp
OBME_SEFF_example.esp
OBME_MDAV_example.esp
OBME_EIOverrides_example.esp
OBME_Reclaim_example.esp
36 24 RshAlchemy.esp
37 25 RshAlchemy - AVU.esp
38 26 Auto Update Leveled Items And Spells.esp
39 27 Initial Glow Redux.esp
40 28 BadderFrostFX.esp
41 29 DarNifiedUI Config Addon.esp
42 2a Extended UI.esp
FasterArrows225.esp
43 2b FasterArrows175.esp
FasterArrows150.esp
FasterArrows200.esp
FasterArrows125.esp
FasterArrows250.esp
44 2c MigFEA.esp
45 2d FEA Enhanced.esp
46 2e Bundlement.esp
47 2f ImmersiveHealthIndication.esp
48 30 Initial Glow Redux - Creatures.esp
49 31 P1DkeyChain.esp
50 32 LINK.esp
51 33 Magic Spell Perks Balanced.esp
52 34 Magic Spell Perks.esp
53 35 Magic Skill Perks Nerfed.esp
54 36 Magic Skill Perks GodLevel.esp
55 37 MigMiscellanea.esp
56 38 MOO Loading Screens - New Pics.esp
57 39 Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp
58 3a Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp
59 3b NineDivinesFactionIcons.esp
60 3c MigPickpocket.esp
61 3d MigLockpicking.esp
62 3e DLCThievesDen - BarterForUpgrd.esp
63 3f Ultimate Leveling.esp
64 40 MigWolfRestore.esp
65 41 All Natural - Real Lights.esp
66 42 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp
OBME_DSPL_example.esp
67 43 OOOExtended.esp
68 44 OOOShiveringIsles.esp
69 45 Av Latta Magicka - Rebalance Complete.esp
70 46 LightsOut.esp
71 47 RshAlchemyRecipes.esp
72 48 Trails Of Cyrodiil Complete.esp
73 49 Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esp
74 4a Oblivifall - Losing My Religion.esp
75 4b Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp
76 4c MaleBodyReplacerV5.esp
77 4d Oblivion_Character_Overhaul.esp
78 4e OCO_DLCOrrery_Patch.esp
79 4f OCO_DLCHorseArmor_Patch.esp
80 50 OCO_DLCMehrunesRazor_Patch.esp
81 51 Kvatch Rebuilt.esp
82 52 Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp
83 53 Oblivion Content Restoration Project.esp
OBME_SMAC_example.esp
84 54 Alluring Potion Bottles v3.esp
85 55 Oblivifall - Ambiant Dungeon SFX.esp
86 56 Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp
87 57 Weapon Expansion Pack for Oblivion Nthusiasts.esp
88 58 OCO_UOP_USIP_Patch.esp
89 59 OCO_DLCThievesDen_Patch.esp
90 5a OCO_KvatchRebuilt_Patch.esp
91 5b RoadLights.esp
92 5c Grass Overhaul.esp
93 5d MannimarcoRevisited.esp
94 5e DialogTweaks.esp
95 5f Oblivifall - Something's Not Right.esp
RAEVWD Cities.esp
96 60 Project Ambience.esp
97 61 MannimarcoComplete.esp
98 62 Av Latta Magicka.esp
99 63 BadderShockFX.esp
BadderNuclearFireFX.esp
100 64 OOOExtendedArcheryPatch.esp
101 65 Immersive Weapons.esp
102 66 BadderFireFX.esp
103 67 Balanced Creatures.esp
104 68 BetterLegendaryItems.esp
105 69 CM_Better Wine.esp
106 6a Consistent Beggar Voices.esp
107 6b Dungeon Actors Have Torches 1.6 DT.esp
108 6c Dungeon Actors Have Torches 1.6 CT.esp
109 6d Realistic Misc Item Value.esp
110 6e Glowing Wonders.esp
111 6f More Skooma Dealers.esp
112 70 MannimarcoWardrobeChest.esp
113 71 PersuasionOverhaul.esp
114 72 PersuasionOverhaul_LITE.esp
115 73 PersuasionOverhaul_OOO.esp
PersuasionOverhaul_MMM.esp
116 74 SB_WeaponDropFix.esp
117 75 Skooma in the Shivering Isles.esp
118 76 Soulgem Magic.esp
RAEVWD Imperial City.esp
119 77 Weapon Improvement Project.esp
120 78 Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp
121 79 Natural_Weather_HDR_by_Max_Tae_CO_RD.esp
122 7a Kvatch Rebuilt - OOO Adaptation.esp
123 7b Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp
124 7c Mart's Monster Mod - DLCHorseArmor+Slofs .esp
125 7d Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp
126 7e Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp
127 7f Mart's Monster Mod for OOO - Knights .esp
128 80 OCO_KnightsOTN_Patch.esp
129 81 Mart's Monster Mod - Divserse Wisp and VASE Addon.esp
130 82 Mart's Monster Mod - No Bone Loot.esp
