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[Messiha666]

In response to post #117142303.

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kaneone wrote: HO HO this is going to be a s*** show....no offense, but I don't think you guys truly understand what a collection of mods means in skyrim. For example: the bug section is going to be flooded with all sorts of unsolved problems such as compatibility issues, performance issues, unwanted/redundant contents, lacking of certain bundle of bug fixes. And you know the fun part is?....No one has the expertise to fix them because they are not bugs themselves individually but a collective issue. Then it eventually makes the users to fix them at last. So it's all the same except this time it's you guys are handing the troubles. Let them decide what to download, you are not making things easier.

Or, if you guys accept finished mod packs and willing to give us some credit for them, I believe a lot of people would upload their perfect version of skyrim for you.

Aren't you just describing Wabbajack?

Also, regarding the flooded bug section part - I heartily invite you to pick any heavily endorsed mod and browse its bug section. They're already hopelessly stuffed with barely coherent issues like 'mod dont work???' and 'crash my gaem' in the hundreds.
Remains to be seen how well curated those Collections are going to be.

[Unflapped]

Hi, I've been following the whole fuzz about collections lately, I've stumbled upon a showcase video and wanted to install the mods listed in it and found a link to a collection, that's how I learned about this feature a few days ago. Since then, I've only red bad things about collections, either on the nexus itself or Reddit. After gathering several takes on the matter and having seen many comments, I would like to share my thoughts. Bear in mind that this is my second post here on the nexus, I've broken my radio silence just because I can't wrap my mind around how enraged and upset people seem to be about this new feature.

Collections are a very nice QOL feature for this website, and for games that have had an active modding scene for years, finding and matching mods isn't easy. Even if you are skilled in modding, and you know your way around it, sometimes putting together a complete mod list is a very time-consuming effort. Collections take away that effort, giving you a base on which you can start working on, say you want to have a modernized gameplay on an old title, but you have no clue what mods can achieve that, BAM you get a collection with 45 mods that tackle that very aspect, without having to go and hand pick every single one of them. What I mean is that if the user thinks they will get a collection, click a button and have a complete different game without effort, then the user is delusional and knows nothing of modding, and that is the user's fault! Ignorance is not an excuse. If you know even a tiny bit of modding, you can't for the love of god think that a collection of 192 mods will work together as a charm by just clicking a button. My take on this is that instead of asking who should be held responsible for the correct functioning of the mod list we should be focusing on making sure that the users understand that by clicking the download button on a collection they are about to heavily mod a game, an action which that takes time, effort, troubleshooting and willingness to actually make things work together. 

I think the post of UhuruNUru is very, very comprehensive regarding who has the "responsibility" for support, and I honestly think that it should be a baseline to follow when giving support for an issue someone is having while using the collection feature.
To summarize and explain better my rant: if you see collections as something that should flawlessly work with one click, and you think someone (namely the curator) must provide complete support and guides to make the collection work, then I think you are missing the point of them. The point is to group together a bunch of mods by some criteria decided by the curator. They could be mods the curator likes, mods he used in a video, in a stream, they could be anything, no one has ever written in stone those mods have to work well together. Giving advices, guides and tips on how to make the mods work together is at the discretion of the curator and is a plus that should come with the collection being MEANT to make them all work together as an "overhaul" to some aspect of a game.

I don't know If I could explain my thought process well enough, English is not my native language, I hope though I shared my thoughts without misconceptions.
I know in this post I sound like "I understood what this feature means, and you haven't" but that's not the message I'm trying to convey, it's more like "In my opinion you are looking into this matter from the wrong perspective". 
A new feature of a website is a tool in the hands of the user, how they use it makes the difference. Instead of criticizing a feature which could be only but beneficial to all, why don't we try to promote the correct usage of collections? Why don't we try to make sure that the curator states in the description whether the mods are meant to work together or are just a list of mods from the same category? Why don't we encourage curators who create overhaul collections to give detailed instructions on how to make it all work together? The effort of the community should be aimed to make sure the new tool provided is not misused. Not nuking the new features with bad comments cause you think people will misuse this. Remember that the community is what makes these kinds of things work, not the tools. Peace \o

Edited by Unflapped, 02 November 2022 - 04:29 am.

