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[LeStefEnV11]

démerdez vous si vous ne baragouinez pas beaucoup ou très bien l'anglais ^^

Je n'ai absolument rien compris au mail reçu qui m'aiguille ici, ça parle de quoi?...

Edited by LeStefEnV11, 03 July 2021 - 08:43 AM.

[ArkianSoji]

In response to post #96332733. #96418288, #96418363, #96418408, #96418813, #96418843 are all replies on the same post.

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ashtonlp101 wrote: Have to say I'm pretty disappointed that there was no room for negotiation in this process - instead, we're given "here's the door if you wanna go." So I guess I'm kinda forced to go along with the Nexus decision to take control of my files and opt into modpacks (which I'm not necessarily against modpacks in general, just the way they're being implemented). I really can't voice how disrespected I and many other authors feel towards the lack of empathy in this situation, I've been here for many years, and to think we can't be granted some common courtesy of negotiation between the site admins and content creators make this feel like an unfair relationship. 

ArkianSoji wrote:

Have to say I'm pretty disappointed that there was no room for negotiation in this process - instead, we're given "here's the door if you wanna go." ?

Sadly, you forget the key point. they have for 2 YEARS been Planning and making this system. they have had MANY mod authors help them by testing it and giving their feedback. And quite frankly, I can feel a sense of exasperation from their announcement. They allude to a faction of Mod authors that seem to be adamantly stuck on their point of view, focusing on key words like "Mod packs" "Money" "no permanent deletion" and "nexus is trying to cOmMit PiRaCy". 

and if they would only calm down, and actually READ THE ENTIRE POST then they would understand that the collections that NExus is proposing and trying to implement WILL NOT BE MOD PACKS. IT will be an AUTOMATED version of the Modding guides already out there, like STEP and  Pheonix Flavour. The reason for "NO permanent Deletions" is so Mod authors can't just delete the old file on purpose just so they can break a Collection. Now, I will admit that this does also mean that if mod creators want to see a nice clean page, they are no longer able to permanently delete mod files. However, why can't this be worked out? why can't the Mod authors use the energy they spend getting upset to FIND A WAY TO SOLVE THIS DILEMNA. 

Personally, I would like to see two categories for archived mods. one for old but working versions, and the other for old but broken versions. Have the one for broken files be submitted for deletion approval where they check If Permanently deleting an upload will break anything. 

TreyM wrote:

And quite frankly, I can feel a sense of exasperation from their announcement. They allude to a faction of Mod authors that seem to be adamantly stuck on their point of view, focusing on key words like "Mod packs" "Money" "no permanent deletion" and "nexus is trying to cOmMit PiRaCy". 

Wait... are you trying to make Nexusmods the "victim" in all of this?

1ae0bfb8 wrote: i have read it fully, several times, and your conclusions are 100% wrong and about as misleading and misinformed as the essay up top.
but hey, you do you, right?

ArkianSoji wrote: This is simply my observation of people's posts on this thread. Many a post is angrily talking about mod author rights and how nexus is trying to take them away subtly. But in each one, I find that they have not read the post at all and get set off because of a phrase or specific idea. and from Nexus's post, they have evidently tried talking to the mod creators. they have tried to come to compromises and on many an issue, they have. but for the collections to work they need to prevent permanent deletion. buried in the 50+ pages of comments there are many a great ideas. Like making the collection download only the most 'stable' version for example. 

ArkianSoji wrote:

?i have read it fully, several times, and your conclusions are 100% wrong and about as misleading and misinformed as the essay up top.
but hey, you do you, right?f

Really? very well. i shall pull some quotes from the post. 

?First of all, several mod authors explained they’re worried about regular users being able to see the “file archive” with all the archived files, as it is viewable via a button at the bottom of the files tab. Their worry was that users might view those files and then ask for them to be made available, or otherwise request support for files the author has essentially discarded. 

Now. i have archived files, and i checked that little button. and let me tell you. in big bold words, they tell you this:

?The files in this section are for reference only and are no longer supported by the mod author. Please ensure you are using the latest version before asking for support with this mod.

and here they state:

?
How it would work is, using Vortex, someone could build a mod list/mod setup locally on their machine, then export a meta file with all the information about the mods/files/conflict resolution etc. and upload that file to the site. We refer to this list on the site and in Vortex as a "collection". Another user can now add this meta file/this collection from the site to Vortex and Vortex will then fetch all the download links for the mods, download them, and install them in the same way the original user (the “curator” of that mod list) has them installed on their PC - complete with conflict resolution data and all.
 
The outcome is the replication of a whole mod setup without much hassle and without entire packs of mods zipped up into an archive being redistributed. This way, we can guarantee that the mod authors of these mods still get the downloads and they also still get the donation points from those downloads. 
 