131 83 Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp
132 84 Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp
133 85 Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp
134 86 Natural_Weather_HDR_2.1.3_coloroverride.esp.esp
135 87 Natural_Weather_HDR_by_Max_Tael.esp
136 88 Natural_Weather_by_Max_Tael.esp
137 89 Mart's Monster Mod - More Passive Wildlife.esp
138 8a Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Creatures Expansion.esp
139 8b Mart's Monster Mod - RadiantAITweaks.esp
140 8c Mart's Monster Mod - No Balrogs.esp
141 8d Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp
142 8e Mart's Monster Mod - Less Reavers.esp
143 8f Mart's Monster Mod - Friendlier Factions OOO.esp
144 90 Mart's Monster Mod - Friendlier Factions MMM+Fran.esp
145 91 Mart's Monster Mod - Undead Rise Fix.esp
146 92 Mart's Monster Mod - Zombies for Body Meshes.esp
147 93 Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Quest Locations.esp
148 94 Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot OOO.esp
149 95 Enhanced Water v2.0 HD.esp
150 96 Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp
151 97 Oblivifall - Let's Talk!.esp
152 98 Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp
153 99 Unique Landscapes.esp
154 9a xuldarkforest.esp
155 9b xulStendarrValley.esp
156 9c xulTheHeath.esp
157 9d xulEntiusGorge.esp
158 9e xulFallenleafEverglade.esp
159 9f xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp
160 a0 xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp
161 a1 xulBravilBarrowfields.esp
162 a2 xulLushWoodlands.esp
163 a3 xulAncientYews.esp
164 a4 xulAncientRedwoods.esp
165 a5 xulCloudtopMountains.esp
166 a6 xulArriusCreek.esp
167 a7 xulPatch_AY_AC.esp
168 a8 xulRollingHills_EV.esp
169 a9 xulPantherRiver.esp
170 aa xulRiverEthe.esp
171 ab xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp
172 ac xulImperialIsle.esp
173 ad Grass Overhaul_xUL_Imperial_Isle_patch.esp
174 ae xulBlackwoodForest.esp
175 af xulCheydinhalFalls.esp
176 b0 ULE KvatchRebuilt-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp
177 b1 xulAspenWood.esp
178 b2 xulSnowdale.esp
179 b3 xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp
180 b4 ULS OscurosOblivionOverhaul-UniqueLandscapes merged patch.esp
181 b5 ULE MannimarcoResurrection-CliffsOfAnvil patch.esp
ULE MMMDungeons-CliffsOfAnvil patch.esp
182 b6 xulSilverfishRiverValley.esp
183 b7 xulTheEasternPeaks.esp
184 b8 ULS MannimarcoResurrection-EasternPeaks patch.esp
185 b9 xulJerallGlacier.esp
186 ba xulSkingradOutskirts.esp
187 bb Better Cities Full.esp
xulChorrolHinterland-BC6.esp
188 bc Better Cities - Leyawiin Flooded.esp
189 bd Better Cities Chorrol - Oblivifall Losing My Religion.esp
190 be Better Cities Chorrol - Knights of the Nine.esp
Oblivifall - Losing My Religion BC Bravil.esp
Oblivifall - Losing My Religion BC Bruma.esp
191 bf Better Cities Skingrad - Oblivifall Losing My Religion.esp
ULS BetterCitiesSkingrad-SkingradOutskirts patch.esp
ULS BetterCitiesBravil-BravilBarrowfields patch.esp
ULS BetterCitiesCheydinhal-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp
ULS BetterCitiesBruma-Snowdale patch.esp
192 c0 ULE BetterCitiesBravil-PantherRiver patch.esp
193 c1 Better Cities - IC Imperial Isle.esp
194 c2 Better Imperial City.esp
SafeCloningFunction - Filter.esp
195 c3 Bashed Patch, 0.esp
196 c4 Maskar's Oblivion Overhaul.esp
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One of the biggest downside to installing a huge number of mods and then testing is you have little or no idea where to start troubleshooting. It's like looking for one particular strand of spaghetti on a plateful of spaghetti smothered in sauce ... you pick one, pull it out of the pile and see if it's the right one. When you find it's not the right one you rinse and repeat until you get lucky or give up.