[a1racer]

the search function thank you God that needed to be done day 1 there's some mods I love so finding packs with them was hard when it only says mod pack 354 mods that you have to look through them. also i think some people should not be able to downvote a mod pack unless they can give a reason for it I've seen packs that where good sitting at like 74% and all it did was had all the jk interior mods plus patch packs in it how that gets downvoted is absurd   yet you see a mod pack with like 800 mods I download it to try it, its complete garbage but retains a high score by constantly releasing updates to get a fresh score. no naming and shaming here that's not what I'm about just that these new features will make it better to find quality content for people. 

[a1racer]

In response to post #117142303. #117144823 is also a reply to the same post.

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kaneone wrote: HO HO this is going to be a s*** show....no offense, but I don't think you guys truly understand what a collection of mods means in skyrim. For example: the bug section is going to be flooded with all sorts of unsolved problems such as compatibility issues, performance issues, unwanted/redundant contents, lacking of certain bundle of bug fixes. And you know the fun part is?....No one has the expertise to fix them because they are not bugs themselves individually but a collective issue. Then it eventually makes the users to fix them at last. So it's all the same except this time it's you guys are handing the troubles. Let them decide what to download, you are not making things easier.

Or, if you guys accept finished mod packs and willing to give us some credit for them, I believe a lot of people would upload their perfect version of skyrim for you.

Messiha666 wrote: Aren't you just describing Wabbajack?

Also, regarding the flooded bug section part - I heartily invite you to pick any heavily endorsed mod and browse its bug section. They're already hopelessly stuffed with barely coherent issues like 'mod dont work???' and 'crash my gaem' in the hundreds.
Remains to be seen how well curated those Collections are going to be.

dude probably the best mod pack on here https://next.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/collections/9zfscf has a dude who fixes bugs updates his stuff ever couple weeks and it's basically a great experience out of the box and has like 1k mods but people downvote it because it's hard or because they don't like survival, that dude worked his ass off his mod list is pretty awesome he has fixed a majority of user reported issues but it has an average score because people can't figure out fighting and survival are tough    

to come on and say basically i love wabbjack we all know you do, and nexus sucks is a little bit of a bad take specifically when these are made for everybody and anybody not just darkest corner of the web wabbajack users ( ive used wabbajack as well but the collections limited at best)    

[Lollia]

In response to post #117126033. #117127648, #117129553, #117131188, #117133763, #117139693, #117141528 are all replies on the same post.

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RedMetalShield wrote:

?To leave a bug report you must be logged in to a Nexus Mods account and have already downloaded the Collection. ?

So if my mods get featured in a collection, I have to download the collection first to add a bug report?
This is not very good in my opinion. From my experience I was able to spot conflicts/bugs in collections which featured my mods right away without downloading the collection, often because other mods in the Collections were heavily incompatible or redundant (which I would argue should count as a "bug"), or had indirect conflicts due to scripts.
I also don't even use Vortex, I use MO2. I don't want to install Vortex and entire collections to report (obvious or already known) bugs or incompatibilities.

Mod authors of mods featured in a collection should be able to report bugs as well without having to download the entire collections first, especially because some Curators tend to never look into their DMs.

Pickysaurus wrote: We considered this during the design of the feature but there isn't much value in allowing it at the moment.

As you say you've never used the feature you might not be familiar but a Collection can be fairly involved setup, rather than being a simple list of mods. On the surface you might be right about a potential issue, however, the curator may have already catered for that issue using a bundled conflict resolution patch, mod rules, or through binary patching or omitting certain files from the installation. So you can't know for sure that there's a problem unless you actually test it for yourself. I'm sure you'd prefer people play your mod before adding bug reports to your mod page? 

That said, if you refuse to use the feature and/or don't want to download it, you can freely leave a comment in the comments thread or send the curator a PM. Neither of these require you to have used the collection. If they don't see your PM, they probably won't respond to the bug report either but the top curators are always happy to engage with mod authors. As noted in the "What's next?" section, we're currently building a new comments section to replace the current forum-based implementation so these will be part of the page - as they are with mods - in the future. 

On the technical side, it would actually not be trivial to grant this anyway. We'd have to dynamically add/remove special permissions from a collection based on if it currently contains your mod. There are also considerations like "Revision 1 contained my mod, but Revision 2 does not, should I still be able to report without downloading?". If you download the collection we also have some context as to which revision you tried and found a problem with. 

If you're having some specific issue that you'd like to discuss, feel free to drop me a PM - I'm happy to try and poke a specific curator if you can send me the details.

