Mojave Reloaded (Another Reloaded Mod? Wow. Lame.) WIP!

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The mod is out! Here's the link for anyone interested: http://newvegas.nexusmods.com/mods/54113/

 

Everything that was here has been removed, and moved to the description of the actual mod.

Edited November 25, 2013 by TheScout201

[GxRay]

Seems like an excellent mod. Will definitely give it a shot when released.

Keep at it!

[dangman4ever]

The NCR Shock Trooper doesn't make any sense: The SWAT teams of today are basically equivalent to our regualar Army forces today in terms of their weaponary and tactics. SWAT teams are essentially just police officers trained to do more military type operations in civilan areas. Not to mention that the Rangers are already the shock troopers of the NCR. In addition, Patrol Rangers act as police forces as well. So the Rangers are already both SWAT and shock troops. Then there's the Military Police. So don't see a reason for the NCR Shock Troopers since their roles are already being done by units already in game and lore-wise.

The NCR Junior Trooper doesn't make any sense either since it seems odd to denote a soldier as "junior" as well sending even poorer trained troops into an area. While there are more advanced schools for infantry tactics in the U.S military, every infantrymen is sent through those schools. As such, if the NCR is using a similar system, every one of their troops will be getting similar level of training.

As for the Boomers, it almost sounds like you're making them into super mutants with the naming convention. For the Hardened Boomer, just name them Boomer Security since Raquel mentioned leading a a security team against the ants in the Nellis Array. As for the Boomer Brutes, I don't see a reason for their existence since nothing in the game lore suggests that the Boomers like to practice selective breeding or have technology that can increase height and strength. Nor are they Super Mutants. I mean, yes there are some tall and strong people on farms and such but they're not called a different name from everybody else.

 

Oh and the Brotherhood of Steel? I think the name for the Paladin Commander should be changed to "Senior Paladin" since the title of Paladin Commander is used by the not-so-canon Midwest Brotherhood of Steel. Plus, it would keep the rank naming convention you have going with the Junior Paladin and Senior Initiate.

Edited November 3, 2013 by dangman4ever

[bjornl]

Dangman4ever, do you object to the description or the implementation of the new unit type? I don't see Rangers as shocktroopers but elite troopers. Shocktroops are not elite they are the opposite, they are expendable. Obviously a large amount of them were expended in the battle of Boulder City.

 

I suggest that reference to the swat team be removed as swat includes riflemen, snipers but mostly guys in medium armor with pistols. It does not seem to match your unit. What you are describing is closer to riot control not swat (not that I suggest a reference to that either).

 

If you can implement a shield that would be "riot trooper'ish". Also maybe add a mix of melee weapons. Description wise, I'd use something like... while he NCR is all about combat at a distance, the leadership felt that some form of counter to the legion's shock-trooper tactics was needed. Thus the creation of the riot troopers came to be. Not to change the combat style of the NCR but to be used a expendable troops at the front to hold back the charging hordes of close-combat legionaires while more conventionally equipped troopers pick them off at range. As an added bonus, the NCR discovered that the new grunts were also remarkably efficient at building to building fighting, not enough to replace conventional tactics but enough so that the experiment was deemed a moderate success and allowed to continue.

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To dangman4ever:

Good point about the Brotherhood. I completely agree and I appreciate you giving me a better idea to fix the old one.

As far as the boomers go, I'll change the one to Boomer Security but the whole idea is to give them diversity. Obviously the boomers know each other by their first names, but to the player it isn't any fun if all the boomers are just called "Boomer". I don't want to make them like super mutants, but looking through Nellis the other day every Boomer is the same size and it just seems weird for the area. Of course there are mini boomers that have their own personalities, but there's nothing unique about any individual boomer other than the quest-givers.

 

To dangman4ever and bjornl:

For the NCR Shock troopers: Should I call them NCR Riot Troopers then? I put this out here to get some feedback from you guys, and criticism is appreciated so I do appreciate your comments. They're not supposed to be used in normal battle, they're supposed to be used for clearing out buildings, suppressing fire, taking down crime lords in buildings, etc. I'll give an example. Say the NCR is going to take out some Omertas (I know it's unrealistic, it's just an example). They're in each hotel room. The reason I compared them to modern day SWAT is that sending troopers could have unnecessary casualties as their weapons are made for medium-long range and the service rifles aren't great around corners. The NCR would send in Shock (now called Riot) troopers into the hotel, as they could clear the hallways and suppress fire with riot shotguns. They could also fire around corners and use the shotgun's spread to take out anyone in the room. So they wouldn't be in game very often, they'd be more for special things. I was just planning on adding like a single team similar to First Recon in an NCR controlled area somewhere.