 

To the uninitiated my tried and true method of mod install may seem like "the slow way" but in the end I find the benefits far and away outweigh any downsides.

 

I begin with a vanilla install, start the game and test that all runs as expected. If needed I make any fine tuning adjustments with either Oblivion.ini or the game's menus and finish with a final test to get a feel for game stability and performance.

 

Only then do I install one mod, and follow that with a thorough enough test to determine both whether or not the mod works but also how it affect both stability and performance. If all is as expected I install one more mod (followed by the thorough test phase). When I run into a mod that causes either stability or performance issues I know precisely which mod to start looking at closely to find either issues or tweaks to resolve the situation.

 

Yes it took me a while to get my load order installed to my liking , but that was in part because of how some of the mods in my load order interact with one another (plus they both offered adjustments via their respective INIs, so there were a lot of variables to test). The upside (beyond everything working together) is that I have a very good feel for how each mod in my load order affects stability and performance. Any time I've run into issues while playing I've known where to start looking when troubleshooting.

 

That character and load order is now over six years and 5790 hours of playing and still going strong.

 

00  Oblivion.esm
01  EnhancedWeather.esm  [Version 1.4.4]
02  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.73]
03  Kvatch Rebuilt.esm
04  Race Repository.esm
05  Minotaur Race.esm
06  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.5.1]
++  UOPS Additional Changes.esp
++  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
07  DLCShiveringIsles.esp
08  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.5.5]
++  USIPS Additional Changes.esp
++  VCI Shivering Start CC.esp
09  EnhancedWeather.esp  [Version 1.4.4]
0A  Idle Dialogue.esp  [Version 1.3]
0B  1em_GiveAGift.esp  [Version 1.2]
0C  Torch Hotkey.esp
0D  CoO1.esp
0E  DialogTweaks.esp  [Version 1.2]
0F  Female Lich.esp
10  Personality Idles - Modified version.esp  [Version 1.4]
11  See You Sleep DLL.esp
12  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 5.4.3]
13  Lava Does Fire Damage.esp
14  Hotkey Pro.esp  [Version 1.3]
15  FovZoom.esp
16  DLCHorseArmor.esp
17  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.8]
18  SM Plugin Refurbish - HorseArmor.esp  [Version 1.11]
19  DLCOrrery.esp
1A  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
1B  SM Plugin Refurbish - Orrery.esp  [Version 1.11]
1C  DLCVileLair.esp
1D  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.10]
++  SM Plugin Refurbish - VileLair.esp  [Version 1.21]
1E  See You Sleep DLL - DLCVileLair.esp
1F  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
20  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.6]
21  SM Plugin Refurbish - MehrunesRazor.esp  [Version 1.30]
22  DLCSpellTomes.esp
++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]
**  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer.esp
++  BladeofWoeReplacer9Tongues.esp
23  KnightsOfTheThornArmor.esp
24  RealSwords - Argonian LO-NPC.esp
25  RealSwords - Bosmer LO-NPC.esp
26  RealSwords - Breton LO-NPC.esp
27  RealSwords - Dunmer LO-NPC.esp
28  RealSwords - Khajiit LO-NPC v1.3.esp
29  RealSwords - Nord LO-NPC SI.esp
2A  RealSwords - Orc LO-NPC v1.0.esp
2B  RealSwords - Redguard LO-NPC.esp
2C  Goblin Realswords+Tribal Shields.esp
2D  DLCThievesDen.esp
2E  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.12]
2F  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.12]
30  SM Plugin Refurbish - ThievesDen.esp  [Version 1.30]
31  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.73]
32  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]
++  Cobl Tweaks - SI.esp
33  Alluring Potion Bottles v3.esp
34  Alluring Wine Bottles.esp
35  kuerteeWanderingEncounters.esp
36  AK_corpses_collector.esp
37  AleswellHomeQuest.esp
38  AleswellCOBLaddon.esp
++  Cheydinhal Land Texture Fix.esp  [Version 2.0]
39  Whispered Warning.esp
3A  Better Dark Brotherhood Sanctuary.esp  [Version 3.22]
3B  Better Abandoned House.esp  [Version 2.0]