You're welcome to suggests this on the new feedback site though and if it gets a lot of votes we'll revisit the decision. 

RedMetalShield wrote:

As you say you've never used the feature you might not be familiar but a Collection can be fairly involved setup

Well, I made the guides that "inspired" the Collections I mentioned. So I know what I am talking about when I say that those collections are a mess. Some of the mods in the collections had completely broken esp files with errors because the master references got ripped out, were not functional at all, or introduced known bugs.
And this happened in very amatereurish Collections, and even in Collections from people who should have known better, way before binary patching was even iontroduced to Nexus Collections.

That said, if you refuse to use the feature and/or don't want to download it, you can freely leave a comment in the comments thread or
send the curator a PM

Most users do not read the comments section in my experience, but might take a look into the bugs section. Curators sometimes take ages to look into the comments section, or upload a collection one time and abandon it right away. So if I could directly add a bug report, which is more visible to people who consider using the Collection (even if they should not because it is broken), it would be better then simply writing a comment in the comment section that most users don't even bother to read.

If you're having some specific issue that you'd like to discuss, feel free to drop me a PM - I'm happy to try and poke a specific curator if
you can send me the details.

The issue is that a lot of collections are badly made, and as a mod author I can't do anything about it if those collections use my mods. A way report obvious bugs without downloading the collection would be a nice idea. Curators tend to ignore DMs or say that they fix the stuff, and then proceed to ignore it. In the meantime people run around on reddit and discord telling everyone that mod X is broken just because it didn't work in a collection, even if the collection broke the mod.

If the condition stuff is too complicated, then at least give very active mod authors (who made X mods and reached a certain number of downloads with their mods) access to comment on collections. Introducing such a "rank system" would help to avoid spam bug reports of any kind, and it is probably easier then complicated backend condition checks about which mod from which mod authors is featured in which iteration of the collection.

ILoveGadgets wrote: Perhaps an improvement would be to have a sreparate communications channel between creators of content (mods, resources, collections).

That way there would be a high visibility way for creators to colaborate on fixing issues and bugs directly with no need to download anything first.

This channel would require that a person had published content (mod, etc) AND that content is used in a collection, once that condition is met the mod creator and collection curator would then both be able to initiate and reply to issue reports between them.

This channel would NOT be visible to regular Nexus members, only to creators and curators.

Nexus could consider a rule that curators and creators MUST address points raised in a reasonable time with collection curators that do not properly maintain their collections having their work de-listed until outstanding bugs are swatted.

Mod creators that do not respond should similarly face having a "Not Maintained" tag added to their mod for all to see.

RedMetalShield wrote:

This channel would NOT be visible to regular Nexus members, only to creators and curators.

That would miss the point tbh. It should be public so that users are warned about potential issues, and it would help to avoid multiple bug reports about the same thing.

OFSRazgriz wrote: Maybe if a mod author knows that their mod contains a certain bug, they can submit a bug report without downloading the Collection it's in, but the Curator has to approve it before it gets posted? Alternatively, maybe there could be a sub-heading or tab that links to the Bug Reports pages for each respective mod, and which shows a quick-view list of unresolved bugs for each mod that a Curator can then flag as fixed by their Collection.

UhuruNUru wrote: The answer is individual mod authors should never be responsible for issues in collections.

I was the most active voluntary support girl for MO1 from 2013-16, solely responsible for the move to STEP, where the issue of collections were first raised, until Nexus made it clear they wouldn't be allowed. BS (Bethesda Softworks) killed my love for the franchise by adding a MICS (Microtransaction Infested Cash Shop), in games released years earlier F4, and SSE.

I removed both games from my Steam account, and I've not modded a BGS game since, I still mod games, but not BGS games now.
Still I buy the GOG releases, and bought SAE the day it released on GOG. Skywind, and other full conversion mods will bring me back, but I don't trust BS not to repeat that offense, and I have a simple red line.

No Microtransactions, No Excuses Accepted, No Exceptions Allowed.
I deleted my entire Ubisoft account of 17-bought games, and Epic Games Account with 8-bougt games, for NFT offences.
I only kept the games I have on GOG, because Offline Installers, with No Store Client Required means No MICS allowed in Single Player.

