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[IKobi]

Back when Nexus forced everyone to have Nexus accounts to download MODs, one of the arguments was to help people get more involved with the community and provide feedback on MODs.
 
However that argument falls on thin water, when Nexus allows MODs to redirect the Nexus Community to other communities in order to get support and provide feedback.
 
Most recent example I have is this, Cyber Engine Tweaks at Cyberpunk 2077 Nexus - Mods and community (nexusmods.com)
 
Straight from the MOD page:
 

The discussion section and the comment section here are not for posting bugs or troubleshooting. (so the discussion forum was removed, as was the bug report section because we want the bug reports on the github page or on discord).

 
I believe Nexus should not allow MODs that force the community to register and share (third-party) account data in order to get support, it pretty much forces the Nexus community to join other communities to get support on content that is on Nexus.
 
Some MODs take it a step forward and we have no option whasoever to even comment on their pages, BethINI at Fallout 4 Nexus - Mods and community (nexusmods.com)
 
I question again what is point of enforcing Nexus accounts, when we can't even provide feedback nor file bug reports on the Nexus itself. Not to mention this splits the Nexus community between those that are ok sharing all their account data and joining multiple communities to get support on multiple MODs, and those that would rather have everything centralized on Nexus.

Edited by IKobi, 23 June 2022 - 05:36 PM.

[1ae0bfb8]

i can comment on the UFO4P modpage. if you can't, were you perhaps prevented from posting there for some reason?

[showler]

The primary point of having a Nexus account is so that you can be moderated as necessary.

 

Having access to all the other features is a benefit for you.

 

Forcing mod authors to maintain support here when they already have other solutions in place makes no sense.  They aren't even required to have any support at all.

 

If you don't want to use other support sites, then simply don't download the mod.  You aren't being forced to do anything.

[IKobi]

The primary point of having a Nexus account is so that you can be moderated as necessary.

 

Having access to all the other features is a benefit for you.

 

Forcing mod authors to maintain support here when they already have other solutions in place makes no sense.  They aren't even required to have any support at all.

 

If you don't want to use other support sites, then simply don't download the mod.  You aren't being forced to do anything.

 

You way off track, there's nothing to moderate if you don't have an account, you just download MODs. Not to mention the current account requirement system can be easily bypassed anyway.

 

Plus no one said the mod authors are forced to support their MODs, but they should support their MODs on Nexus if they are supporting it somewhere else (there have been multiple changes on Nexus to reinforce this, which are not being applied on this particular issue yet).

 

They just using Nexus to reach a wider audience and free advertising while not providing support to Nexus users, keeping it all under their own community outside Nexus, this is wrong!

 

If we must join other communities to get support, it entirely defeats the purpose of using Nexus anyway, since in most cases the files are available outside Nexus as well.

 

There's also the fact the bug report section of Nexus hasn't been touched with the site upgrade, is in need of an overhaul.

Edited by IKobi, 23 June 2022 - 07:30 PM.

[showler]

 

They just using Nexus to reach a wider audience and free advertising while not providing support to Nexus users, keeping it all under their own community outside Nexus, this is wrong!

 

Why?  Nexus runs by mutual benefit of the Nexus owners, the mod creators and the users.

 

If having the file on here benefits the Nexus owners (more content to drive page views/memberships), the mod creator (wider audience and free advertising) and the user (they found and downloaded the mod here) then how is it a problem?

 

Basically, you want to force the mod author to do something they don't want to do instead of you just not downloading the mod if you don't like the support.

[IKobi]

 

 

They just using Nexus to reach a wider audience and free advertising while not providing support to Nexus users, keeping it all under their own community outside Nexus, this is wrong!

 

Why?  Nexus runs by mutual benefit of the Nexus owners, the mod creators and the users.

 

If having the file on here benefits the Nexus owners (more content to drive page views/memberships), the mod creator (wider audience and free advertising) and the user (they found and downloaded the mod here) then how is it a problem?

 

Basically, you want to force the mod author to do something they don't want to do instead of you just not downloading the mod if you don't like the support.

 

I fail to see what downloading MODs has to do with Support, not to mention this does not affect me in the long run, I can fix and make my own MODs (both of which I no longer share on Nexus for my own reasons).

 

Nothing changes the fact is wrong to not give Nexus users support, making it an exclusive feature on their own community (so is not something they don't wanna do). If the authors don't wanna waste their time and energy supporting a MOD is our choice, neither is that what is being discussed here.

 

I personally would rather not go back to older projects that just work, cause a newer version of the modding tools is causing bugs (Frosty is heavily guilty of this).

Edited by IKobi, 23 June 2022 - 09:09 PM.

[1ae0bfb8]

how odd you didn't respond when i pointed out that under normal circumstances (i.e don't be a dick), its possible to post on UFO4P.

again, why would you cite that forum specifically? if you can't post there, what did you do to lose that priviledge? oh, i you see, you cleverly edited your post, removing all mention of UFO4P - wow, i wonder why you would do that if you don't have something to hide?

 

i also find it funny that you claim to be a modder but won't share for ... reasons - yet expect anyone else to fully share with you and fully support how YOU want it to be supported.

 

entitled, much?

Edited by 1ae0bfb8, 23 June 2022 - 10:41 PM.

[showler]

On a practical side, trying to force mod authors to use Nexus for support could cause a loss of mod authors on the site. For no benefit other than "I don't want to make an account on another site". Not worth it.

[IKobi]

On a practical side, trying to force mod authors to use Nexus for support could cause a loss of mod authors on the site. For no benefit other than "I don't want to make an account on another site". Not worth it.

They can still provide support on other platforms, I'm just saying they should also provide support on Nexus (instead of making it exclusive outside Nexus).

 

Plus Nexus already made changes like this on other systems, and they already lost modders.

Edited by IKobi, 23 June 2022 - 11:36 PM.

[showler]

You're saying "make them do double the work".

And I have no idea what you are talking about with this "on other systems" bit.