3C  BDBS - Whispered Warning Patch.esp  [Version 3.22]
3D  BravilBridgeCottage.esp  [Version 2.1]
3E  BravilBridgeCotCOBLaddon.esp
3F  BrotherhoodRenewed.esp  [Version 1.1.2]
40  EMBridgeHouse.esp
41  EMBridgeHouseCOBLaddon.esp
42  EMLeyawiinhouse.esp
43  EMLeyawiinhouseCOBLaddon.esp
44  EM_Cheydinhalhouse1.esp
45  COBL_EMCheydinhalSwanCottage.esp
46  EM_RedRoseManor.esp  [Version 2.0]
47  EMRedRoseAddonCOBL.esp
48  EM_Packdonkeys.esp  [Version 2.1]
49  GwedenBrothel.esp
4A  GwedenExpansion.esp
++  Kvatch Rebuilt Weather Patch.esp
4B  RoxeyCottage.esp  [Version 2.3]
4C  RoxeyCottageCOBLaddon.esp
4D  RumpleMod.esp
4E  RumpleModSI.esp
4F  Temple District Repaired.esp
50  TinyHouse.esp
51  COBLaddonTinyHouse.esp
52  WaterlilyCottage1.esp  [Version 1.1]
53  WaterlilyCottageCOBLaddon.esp
54  Panther River Smuggler's Shack.esp
55  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
56  DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]
57  SM Plugin Refurbish - Battlehorn.esp  [Version 1.30]
58  FalkreathGS_RM.esp
59  DLCFrostcrag.esp
5A  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]
5B  SM Plugin Refurbish - Frostcrag.esp  [Version 1.2]
5C  BrumaGuildReconstructed.esp  [Version 1.0.2]
5D  Knights.esp
5E  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.1.5]
**  EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp
++  SM Plugin Refurbish - Knights.esp  [Version 1.06]
5F  M.O.E. - Main Quest Delayer.esp  [Version 3]
60  MABlueMoonCottage.esp
61  FishermansCottage.esp  [Version 3]
62  FishermansCOBLaddonNEW.esp
63  Faregyl.esp  [Version 2.0.11]
64  Feldscar.esp  [Version 1.0.13]
65  Gottshaw Village.esp  [Version 1.0.1]
66  Vergayun.esp  [Version 2.0.2]
67  Sutch Village.esp  [Version 1.0.4]
68  HUD Status Bars.esp  [Version 5.3.2]
69  EVE_ShiveringIslesEasterEggs.esp
++  ExpandedGreetings.esp
6A  hhVariedMages.esp
6B  Safe Traveling NPC.esp
6C  SMYB Love Female Only.esp
6D  tbskGuardsFeatures.esp
6E  upperGothicClutter.esp
6F  RealisticFatigue.esp
70  Basic Primary Needs.esp  [Version 6.3]
71  Basic Physical Activities.esp  [Version 1.3]
72  SigilStoneSelector.esp
73  kuerteeMagickaBasedEnchantmentLimits.esp
74  StolenItemOwnership.esp
75  SM Combat Hide.esp  [Version 1.2]
76  Enhanced Grabbing.esp  [Version 0.5]
77  kuerteeNPCsYield.esp
78  Unequip Broken Armor.esp  [Version 2.8.2]
79  Glowing Respawning Varla & Welkynd Stones 14-28 Days.esp
7A  DS Companion Wardrobe Manager.esp  [Version 0.9]
++  Female Xivilai.esp
7B  Oblivion_Character_Overhaul.esp  [Version 2.0]
7C  Umbra the Unfortunate.esp
7D  SPAWN.esp  [Version 0.3]
++  -No-_persistant_enchantment_glow_fix-1843.esp
++  kuerteeDetectLifeEffect.esp
7E  kuerteeNightEyeShader.esp
++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]
7F  Elz - No Floating Weapon.esp
80  MyAdditionalNPCs.esp
81  MyTweakedNPCs.esp
82  MyTweaks.esp
83  Fluffy Follower Frill.esp
84  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

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One of the biggest downside to installing a huge number of mods and then testing is you have little or no idea where to start troubleshooting. It's like looking for one particular strand of spaghetti on a plateful of spaghetti smothered in sauce ... you pick one, pull it out of the pile and see if it's the right one. When you find it's not the right one you rinse and repeat until you get lucky or give up.

 

To the uninitiated my tried and true method of mod install may seem like "the slow way" but in the end I find the benefits far and away outweigh any downsides.

 

I begin with a vanilla install, start the game and test that all runs as expected. If needed I make any fine tuning adjustments with either Oblivion.ini or the game's menus and finish with a final test to get a feel for game stability and performance.

 

Only then do I install one mod, and follow that with a thorough enough test to determine both whether or not the mod works but also how it affect both stability and performance. If all is as expected I install one more mod (followed by the thorough test phase). When I run into a mod that causes either stability or performance issues I know precisely which mod to start looking at closely to find either issues or tweaks to resolve the situation.

