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[xordevoreaux]

In response to post #96328343.

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M1stLynx wrote: So basically you started a project without thinking it through and when reality set in and the mod authors were made aware of it a large number told you they wanted no part of it and instead of backing down from the horrible idea you continued on knowing full well a large number of mod authors were going to leave the site as a result?

Which means multi-tiered dependencies we're able to cobble together now, such as like for Skyrim SE, would be spread across Nexus and MAYBE the most recently updated missing components hosted elsewhere if at all, and, if with the case of Skyrim SE, if there's an update to the SKSE and suddenly whatever mods archived on Nexus don't address the update, still of no use if those modders are no longer contributing to Nexus because they detest collections.

Sounds a bit counter to the goal.

Edited by xordevoreaux, 01 July 2021 - 10:25 AM.

[Neonsquare]

In response to post #96328353.

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OlivierDoorenbos wrote: "The change was announced to mod authors recently". I'm fairly sure I never got this announcement as a mod author. Just saying there may be have been a bug with the notification system (if it was intended for this to come through the notification system).

They didn't announce anything. The website was stealth updated a week ago and some messages were leaked from discord between Nexus Mods devs and the API community. Only after that did Nexus Mods make a containment thread on the mod authors section of the forums.

[TheTokenGeek]

I'm super pumped for the arrival of collections. Been something I've wanted on Nexus Mods since my time there.

This should really help people create incredible game experiences nice and easily.

[Greb651]

In response to post #96328048. #96328318 is also a reply to the same post.

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maxiteo wrote: Out of curiosity: how do collections handle endorsements?

Asking because I noticed a large number of mod-makers are very proud of their endorsement counts, even putting thank you notes on the description page and stickied posts for reaching XXX endorsements within a week etc. and if this collection system deprives them of a potential endorsement each time a collection is downloaded, I don't see them being very cooperative in allowing their mods to be included.

lonewanderer345 wrote: Should be same as normal...even if you use an off-site mod-list like Wabbajack, you still have all the mods Downloaded in your profile and can go endorse them, so I'd say it's safe to assume Nexus will have this covered.

It’s a lot easier to think about endorsing a mod when you have actually opened the mod page. People will not endorse mods from Collections unless it’s done automatically. They will thank and endorse the collection curator even if the work he’s done represent a fraction of the work that was needed to create the mods. 

[Greb651]

In response to post #96328353. #96328408 is also a reply to the same post.

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OlivierDoorenbos wrote: "The change was announced to mod authors recently". I'm fairly sure I never got this announcement as a mod author. Just saying there may be have been a bug with the notification system (if it was intended for this to come through the notification system).

Neonsquare wrote: They didn't announce anything. The website was stealth updated a week ago and some messages were leaked from discord between Nexus Mods devs and the API community. Only after that did Nexus Mods make a containment thread on the mod authors section of the forums.

It was a post in the mod author forums, not a proper announcement with notifications. 

[Stillsnow1234]

Ah! I see, this is what all the Modders were so concerned about. I couldn't understand what was happening in the beginning at all and wasn't all that concerned as I am just a  casual here on nexus.
But from my chats with some of the other guys, I see all this is going to affect people of different groups in a different way (according to them)

Mod Users: No change to them really. the old mod users will stick to the way of installing the mods they are used to. The Newer ones might go for the new system. So no trouble in this group obviously.

Mod Authors: Loose their right on the handling of their Creative Content. While most of the Mod authors don't delete their files anyway, just this signalling that "You can't really do it anymore even if you wanted" is going to be a friction point that you Admins might need to address. (Not like Authors can do much about this decision honestly).

All of this is just an observation. So kindly don't nuke my account lol.

Edited by Stillsnow1234, 01 July 2021 - 10:20 AM.

[RichWebster]

I'm happy about this. Modding should be as accessible as possible.

[xordevoreaux]

In response to post #96328353. #96328408, #96328453 are all replies on the same post.

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OlivierDoorenbos wrote: "The change was announced to mod authors recently". I'm fairly sure I never got this announcement as a mod author. Just saying there may be have been a bug with the notification system (if it was intended for this to come through the notification system).

Neonsquare wrote: They didn't announce anything. The website was stealth updated a week ago and some messages were leaked from discord between Nexus Mods devs and the API community. Only after that did Nexus Mods make a containment thread on the mod authors section of the forums.

Greb651 wrote: It was a post in the mod author forums, not a proper announcement with notifications. 

Yeah this is my first time hearing it as well.

[Rhaevyn]

As a mod user and premium member here for about four years, and having built familiarity with many authors I can definitely understand both sides.  When you create something, it's like it's your child.  No one gets to tell you what you do with your child.  On the other hand, staff is looking to the future.  Part of me is excited for this because even after four years, I still can't figure out all the right ways to make my giant mod list play nice, not completely.  I'm still learning.

I get that MAs want people to come to their page and read, to learn what they're doing.  But it is also nice to have these collections so we know that the whole will work as intended.  Wow, it's like a tennis match in my head.  Points for this side, points for that side.  As a parent, I feel for the mod authors who are concerned.  As a mod user, I want to throw money at you to make this happen faster.

Conundrum.  My hope is that all my favorite mods and their authors will stay.  Maybe you could implement something into the system that nudges (OK, kicks users in the arse) to read the mod pages of the collection.  Or make sure that they have to go to the specific mod page to Endorse it and especially to leave a comment of thanks.  I believe this is what mod authors are more afraid of than anything.  Empty, sad, lonely posts on their page.  The joy of modding on both sides is the interaction we have with each other.  That is going to be the biggest challenge of your system.  If you can figure a way to prevent ghost towns on the MAs pages, you may win them back.

GL guys.

[Pixelhate]

In response to post #96328013.

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R3ACT3M wrote: Doesn't this directly relate to the inability to delete mods off the nexus now? 

Yes