 

To bjornl: I'll try to add some melee weapons for them. I was initially just going to give them shock batons as a non-lethal secondary, but I'm not sure what to give them now. I think I'll keep the helmet as it fits them, but I don't know how to make a shield (or weapons for that matter) so I don't think I'd be able to do that unfortunately. The mod aims to improve things in the game and add more diversity as well as make it more difficult, so I do want to add some sort of NCR unit that is powerful but I can have for a more specific purpose than to just be there.

 

To GxRay:

Thanks! I appreciate it. Please let me know if you have any ideas for this mod.

 

EDIT: Wording

Edited November 3, 2013 by TheScout201

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I have a question. How would you guys feel about bringing back the NCR Prospectors and NCR mercenaries that were cut from the game in this mod?

[RangerBoo]

I have a question. How would you guys feel about bringing back the NCR Prospectors and NCR mercenaries that were cut from the game in this mod?

That sounds cool! I love it when modders add stuff that was cut from the final game! :D

[dangman4ever]

I object to both actually. While the Rangers are indeed elite troopers, the problem is that modern warfare has effectively made every soldier (well American soldier and Marine anyway) a shock trooper in all but name. While the US Marine Corps has been called America's Shock Troops, that's more in reference to their ability bring a large combined arms force quicker than the U.S Army can. The U.S Marines are equipped and have tactics very similar to that of the U.S Army. Just don't mention that to a Marine though :wink:

 

Anyway, as wikipedia states, the term shock troops is "rarely used as the strategic concepts behind it have become standard contemporary military thinking." Also from the wiki: "The demands of infantry fighting in the Second World War erased much of the romance of 'shock' troops, particularly when any well-trained infantry was capable of the same tactics, particularly in a formal assault on a well-defended objective."

 

You are correct however that Rangers should not be considered shock troops . They're really more like elite Special Operation forces combined with certain law enforcement capabilities.

Dangman4ever, do you object to the description or the implementation of the new unit type? I don't see Rangers as shocktroopers but elite troopers. Shocktroops are not elite they are the opposite, they are expendable. Obviously a large amount of them were expended in the battle of Boulder City.

 

I suggest that reference to the swat team be removed as swat includes riflemen, snipers but mostly guys in medium armor with pistols. It does not seem to match your unit. What you are describing is closer to riot control not swat (not that I suggest a reference to that either).

 

 

But the problem is that Boomer Brute doesn't make any sense in the context of the Boomers. Remember that Boomers are basically very similar to a military unit due to their location. Or basically a very militarized society. Rachel is the Master Sgt at Arms and there were the references to the security teams. So if you want ideas for different Boomers, probably look at the various names and units that make the ground portion of the US Air Force.

 

As for the Riot Troopers, the problem is that the U.S military conducted numerous room clearings with just the regular Army and Marine troops armed with carbines and rifles. So while not optimal, rifles can still be used to clear a room. Automatic shotguns are cool, they do have a limited range and there are more materials out there that can stop a shotgun pellet than a rifle round. Also, I would imagine the riot shotgun not being that great for suppressive fire since it only has a 12 round drum and its rather limited range. Compare that to the service rifle with its 20 round magazine. That's an additional 8 seconds of suppression (assuming a shot every second) compared to the riot shotgun.

 

In addition, these "Riot Troopers" could only be used off the Vegas Strip as the treaty that House and the NCR signed does not allow the NCR to keep fully combat capable forces on the strip itself. Since the NCR is pretty much ignoring Freeside, I don't see an area where these Riot Troopers could be used.

To dangman4ever:

Good point about the Brotherhood. I completely agree and I appreciate you giving me a better idea to fix the old one.