 

Yes it took me a while to get my load order installed to my liking , but that was in part because of how some of the mods in my load order interact with one another (plus they both offered adjustments via their respective INIs, so there were a lot of variables to test). The upside (beyond everything working together) is that I have a very good feel for how each mod in my load order affects stability and performance. Any time I've run into issues while playing I've known where to start looking when troubleshooting.

 

That character and load order is now over six years and 5790 hours of playing and still going strong.

 

00  Oblivion.esm
01  EnhancedWeather.esm  [Version 1.4.4]
02  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.73]
03  Kvatch Rebuilt.esm
04  Race Repository.esm
05  Minotaur Race.esm
06  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.5.1]
++  UOPS Additional Changes.esp
++  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
07  DLCShiveringIsles.esp
08  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.5.5]
++  USIPS Additional Changes.esp
++  VCI Shivering Start CC.esp
09  EnhancedWeather.esp  [Version 1.4.4]
0A  Idle Dialogue.esp  [Version 1.3]
0B  1em_GiveAGift.esp  [Version 1.2]
0C  Torch Hotkey.esp
0D  CoO1.esp
0E  DialogTweaks.esp  [Version 1.2]
0F  Female Lich.esp
10  Personality Idles - Modified version.esp  [Version 1.4]
11  See You Sleep DLL.esp
12  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 5.4.3]
13  Lava Does Fire Damage.esp
14  Hotkey Pro.esp  [Version 1.3]
15  FovZoom.esp
16  DLCHorseArmor.esp
17  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.8]
18  SM Plugin Refurbish - HorseArmor.esp  [Version 1.11]
19  DLCOrrery.esp
1A  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
1B  SM Plugin Refurbish - Orrery.esp  [Version 1.11]
1C  DLCVileLair.esp
1D  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.10]
++  SM Plugin Refurbish - VileLair.esp  [Version 1.21]
1E  See You Sleep DLL - DLCVileLair.esp
1F  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
20  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.6]
21  SM Plugin Refurbish - MehrunesRazor.esp  [Version 1.30]
22  DLCSpellTomes.esp
++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]
**  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer.esp
++  BladeofWoeReplacer9Tongues.esp
23  KnightsOfTheThornArmor.esp
24  RealSwords - Argonian LO-NPC.esp
25  RealSwords - Bosmer LO-NPC.esp
26  RealSwords - Breton LO-NPC.esp
27  RealSwords - Dunmer LO-NPC.esp
28  RealSwords - Khajiit LO-NPC v1.3.esp
29  RealSwords - Nord LO-NPC SI.esp
2A  RealSwords - Orc LO-NPC v1.0.esp
2B  RealSwords - Redguard LO-NPC.esp
2C  Goblin Realswords+Tribal Shields.esp
2D  DLCThievesDen.esp
2E  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.12]
2F  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.12]
30  SM Plugin Refurbish - ThievesDen.esp  [Version 1.30]
31  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.73]
32  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]
++  Cobl Tweaks - SI.esp
33  Alluring Potion Bottles v3.esp
34  Alluring Wine Bottles.esp
35  kuerteeWanderingEncounters.esp