You can still see my many posts helping users throughout The MO Posts Thread, until the day we finally closed it, and made STEP the Official Support Site. If you doubt my knowledge of MO, and though MO2 has some differences, it's 90% identical, and in fact was not even fully usable when we were looking at collections

Our MO support policy was clear, and applied to MO, exactly as it would have to collections.
If you use MO, you ask MO for support for all your modding issues, MO has unique features, and works completely differently than other managers, when we have eliminated MO as the cause, you can move on to the mod, with the confidence that the MO experts have eliminated MO as the cause
MO1 had a unique feature that did things against the norms mod authors are used too, and no I'm not talking about the VFS (Virtual File System) though that is still the main unique feature. The result is a standard Data Folder presented to the game, so as far as mod authors go this had no impact on support.

Before Skyrim the standard recommendation for all BSA (Bethesda Softworks Archive), was extract to loose files, it was faster too load loose files, and also much better for conflict resolution

The unique feature of MO was Tannin found a way to Keep BSAs intact, while treating the contents as though Loose files.
This best of both worlds feature, was the unique feature of MO that changed things other managers, could/would not.

The problem was the most asked noob question, was "Where have my mods gone, the Data folder is Empty".
Which is answered in the mod Description, and the painstaking written manual, the first draft was based largely on my many Forum/Posts Tab (Same content), but that's first draft is long gone now, it's all MO2 now, and I've been AWOL for 5 years.

Note: There were only ever 5 or 6 of us providing support, and we were the Unofficial Support Team. I was just the most active in the Nexus Forum, so tended to answer most questions before the others even saw them, it was not that I knew more than the others. It's just we were so few, and I read every single post on the SLE Nexus page, and was answering them every single day.

Our response, to this constantly asked question, RTFM, then ask questions

When noobs don't even read the description, they are definitely not going to follow our advice.
When Noobs told Mod Authors they were using MO, and were told to go to MO support first, by that author, and quite correctly.
The noobs just started hiding the fact they were even using MO, and when the Author inevitably figured out the truth, or even suspected MO was involved they blocked the user, and blamed MO whether true, or not. We couldn't blame the author for that.
So MO2 dropped this killer feature. Tannin said it was a nightmare to implement, and we knew that, but it was a dream to use, and above all we were users of MO, not the developer, different perspective, different priorities.
If I still modded BGS games I would still be using MO today for the 32-bit BGS games, it's still better than MO2, because of one killer feature, nothing else can do.

So reading your posts I'm getting strong feelings of Deja Vue.
Collections are an exclusive feature of Vortex, and Vortex Support must take responsibility for them.
Whether that is by putting the responsibility for support where it belongs, the Collection Author, or Vortex Support (Can't see that one).
Not the individual Mod Authors, or at least not until the collections been eliminated as the problem.

Clearly Nexus hasn't thought this through, ironic considering the pressure we were under, despite having the exact same issue.
A feature no other Manager has, and one Dark0ne actively opposed, siding with mod authors back when STEP/MO were in the very early stages of testing such a feature. Long before Vortex even existed, we asked for permission, but it was refused.
We dropped it then, when Mator tried the same thing, he went the link to mod page route, which entirely defeats the automated collections idea that STEP wanted for their modding guides.
It's like following any manual Collection, for any game, first you ask the Collection Author for Support, it's their guide being followed.

Support Path is clear
Vortex Support > Responsible/Eliminated > Collection Support > Responsible/Eliminated > Mod Support > Responsible

Providing Support is not Rocket Science, just a process of elimination
Correctly implemented, the Mod Author should only see issues they have responsibility for.
It's got to be rigidly enforced though, and users made to understand the process gives them the best support, where it's needed.

I don't need to research it, I know from long experience modding 100s of games.
RTFM is always the most used Support response every single day of the year.

{Edits} Typos, it's always the Typos
Plus one other issue, old archived versions of mods, are no longer deletable, archives being kept for collections, is what drove some authors off of Nexus Mods.
Are mod Authors expected to support every version, when the solution may be update mod, and break the collection, the exact reason for the archives existence, is also Nexus Mods responsibility, the author updated their mod for a reason.

Now let me be clear, I'm in favour of fully automating collection installs (From memory that;s a Premium Account Feature.
For "Legacy" Lifetime Premium accounts like mine, that's not an issue, but the "Legacy" means it's no longer offered.
Getting mod Authors on board is very hard, they have valid concerns about losing visits, donations, but mostly it's the Archives.
If a Collection still uses any old version of a mod, that must free every author of any obligation for providing mod support.

"Nexus could consider a rule that curators and creators MUST address points raised in a reasonable time with collection curators that do not properly maintain their collections having their work de-listed until outstanding bugs are swatted.