Great care is also being taken that the mods in a collection are previewed while they're downloaded. Users are still shown the images and summaries of the mods they're downloading and they can also view the original mod page if they so choose.

While we allow for some files to be bundled with a collection (this is intended for tool-generated output files like e.g. LOD generated by DynDOLOD for Skyrim), a collection does not “contain” any mods, instead it acts more like a reference list for Vortex to know which file from a mod page it needs to download, what installer options to choose, how to resolve mod conflicts, and how to arrange your load order.

Take note that they say NO ARCHIVES and that it is a Mod list/ Mod setup. a META FILE. using this file the user ( if not premium) will be shown a preview of the mod's description page. i take this to mean one that can be scrolled through. they will then go through the meta file and if they follow the INSTRUCTIONS they will eventually have installed the collection just like how the one who made it installed them. 

and then here they state:

The free user experience is therefore going to be a bit like downloading mods in a traditional mod list, with the added convenience of being directed to the exact file, as well as still getting all the automatic conflict resolution benefits through Vortex. The download and installation process can be paused/resumed at pretty much any time, so while less convenient than the “Premium journey”, free users will end up with the same exact result as Premium users - the same collection of mods with the same conflict resolution data as the collection curator intended.

so. Free users, and I presume there to be a lot of them, are going to basically have a TOOL that DIRECTS them THROUGH the modding process. 

Need I go on?

[ModsCanFixSomeParts]

In response to post #96418258. #96418398, #96418448, #96418488, #96418493, #96418543, #96418558, #96418563, #96418618, #96418633, #96418693, #96418818, #96418828, #96418863, #96418923, #96418963, #96419143, #96419188 are all replies on the same post.

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ModsCanFixSomeParts wrote: The file deletion is a great change. As a user I'm tired of being screwed by narcissistic modders who bring their drama into modding and try to hold their mods hostage for their ego.
The collections I'm not so sure on because it will increase the amount of low-information users and dilute the quality of the community. Gatekeeping is a form of quality control.

TreyM wrote: I like the part where your access to a file that no one owes you suddenly disappearing is "screwing YOU over" personally while you unironically call mod authors "narcissistic" while you fail to see your own narcissism in this very post. Bravo. Most impressive.

1ae0bfb8 wrote: you posted that without any trace of irony, didn't you?
what.
a.
clown.

ModsCanFixSomeParts wrote: If you didn't want people to access your mods then you shouldn't have made them public from the start. Sounds like you were doing it to prop up your own ego than to benefit the community. Nexus should go one step further and enforce that all mods uploaded are GPL2 licensed.

JenniferHays wrote: It truly is most impressive, its almost as if they have no feeling outside of there own self entitlement. 

EdDante34 wrote: The sense of entitlement is strong in this one. 

1ae0bfb8 wrote: again, you really don't have any clue about irony, do you? i mean, how do you function?

TreyM wrote:

If you didn't want people to access your mods then you shouldn't have made them public from the start. Sounds like you were doing it to prop up your own ego than to benefit the community. Nexus should go one step further and enforce that all mods uploaded are GPL2 licensed.

LOL

Zynxx wrote: Imagine being so entitled to the point that you do nothing but sit on your ass all day downloading mods that people spend time from their life creating, then calling out those modders who remove their mods for WHATEVER reason.

Holy s***

ModsCanFixSomeParts wrote: It's also telling that the majority of people complaining have made no mods themselves or only made mods nobody has ever heard of or just textures/NPCs that flood the new uploads daily. I'd really be interested in what contributors like Enai have to say on the matter.

1ae0bfb8 wrote: just so everyone is aware, this guy is who nexus are catering to.
lowest.
common.
denominator.
gg nexusmods you get the community you deserve.

TreyM wrote:

It's also telling that the majority of people complaining have made no mods themselves or only made mods nobody has ever heard of or just textures/NPCs that flood the new uploads daily.

I'm sorry, you were saying?

CrashRakashe wrote:

It's also telling that the majority of people complaining have made no mods themselves...

It's funny that the majority people who make statements like yours have made absolutely nothing. Instead you'd rather just feel entitled other peoples work. Please stop spitting the dummy out of the pram because no-one wants to be your little mod slave.

Xazomn wrote: it doesn't matter if, why or how or what ever the reason is for a mod author to remove or hiding files is not up to the choice of the mod users. Do you all understand that as mod users try to own the mods the same way as Nexus try to do this way. It is not a professional dlc you buy, Most mods are created by people that are at home, not working and like me to fill up my time and often much more. But you all try to own those people if they are obligated to do what you all wishes. This kind of attitude towards mod authors  doesn't make me 'want' to create, it doesn't help creativity, It's a big stomp into the stomach to read that we as mod authors has nothing to say, best to keep the mouth shut because you want, need and push people how they should handle their own work

ModsCanFixSomeParts wrote: Nobody is being forced to make mods. If you don't like the fact that things put on the internet tend to stay there forever, then you are free to mod just for yourself. If the reason you mod is out of self centered reasons like fame instead of benefiting the community like FOSS, maybe you aren't approaching it with the right mindset.

edit: The focus should be on the mods, not the modders. Separate the art from the artist.