36  AK_corpses_collector.esp
37  AleswellHomeQuest.esp
38  AleswellCOBLaddon.esp
++  Cheydinhal Land Texture Fix.esp  [Version 2.0]
39  Whispered Warning.esp
3A  Better Dark Brotherhood Sanctuary.esp  [Version 3.22]
3B  Better Abandoned House.esp  [Version 2.0]
3C  BDBS - Whispered Warning Patch.esp  [Version 3.22]
3D  BravilBridgeCottage.esp  [Version 2.1]
3E  BravilBridgeCotCOBLaddon.esp
3F  BrotherhoodRenewed.esp  [Version 1.1.2]
40  EMBridgeHouse.esp
41  EMBridgeHouseCOBLaddon.esp
42  EMLeyawiinhouse.esp
43  EMLeyawiinhouseCOBLaddon.esp
44  EM_Cheydinhalhouse1.esp
45  COBL_EMCheydinhalSwanCottage.esp
46  EM_RedRoseManor.esp  [Version 2.0]
47  EMRedRoseAddonCOBL.esp
48  EM_Packdonkeys.esp  [Version 2.1]
49  GwedenBrothel.esp
4A  GwedenExpansion.esp
++  Kvatch Rebuilt Weather Patch.esp
4B  RoxeyCottage.esp  [Version 2.3]
4C  RoxeyCottageCOBLaddon.esp
4D  RumpleMod.esp
4E  RumpleModSI.esp
4F  Temple District Repaired.esp
50  TinyHouse.esp
51  COBLaddonTinyHouse.esp
52  WaterlilyCottage1.esp  [Version 1.1]
53  WaterlilyCottageCOBLaddon.esp
54  Panther River Smuggler's Shack.esp
55  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
56  DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]
57  SM Plugin Refurbish - Battlehorn.esp  [Version 1.30]
58  FalkreathGS_RM.esp
59  DLCFrostcrag.esp
5A  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]
5B  SM Plugin Refurbish - Frostcrag.esp  [Version 1.2]
5C  BrumaGuildReconstructed.esp  [Version 1.0.2]
5D  Knights.esp
5E  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.1.5]
**  EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp
++  SM Plugin Refurbish - Knights.esp  [Version 1.06]
5F  M.O.E. - Main Quest Delayer.esp  [Version 3]
60  MABlueMoonCottage.esp
61  FishermansCottage.esp  [Version 3]
62  FishermansCOBLaddonNEW.esp
63  Faregyl.esp  [Version 2.0.11]
64  Feldscar.esp  [Version 1.0.13]
65  Gottshaw Village.esp  [Version 1.0.1]
66  Vergayun.esp  [Version 2.0.2]
67  Sutch Village.esp  [Version 1.0.4]
68  HUD Status Bars.esp  [Version 5.3.2]
69  EVE_ShiveringIslesEasterEggs.esp
++  ExpandedGreetings.esp
6A  hhVariedMages.esp
6B  Safe Traveling NPC.esp
6C  SMYB Love Female Only.esp
6D  tbskGuardsFeatures.esp
6E  upperGothicClutter.esp
6F  RealisticFatigue.esp
70  Basic Primary Needs.esp  [Version 6.3]
71  Basic Physical Activities.esp  [Version 1.3]
72  SigilStoneSelector.esp
73  kuerteeMagickaBasedEnchantmentLimits.esp
74  StolenItemOwnership.esp
75  SM Combat Hide.esp  [Version 1.2]
76  Enhanced Grabbing.esp  [Version 0.5]
77  kuerteeNPCsYield.esp
78  Unequip Broken Armor.esp  [Version 2.8.2]
79  Glowing Respawning Varla & Welkynd Stones 14-28 Days.esp
7A  DS Companion Wardrobe Manager.esp  [Version 0.9]
++  Female Xivilai.esp
7B  Oblivion_Character_Overhaul.esp  [Version 2.0]
7C  Umbra the Unfortunate.esp
7D  SPAWN.esp  [Version 0.3]
++  -No-_persistant_enchantment_glow_fix-1843.esp
++  kuerteeDetectLifeEffect.esp
7E  kuerteeNightEyeShader.esp
++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]
7F  Elz - No Floating Weapon.esp
80  MyAdditionalNPCs.esp
81  MyTweakedNPCs.esp
82  MyTweaks.esp
83  Fluffy Follower Frill.esp
84  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