Mod creators that do not respond should similarly face having a "Not Maintained" tag added to their mod for all to see."

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It should go without saying at this point, but it bears reiterating: MOD AUTHORS DO NOT WORK FOR YOU! 

You basically want to shame people who have jobs and (hopefully) lives that do not revolve around modding 24/7. We are hobbyists, not machines. We work for passion, not profit. And sometimes our mods are the life-rafts that keep us clinging to the shores of life. 

This was even a huge concern during the Summer of 2021. Mod authors were assured by the Nexus that we would not ever be obligated to support any issues that arose from Collections which contained our mods. They darn well know that we have enough to contend with on our own mod pages.

Edited by Lollia, 02 November 2022 - 09:27 am.

[dagaz74]

Is the fact that you can change the images in the collections, upload a collection, but you cannot change the texts and titles, is something that has yet to be examined or is it just on my side? thanks
edit: now is ok

Edited by dagaz74, 02 November 2022 - 03:55 pm.

[Messiha666]

In response to post #117142303. #117144823, #117152238 are all replies on the same post.

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kaneone wrote: HO HO this is going to be a s*** show....no offense, but I don't think you guys truly understand what a collection of mods means in skyrim. For example: the bug section is going to be flooded with all sorts of unsolved problems such as compatibility issues, performance issues, unwanted/redundant contents, lacking of certain bundle of bug fixes. And you know the fun part is?....No one has the expertise to fix them because they are not bugs themselves individually but a collective issue. Then it eventually makes the users to fix them at last. So it's all the same except this time it's you guys are handing the troubles. Let them decide what to download, you are not making things easier.

Or, if you guys accept finished mod packs and willing to give us some credit for them, I believe a lot of people would upload their perfect version of skyrim for you.

Messiha666 wrote: Aren't you just describing Wabbajack?

Also, regarding the flooded bug section part - I heartily invite you to pick any heavily endorsed mod and browse its bug section. They're already hopelessly stuffed with barely coherent issues like 'mod dont work???' and 'crash my gaem' in the hundreds.
Remains to be seen how well curated those Collections are going to be.

a1racer wrote: dude probably the best mod pack on here https://next.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/collections/9zfscf has a dude who fixes bugs updates his stuff ever couple weeks and it's basically a great experience out of the box and has like 1k mods but people downvote it because it's hard or because they don't like survival, that dude worked his ass off his mod list is pretty awesome he has fixed a majority of user reported issues but it has an average score because people can't figure out fighting and survival are tough    

to come on and say basically i love wabbjack we all know you do, and nexus sucks is a little bit of a bad take specifically when these are made for everybody and anybody not just darkest corner of the web wabbajack users ( ive used wabbajack as well but the collections limited at best)    

That's pretty funny, imo. As dumb as Hard = Boo might be, it does still kinda contribute some popularity. Might just go and give it a look, actually. Always wanted to play Requiem.

As for the apparent effort that went into providing custom-made compatibility patches and on-going bugfixes - that's pretty cool to see. Willing to go on a limb here and say that it's also probably gonna be a tad rare. That's a heck of a workload to stay on top of and I can imagine not everyone's willing to hassle with that, instead just leaving things at well enough. Which, you know, is also fine. Gamebreaking bugs and glitches aside, of course.

[kaneone]

In response to post #117142303. #117144823, #117152238, #117187603 are all replies on the same post.

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kaneone wrote: HO HO this is going to be a s*** show....no offense, but I don't think you guys truly understand what a collection of mods means in skyrim. For example: the bug section is going to be flooded with all sorts of unsolved problems such as compatibility issues, performance issues, unwanted/redundant contents, lacking of certain bundle of bug fixes. And you know the fun part is?....No one has the expertise to fix them because they are not bugs themselves individually but a collective issue. Then it eventually makes the users to fix them at last. So it's all the same except this time it's you guys are handing the troubles. Let them decide what to download, you are not making things easier.

Or, if you guys accept finished mod packs and willing to give us some credit for them, I believe a lot of people would upload their perfect version of skyrim for you.

Messiha666 wrote: Aren't you just describing Wabbajack?