As far as the boomers go, I'll change the one to Boomer Security but the whole idea is to give them diversity. Obviously the boomers know each other by their first names, but to the player it isn't any fun if all the boomers are just called "Boomer". I don't want to make them like super mutants, but looking through Nellis the other day every Boomer is the same size and it just seems weird for the area. Of course there are mini boomers that have their own personalities, but there's nothing unique about any individual boomer other than the quest-givers.

 

To dangman4ever and bjornl:

For the NCR Shock troopers: Should I call them NCR Riot Troopers then? I put this out here to get some feedback from you guys, and criticism is appreciated so I do appreciate your comments. They're not supposed to be used in normal battle, they're supposed to be used for clearing out buildings, suppressing fire, taking down crime lords in buildings, etc. I'll give an example. Say the NCR is going to take out some Omertas (I know it's unrealistic, it's just an example). They're in each hotel room. The reason I compared them to modern day SWAT is that sending troopers could have unnecessary casualties as their weapons are made for medium-long range and the service rifles aren't great around corners. The NCR would send in Shock (now called Riot) troopers into the hotel, as they could clear the hallways and suppress fire with riot shotguns. They could also fire around corners and use the shotgun's spread to take out anyone in the room. So they wouldn't be in game very often, they'd be more for special things. I was just planning on adding like a single team similar to First Recon in an NCR controlled area somewhere.

 

The prospectors I like. Not the mercenaries though.

I have a question. How would you guys feel about bringing back the NCR Prospectors and NCR mercenaries that were cut from the game in this mod?

Edited November 3, 2013 by dangman4ever

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I object to both actually. While the Rangers are indeed elite troopers, the problem is that modern warfare has effectively made every soldier (well American soldier and Marine anyway) a shock trooper in all but name. While the US Marine Corps has been called America's Shock Troops, that's more in reference to their ability bring a large combined arms force quicker than the U.S Army can. The U.S Marines are equipped and have tactics very similar to that of the U.S Army. Just don't mention that to a Marine though :wink:

 

Dangman4ever, do you object to the description or the implementation of the new unit type? I don't see Rangers as shocktroopers but elite troopers. Shocktroops are not elite they are the opposite, they are expendable. Obviously a large amount of them were expended in the battle of Boulder City.

 

I suggest that reference to the swat team be removed as swat includes riflemen, snipers but mostly guys in medium armor with pistols. It does not seem to match your unit. What you are describing is closer to riot control not swat (not that I suggest a reference to that either).

 

 

But the problem is that Boomer Brute doesn't make any sense in the context of the Boomers. Remember that Boomers are basically very similar to a military unit due to their location. Or basically a very militarized society. Rachel is the Master Sgt at Arms and there were the references to the security teams. So if you want ideas for different Boomers, probably look at the various names and units that make the ground portion of the US Air Force.

 

As for the Riot Troopers, the problem is that the U.S military conducted numerous room clearings with just the regular Army and Marine troops armed with carbines and rifles. So while not optimal, rifles can still be used to clear a room. Automatic shotguns are cool, they do have a limited range and there are more materials out there that can stop a shotgun pellet than a rifle round. Also, I would imagine the riot shotgun not being that great for suppressive fire since it only has a 12 round drum and its rather limited range. Compare that to the service rifle with its 20 round magazine. That's an additional 8 seconds of suppression (assuming a shot every second) compared to the riot shotgun.

 

In addition, these "Riot Troopers" could only be used off the Vegas Strip as the treaty that House and the NCR signed does not allow the NCR to keep fully combat capable forces on the strip itself. Since the NCR is pretty much ignoring Freeside, I don't see an area where these Riot Troopers could be used.

To dangman4ever:

Good point about the Brotherhood. I completely agree and I appreciate you giving me a better idea to fix the old one.

As far as the boomers go, I'll change the one to Boomer Security but the whole idea is to give them diversity. Obviously the boomers know each other by their first names, but to the player it isn't any fun if all the boomers are just called "Boomer". I don't want to make them like super mutants, but looking through Nellis the other day every Boomer is the same size and it just seems weird for the area. Of course there are mini boomers that have their own personalities, but there's nothing unique about any individual boomer other than the quest-givers.