 

Okay, so I spent a long time today having unloaded all the mods then going through 1 by 1 to see what worked and what was forcing a ctd. And it seemed that some mods, and even some OBSE plugins, caused the game to ctd first time I opened the game, then worked fine after that. Some of them however, still cause the game to ctd whenever I add them. They are: Unique Landscapes; Better Cities; and just Additional Enemies from MMM. Any idea as to what's causing these specifically to crash?

 

Also, When I do load into the game the text font looks like this, which I'm pretty sure it isn't meant to.

 

https://prnt.sc/12yzcrg

 

Current Load order now

0 0 Oblivion.esm

1 1 Av Latta Magicka.esm
2 2 CustomSpellIcons - OBME.esm
3 3 Fundament.esm
4 4 Oblivifall Master File.esm
5 5 MigMaster.esm
6 6 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm
7 7 Mart's Monster Mod.esm
8 8 Better Cities Resources.esm
9 9 Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esm
10 a Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp
11 b UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp
12 c Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
13 d DLCShiveringIsles.esp
14 e Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp
15 f Better Cities .esp
16 10 DLCHorseArmor.esp
17 11 DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp
18 12 DLCOrrery.esp
19 13 DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp
20 14 DLCVileLair.esp
21 15 DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp
22 16 DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
23 17 DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp
24 18 DLCSpellTomes.esp
25 19 DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp
26 1a DLCThievesDen.esp
27 1b DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp
28 1c DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp
29 1d DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
30 1e DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp
31 1f DLCFrostcrag.esp
32 20 DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp
33 21 Knights.esp
34 22 Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp
OBME_CreateMgef_example.esp
OBME_SEFF_example.esp
OBME_MDAV_example.esp
OBME_EIOverrides_example.esp
OBME_Reclaim_example.esp
35 23 RshAlchemy.esp
36 24 RshAlchemy - AVU.esp
37 25 Auto Update Leveled Items And Spells.esp
38 26 Initial Glow Redux.esp
39 27 BadderFrostFX.esp
40 28 DarNifiedUI Config Addon.esp
41 29 Extended UI.esp
FasterArrows225.esp
42 2a FasterArrows175.esp
FasterArrows150.esp
FasterArrows200.esp
FasterArrows125.esp
FasterArrows250.esp
43 2b MigFEA.esp
44 2c FEA Enhanced.esp
45 2d Bundlement.esp
46 2e ImmersiveHealthIndication.esp
47 2f Initial Glow Redux - Creatures.esp
48 30 P1DkeyChain.esp
49 31 LINK.esp
50 32 Magic Spell Perks Balanced.esp
Magic Spell Perks.esp
Magic Skill Perks Nerfed.esp
Magic Skill Perks GodLevel.esp
51 33 MigMiscellanea.esp
52 34 MOO Loading Screens - New Pics.esp
53 35 Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp
54 36 Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp
55 37 NineDivinesFactionIcons.esp
56 38 MigPickpocket.esp
57 39 MigLockpicking.esp
58 3a DLCThievesDen - BarterForUpgrd.esp
59 3b Ultimate Leveling.esp
60 3c MigWolfRestore.esp
61 3d All Natural - Real Lights.esp
62 3e Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp
OBME_DSPL_example.esp
63 3f OOOExtended.esp
64 40 OOOShiveringIsles.esp
65 41 Av Latta Magicka - Rebalance Complete.esp
66 42 LightsOut.esp
67 43 RshAlchemyRecipes.esp
68 44 Trails Of Cyrodiil Complete.esp
69 45 Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esp
70 46 Oblivifall - Losing My Religion.esp
71 47 Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp
72 48 MaleBodyReplacerV5.esp
73 49 Oblivion_Character_Overhaul.esp
74 4a OCO_DLCOrrery_Patch.esp
75 4b OCO_DLCHorseArmor_Patch.esp
76 4c OCO_DLCMehrunesRazor_Patch.esp
77 4d Kvatch Rebuilt.esp
78 4e Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp
79 4f Oblivion Content Restoration Project.esp
OBME_SMAC_example.esp
80 50 Alluring Potion Bottles v3.esp
81 51 Oblivifall - Ambiant Dungeon SFX.esp
82 52 Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp
83 53 Weapon Expansion Pack for Oblivion Nthusiasts.esp
84 54 OCO_UOP_USIP_Patch.esp
85 55 OCO_DLCThievesDen_Patch.esp
86 56 OCO_KvatchRebuilt_Patch.esp
87 57 RoadLights.esp
88 58 Grass Overhaul.esp
89 59 MannimarcoRevisited.esp
90 5a DialogTweaks.esp
91 5b Oblivifall - Something's Not Right.esp
RAEVWD Cities.esp
92 5c Project Ambience.esp
93 5d MannimarcoComplete.esp
94 5e Av Latta Magicka.esp
95 5f BadderShockFX.esp
96 60 BadderNuclearFireFX.esp
97 61 OOOExtendedArcheryPatch.esp
98 62 Immersive Weapons.esp
99 63 BadderFireFX.esp
100 64 Balanced Creatures.esp
101 65 BetterLegendaryItems.esp
102 66 CM_Better Wine.esp
103 67 Consistent Beggar Voices.esp
104 68 Dungeon Actors Have Torches 1.6 DT.esp
Dungeon Actors Have Torches 1.6 CT.esp
105 69 Realistic Misc Item Value.esp
106 6a Glowing Wonders.esp
107 6b More Skooma Dealers.esp
108 6c MannimarcoWardrobeChest.esp
109 6d PersuasionOverhaul.esp
PersuasionOverhaul_LITE.esp
110 6e PersuasionOverhaul_OOO.esp
