Urtel Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 I remember there was a discussion of moral side of soul trapping, but this thread is not about that.So, there are two types of mortal souls: black and white. White souls are souls of creatures. Black souls are souls of mers, beast folks and humans. I'm shure everyone knows that. So, you need black soul gems to capture a soul of humans and mers.Now, there also was a discussion about how you can capture Falmer souls in white soul gems. Back then everyone agreed, that falmers did degrade so much, that can not be considered mers anymore.Now, how about draugrs? They are undead, but they are brought to life not by necromancy. Same with the ghosts. They are mortal souls, bound in the plane of Nirn.So we should be able to capture their souls only in the black soulgems.What you guys think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacksupernova Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Ghosts are captured by black soul gem, they are just bandit with visual effect. Draugr, I would say with the same reason as Falmer, thousands of year have degraded them so much that they are not considered man anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urtel Posted September 23, 2013 Author Share Posted September 23, 2013 Degradation can be applied only on living species. Thats a genetic change. And draugrs are not living, you know, they cant change through ages. They are just corpses. But still, corpses with black souls. If they are not, then it means, that in the ritual other souls where used. Which makes no sense...at least to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacksupernova Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 No, I didn't mean degradation as devolution, I meant degradation as impairing. The draugr's body and mind was impaired, degraded or withered to a point that it no longer bear any similarity with man anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urtel Posted September 23, 2013 Author Share Posted September 23, 2013 (edited) Well, from this point it kind of makes sense. But i really doubt this. Does this mean, that mentally weak or mad people also have white souls? I dont think so... Edited September 23, 2013 by Urtel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacksupernova Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 You forgot about that "thousands of year". Beside, Draugrs are corpse while mad person is living Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urtel Posted September 24, 2013 Author Share Posted September 24, 2013 (edited) Again, wrong way. They return back to life, when disturbed. To return a dead body to life, you need a soul. (Actually that is not true for reanimation spell, but is true for necromancy rituals, and yet necromancers use black soul gems). So you need a soul, or a spell. If a spell is used, then we can not absorb any kind of soul, because there is no one. If it is more relative to necromancy, then it makes sense, but only if white souls were used. And its really wierd. When they return back to life, they remember how to fight, how to shout, and use mixed tactics and magic, wich are human tactics, and i never saw a draugr moving like a rabbit. Also, i would say that you need a rather big soul, to create such a powerful being. Edited September 24, 2013 by Urtel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatcatcherOfKvatch Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Well I'm pretty sure you meet spirits in Sovngarde who also had draugrs running around on Nirn. (Olaf One-Eye comes to mind.) I would guess that if you ST'd a ghost / angel in Sovngade you'd get a black soul, but if you ST'd their animated draugr husk back on Nirn you'd get a white soul. One sentient = one black soul. If the soul's in the ghost it isn't in the draugr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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