TreyM wrote:

Nobody is being forced to make mods. If you don't like the fact that things put on the internet tend to stay there forever, then you are free to mod just for yourself. If the reason you mod is out of self centered reasons like fame instead of benefiting the community like FOSS, maybe you aren't approaching it with the right mindset.

LOL thanks, Dr. Phil, Expert Mod Curator - 2021, Colorized.

Duskill wrote: ModsCanFixSomeParts sunnyjim, you really misreading it. Nobody wants to restrict people from their mods. But everyone would love to find a way to restrict your type from ever accessing theirs Ever. You're not 'people' or a 'user', you're a parasite. You one of those bright folks who come on a 'eat till you s***' day to a restaurant, keeps stuffing yourself till you literally s*** yourself on the floor and then threaten to sue them for poisoning you.
The worst is how sizeable you are. Unfortunately chuckies like you ain't a minority. Not the main majority either, but a Very sizeable part, and also one of the most vocal parts. You people are everywhere where there's something good you can get for free, not just mods, and you are the reason for 99 percent of the cases where the good and free things disappear/ or become a paid thing. 

Now I would kindly asky you to add just one screenshot of whatever to your profile, so that you'd be considered an 'author' by Nexus standards and everyone who respects themselves can block you from their place for forever (By the way, again, only 'authors' are instablockable, even if you ain't ever communicated with them. A dude with a thousand hateful comments and no contents gets  a 'you can't block him, he's not an author' unless he's stinking on your personal page). That's a call to everryone of your type. Be so kind and make yourself easily deletable, either by making that screen or commenting on our places how much you hate us and how we should be thankful you even grace us with your presence, that'd be Much appreciated <3

1ae0bfb8 wrote: you are an absolute disgrace.

You sound upset.

[Dark0ne]

These comments have gone round in circles for the past few days now. Locking it down.

[BigBizkit]

Thank you to all of you who have shared their perspective in a civil and reasonable manner, whether you agree with our reasoning, accept it, or completely disagree.
 
Unfortunately, the discussion seems to have devolved, and while we do not want to censor the discourse, we cannot allow for wild accusations, speculations, or threats to be made in the comment section. Understanding that this announcement may be upsetting to some of you, we were quite lenient with our handling of the comment section, but we're unable to sit by idly when our rules are being violated, which is why effective from now, we're going to hand out cooling-off bans/warnings.
 
That being said, I'd like to address some points that have been raised:

• Collections are reference lists for our mod manager Vortex to process and obtain/serve the download links to mods in a more convenient manner. Imagine a document with various links to magic related mods for a curated "Best spellcasting mods for Skyrim" list, or similar. Collections are essentially an evolved form of such a mod list, a list that Vortex can read and interpret for you, fetching the download links and starting the download process for you.
• Collections being sold: Please note that our Donation Guidelines forbid mods from being sold/monetised on our platform directly or indirectly and the same will be enforced in regards to collections. Moreover, our collections system won't even allow for collections to be shared any other way than through the website, making direct selling of collections impossible. Lastly, let me reiterate from the news post that collections are not going to be integrated with the Donation Points system.
• Archived files can still be downloaded by users via collections, by free users and Premium users alike. Outside of that, both the mod id and file id is required, which is non-trivial for the average user to obtain.
• Mod authors who have since requested their files to be deleted via the process described in the news post will have received a notification about some of their files being "archived". This is because the first step of the deletion process is the archiving of files (which spawns the notification), however, when a mod page is completely deleted by staff the files become inaccessible for good. You can verify this through the API.
• Contrary to what some people have claimed, we are listening to feedback - we have been and always will be. Much of the feedback we have been and are receiving is actively informing our design process for new features/improvements on the site. To this day we're continuing to listen as we're forming a feedback/tester group for an early closed testing release of the collections system. 

The change towards file archiving, as laid out in the news post, is, as we believe, crucial to making the collections feature the best it can be. And that, we're convinced, is going to be pivotal in reaching our goals of making modding easier for everyone.
 
We do intend to much improve the management of mods/files which will eventually look more like a package management system and provide tools to yank/replace files that are bad for the ecosystem. The reasoning behind the change is not to prevent broken files from being deleted, but to provide a strong foundation for future development.
 
As file archiving is a crucial step on this road, we cannot and will not move away from it, but understanding that not all of you will be on board with this, we're granting the one month grace period to have all your files removed.