111 6f PersuasionOverhaul_MMM.esp
112 70 SB_WeaponDropFix.esp
113 71 Skooma in the Shivering Isles.esp
114 72 Soulgem Magic.esp
RAEVWD Imperial City.esp
115 73 Weapon Improvement Project.esp
Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp
116 74 Natural_Weather_HDR_by_Max_Tae_CO_RD.esp
117 75 Kvatch Rebuilt - OOO Adaptation.esp
118 76 Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp
119 77 Mart's Monster Mod - DLCHorseArmor+Slofs .esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp
120 78 Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp
121 79 Mart's Monster Mod for OOO - Knights .esp
122 7a OCO_KnightsOTN_Patch.esp
123 7b Mart's Monster Mod - Divserse Wisp and VASE Addon.esp
124 7c Mart's Monster Mod - No Bone Loot.esp
125 7d Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp
126 7e Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp
127 7f Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp
128 80 Natural_Weather_HDR_2.1.3_coloroverride.esp.esp
Natural_Weather_HDR_by_Max_Tael.esp
Natural_Weather_by_Max_Tael.esp
129 81 Mart's Monster Mod - More Passive Wildlife.esp
130 82 Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Creatures Expansion.esp
131 83 Mart's Monster Mod - RadiantAITweaks.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - No Balrogs.esp
132 84 Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp
133 85 Mart's Monster Mod - Less Reavers.esp
134 86 Mart's Monster Mod - Friendlier Factions OOO.esp
135 87 Mart's Monster Mod - Friendlier Factions MMM+Fran.esp
136 88 Mart's Monster Mod - Undead Rise Fix.esp
137 89 Mart's Monster Mod - Zombies for Body Meshes.esp
138 8a Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Quest Locations.esp
139 8b Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot OOO.esp
140 8c Enhanced Water v2.0 HD.esp
Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp
141 8d Oblivifall - Let's Talk!.esp
142 8e Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp
Unique Landscapes.esp
xuldarkforest.esp
xulStendarrValley.esp
xulTheHeath.esp
xulEntiusGorge.esp
xulFallenleafEverglade.esp
xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp
xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp
xulBravilBarrowfields.esp
xulLushWoodlands.esp
xulAncientYews.esp
xulAncientRedwoods.esp
xulCloudtopMountains.esp
xulArriusCreek.esp
xulPatch_AY_AC.esp
xulRollingHills_EV.esp
xulPantherRiver.esp
xulRiverEthe.esp
xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp
xulImperialIsle.esp
Grass Overhaul_xUL_Imperial_Isle_patch.esp
xulBlackwoodForest.esp
xulCheydinhalFalls.esp
ULE KvatchRebuilt-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp
xulAspenWood.esp
xulSnowdale.esp
xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp
ULS OscurosOblivionOverhaul-UniqueLandscapes merged patch.esp
ULE MannimarcoResurrection-CliffsOfAnvil patch.esp
ULE MMMDungeons-CliffsOfAnvil patch.esp
xulSilverfishRiverValley.esp
xulTheEasternPeaks.esp
ULS MannimarcoResurrection-EasternPeaks patch.esp
xulJerallGlacier.esp
xulSkingradOutskirts.esp
Better Cities Full.esp
xulChorrolHinterland-BC6.esp
Better Cities - Leyawiin Flooded.esp
Better Cities Chorrol - Oblivifall Losing My Religion.esp
Better Cities Chorrol - Knights of the Nine.esp
143 8f Oblivifall - Losing My Religion BC Bravil.esp
144 90 Oblivifall - Losing My Religion BC Bruma.esp
Better Cities Skingrad - Oblivifall Losing My Religion.esp
ULS BetterCitiesSkingrad-SkingradOutskirts patch.esp
ULS BetterCitiesBravil-BravilBarrowfields patch.esp
ULS BetterCitiesCheydinhal-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp
ULS BetterCitiesBruma-Snowdale patch.esp
ULE BetterCitiesBravil-PantherRiver patch.esp
Better Cities - IC Imperial Isle.esp
Better Imperial City.esp
SafeCloningFunction - Filter.esp
145 91 Maskar's Oblivion Overhaul.esp

Edited by jacob6092
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Striker879 Grand Master

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Better Cities (especially BC plus Unique Landscapes) have a reputation of not being an easy install, as well as taking a heavy toll on stability and performance. I haven't ever used either myself but I did help somebody through a BC install a while back. Many details to get exactly right ... I didn't find anything about the process that convinced me to add it to my future load orders (but I have different priorities that most people).

 

I'm a vanilla UI type myself but that screenshot has an improperly installed or uninstalled UI mod vibe about it to my eye. Note that uninstalling a UI mod does not undo the changes it made/required you to make to Oblivion.ini (which will then carry over from one install to the next unless you delete your old Oblivion.ini or move it to backup).

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I got that problem when I combined MMM and Better Cities

 

Have you peeked at MOO? I combine MOO and WAC instead of MMM these days and skip Better Cities for sure. MOO makes changes to the world mostly with scripts, not by hand, which makes it compatible with everything that I know of.

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