Also, regarding the flooded bug section part - I heartily invite you to pick any heavily endorsed mod and browse its bug section. They're already hopelessly stuffed with barely coherent issues like 'mod dont work???' and 'crash my gaem' in the hundreds.
Remains to be seen how well curated those Collections are going to be.

a1racer wrote: dude probably the best mod pack on here https://next.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/collections/9zfscf has a dude who fixes bugs updates his stuff ever couple weeks and it's basically a great experience out of the box and has like 1k mods but people downvote it because it's hard or because they don't like survival, that dude worked his ass off his mod list is pretty awesome he has fixed a majority of user reported issues but it has an average score because people can't figure out fighting and survival are tough    

to come on and say basically i love wabbjack we all know you do, and nexus sucks is a little bit of a bad take specifically when these are made for everybody and anybody not just darkest corner of the web wabbajack users ( ive used wabbajack as well but the collections limited at best)    

Messiha666 wrote: That's pretty funny, imo. As dumb as Hard = Boo might be, it does still kinda contribute some popularity. Might just go and give it a look, actually. Always wanted to play Requiem.

As for the apparent effort that went into providing custom-made compatibility patches and on-going bugfixes - that's pretty cool to see. Willing to go on a limb here and say that it's also probably gonna be a tad rare. That's a heck of a workload to stay on top of and I can imagine not everyone's willing to hassle with that, instead just leaving things at well enough. Which, you know, is also fine. Gamebreaking bugs and glitches aside, of course.

If the list consists a lot of animation mods, well, good luck sorting them all out, as far as I can see the collection got nothing for such functionality.

[a1racer]

In response to post #117142303. #117144823, #117152238, #117187603, #117189168 are all replies on the same post.

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kaneone wrote: HO HO this is going to be a s*** show....no offense, but I don't think you guys truly understand what a collection of mods means in skyrim. For example: the bug section is going to be flooded with all sorts of unsolved problems such as compatibility issues, performance issues, unwanted/redundant contents, lacking of certain bundle of bug fixes. And you know the fun part is?....No one has the expertise to fix them because they are not bugs themselves individually but a collective issue. Then it eventually makes the users to fix them at last. So it's all the same except this time it's you guys are handing the troubles. Let them decide what to download, you are not making things easier.

Or, if you guys accept finished mod packs and willing to give us some credit for them, I believe a lot of people would upload their perfect version of skyrim for you.

Messiha666 wrote: Aren't you just describing Wabbajack?

Also, regarding the flooded bug section part - I heartily invite you to pick any heavily endorsed mod and browse its bug section. They're already hopelessly stuffed with barely coherent issues like 'mod dont work???' and 'crash my gaem' in the hundreds.
Remains to be seen how well curated those Collections are going to be.

a1racer wrote: dude probably the best mod pack on here https://next.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/collections/9zfscf has a dude who fixes bugs updates his stuff ever couple weeks and it's basically a great experience out of the box and has like 1k mods but people downvote it because it's hard or because they don't like survival, that dude worked his ass off his mod list is pretty awesome he has fixed a majority of user reported issues but it has an average score because people can't figure out fighting and survival are tough    

to come on and say basically i love wabbjack we all know you do, and nexus sucks is a little bit of a bad take specifically when these are made for everybody and anybody not just darkest corner of the web wabbajack users ( ive used wabbajack as well but the collections limited at best)    

Messiha666 wrote: That's pretty funny, imo. As dumb as Hard = Boo might be, it does still kinda contribute some popularity. Might just go and give it a look, actually. Always wanted to play Requiem.

As for the apparent effort that went into providing custom-made compatibility patches and on-going bugfixes - that's pretty cool to see. Willing to go on a limb here and say that it's also probably gonna be a tad rare. That's a heck of a workload to stay on top of and I can imagine not everyone's willing to hassle with that, instead just leaving things at well enough. Which, you know, is also fine. Gamebreaking bugs and glitches aside, of course.

kaneone wrote: If the list consists a lot of animation mods, well, good luck sorting them all out, as far as I can see the collection got nothing for such functionality.

yeah, the dude has released a lot of his patches to the public making it a lot easier to find requiem patches. and as far as animations i dont think he has a ton in there, but I'd guess it has all the basics like idles a few attack ones and stuff, but I don't generally care much about the animation side of Skyrim as long as it functions and looks half decent. 

[codeblackcrash]

Cool stuff here. I'd love to see some of these UI changes (and especially the Markdown WYSIWYG editor) brought over to the standard Nexus site.

Also, is there a way for mod pages to show what collections they're a part of? Sort of like the Mods requiring this file section on mod pages.