 

To dangman4ever and bjornl:

For the NCR Shock troopers: Should I call them NCR Riot Troopers then? I put this out here to get some feedback from you guys, and criticism is appreciated so I do appreciate your comments. They're not supposed to be used in normal battle, they're supposed to be used for clearing out buildings, suppressing fire, taking down crime lords in buildings, etc. I'll give an example. Say the NCR is going to take out some Omertas (I know it's unrealistic, it's just an example). They're in each hotel room. The reason I compared them to modern day SWAT is that sending troopers could have unnecessary casualties as their weapons are made for medium-long range and the service rifles aren't great around corners. The NCR would send in Shock (now called Riot) troopers into the hotel, as they could clear the hallways and suppress fire with riot shotguns. They could also fire around corners and use the shotgun's spread to take out anyone in the room. So they wouldn't be in game very often, they'd be more for special things. I was just planning on adding like a single team similar to First Recon in an NCR controlled area somewhere.

 

The prospectors I like. Not the mercenaries though.

I have a question. How would you guys feel about bringing back the NCR Prospectors and NCR mercenaries that were cut from the game in this mod?

 

They could be used in the freeside battle when the NCR attacks the Kings, they could be seen guarding places like the inside of the Hoover Dam area (where Colonel Moore is) because of the close quarters, they could be used inside Helios One because of the close quarters, they could be used inside the Camp Forlorn Hope officer's tent, they could be used as security for the insides of buildings like the NCR Police Station on the Strip by the monorail (there are NCR troopers with guns in there), they could be used for the front gate of Camp Mccarran (inside the walls) because it's the only entrance and having a couple of Riot Troopers with riot shotguns could mow down a group of fiends that got inside the base, etc.

 

There are lots of places where they could fit in a lore-friendly perspective, some being better than others.

 

 

And I agree, the NCR Mercenaries aren't my favorite either. I was just asking if you liked the idea. I'll be sure to put some NCR Prospectors in places like Sloan and the Boulder City Saloon where the NCR owns the areas but doesn't have any actual troopers there.

 

 

EDIT: You raise a really good point about the shotguns though. I could definitely give them backup service rifles or maybe pistols?

 

Also here's an idea for the Boomers. How about adding Boomer Elders instead? They'd be the same as the other boomers, but just older. It wouldn't be as diverse as the other option, but I guess it would be more lore-friendly and make more sense.

Edited November 3, 2013 by TheScout201

[dangman4ever]

The NCR doesn't attack the Kings though in the final battle. They only attack the Kings after the final battle and only if you decide to incite full scale war between the Kings and the NCR.

As for guards, the military just use regular soldiers or military police to do the guarding. Yes they are sometimes equipped with shotguns. But the military don't change the names or roles of those guards based on whether they use shotguns or rifles. During the final battle at Hoover Dam, if you're fighting alongside the NCR inside the dam itself, many of those NCR soldiers are already equipped with riot shotguns. IMO, riot shotguns don't warrant an entirely new unit or name change. Snipers and machine gunners do however.

Speaking of snipers, now that I think about it, 1st Recon already takes over the role of the NCR snipers. I think a more accurate term for your NCR Sniper should be NCR Sharpshooters Or Marksmen. In normal military vocab, sharpshooters or marksman are usually assigned to a fireteam or squad to provide longer ranged fire. Since you mentioned patrols, sharpshooters are better suited to go on patrols since their weapons tend to be a bit more mobile than the weapons that snipers use. So weapons like the hunting rifle, battle rifle, or the marksman carbine would good choices for these NCR Sharpshooters.

Also, current military fireteams of 4 soldiers usually include a light machine gunner or automatic rifleman. So for your NCR fireteam patrols, you can also include one person holding the Light Machine Gun or even the Assault Carbine. So basically you can have a fireteam patrol have one NCR Sharpshooter, one NCR Automatic Rifleman, and have the other two be regular rifleman. I would recommend a grenade launcher as well but the game's handling of people with grenade launchers isn't exactly fun. Anyway, you'll now have a substantially beefed up patrols which would make the game harder if you're anti-NCR. However, that would also break the game balance as the upgraded fireteam would now basically have the ability to wipe out legion units even faster.

Boomer Elders would basically mean a bunch of old boomers. So not bad.

I don't like the idea of NCR mercenaries.