Crying - Yellow exclamation mark near plugins.

[TheXReaper]

In case its a bit long heres a shorter version without me crying:

 

New save with new mods

im getting yellow exclamation marks near my plugins and everytime i get a big ahead, the game crashes.

And i normally have 50+ mods running all the time, so it should work.

Any ideas?

 

Me crying version:

 

Im having a really strange problem with Nexus right now...

I normally have around 40-50 mods running with no problem but today nothing will work, NOTHING!

I wanted to get a fresh save, with new mods and everything, so i downloaded a lot of new mods and deleted old ones.

Put them all together, BOSS running, everything is fine.

But on every Plugin in Nexus theres a yellow exclamation mark near it, and i dont think my plugins need updating.

Anyways, im starting my new save, made my character, all is fine...

I went a bit ahead in Helgen and crash. Ok probably a bad mod, ill stop a few and check again.

Taking a few mods down, again crash.

Ok... This is a bit annoying, lets try taking a few big ones down.

Crash.

Ok now only the mods i must have no big weird stuff.

Crash.

Stopping all the mods - It works, yay... But i finished unmodded Skyrim too many times and theres too many cool new mods to play with!

So does anyone know why on earth nothing is working for me? Even mods that ive used before countless times?

 

 

Im sorry if this is the wrong place to ask such questions.

 

Thank you,

TheXReaper

Edited November 29, 2013 by TheXReaper

[Georgiegril]

You are looking at two separate issues, probably. The exclamation marks simply mean that there is a newer version of the mod than the one you are using.

 

However, your crashes are more likely due to this:

downloaded a lot of new mods and deleted old ones.

 

and this

Taking a few mods down, again crash.

 

and this

lets try taking a few big ones down

 

The skyrim game engine is not built for the removal of content, according to the developers. Information is retained in your save game from the mods you removed. This can cause you to crash and cause other problems.

Next, adding " a bunch" of mods all at once means you have no idea where to look if any of those mods is causing a conflict of any sort.

 

Given everything you have done, you are not going to be able to save your current playthrough, IMO. Your best chance is to use the STEP Guide's instructions for reverting to vanilla skyrim, and then start over, more carefully and methodically making changes. The below can help you.

 

Suggestion for trouble-free modding:

 

1. Go to STEP and follow the directions to revert to vanilla skyrim.

2. Start a new game, do not attempt to apply an old save, it will not work and may reintroduce corruption back into your now clean game.

3. Do not make any changes at all until you exit Helgen (the other option is to start with an alternate start mod to avoid the Helgen sequence.)

4, Before making any changes, read everything available on the subject. If it is a mod, read every last word of the readme, description, discussion thread, everything. If it is an ini change, google it, visit a few reputable sources and determine if it is worth trying. Just because one guy puts up a list of his ini changes and swears buy it does not mean it will work for you, and it might even make things worse. When considering any change, mod, .ini file, setting, whatever, consider it in light of your own system hardware and software and the other mods/changes you intend to make. Investigate any possible conflicts before adding it.

5. When you are ready to make any changes (mods, ini settings, anything) attempt only 1 or two at a time. If it's a mod, run BOSS. BOSS is a regular program, not a mod. There is a useful vid for BOSS, here. Set it up to generate the log in .txt format, not html. Read the log and address any messages. In any case, play a bit to test for stability, performance, and compatibility. Make sure to properly place the unrecognized mods as instructed by the mod author, or use TES5Edit or WryeBAsh, or if all else fails, place it with similar mods that are recognized, though that is more trial and error. Also, a number of excellent mods require you use skse. You can find it here. When you extract the files from the zip, you will see a readme that has instructions how to properly install it. There is also another gopher vid to help you set it up, here.

6. If you notice any negative effect of your change (not just crashes, but performance loss, glitches, anything), Stop. Do not attempt to keep playing and definitely do not add any new variables into your system. Investigate the possible causes. If it is a mod and you want to try to remove it, then remove it, but be sure to follow the author's removal instructions exactly. To be safe, go back to the save from just before you added it. (This is easy of you are slowly adding mods, but extremely painful if you add everything at once, play a bunch and have no idea where the problem lies. ) This will also help you avoid with script problems from removed mods that will continue and may get worse.

7. If you get stuck, post a detailed question before you get frustrated. Detailed means t include your BOSS log, noting how you placed unrecognized mods, other supporting programs you have used (like TES5Edit, skse, ANy texture optimizers, enbs, etc.) Also provide your computer specs, any changes to your driver profile and/or skyrim ini files. Finally, provide details about the crash--how long you've had it, what changed before you first noticed it, any patterns like time playing, specific areas or activities like opening a menu or such. Explain what you have already tried to fix the problem and what the results were.

8. Once you get your mods and other changes the way you want them, your game is stable and performing well, then stop. Every time you add or change any variable, you are inviting instability. If a new mod shows up and you think you just have to have it, ask yourself if it is worth having to start all over for--because, you may have to. If the answer is yes, then go ahead and try it and if your game crashes, well, you were willing to take the risk.

 

Recommendations for maintaining a trouble free game:

 

1. I personally suggest avoiding the Steam workshop for mods, because it will automatically update and sometimes even remove mods in your list, which can cause your game to die. Also, playing with Steam in offline mode will prevent unexpected updates from causing havoc.

2. Disable auto updates and avoid using quicksave, as these increase the chance of savegame corruption. Also, if your save does become corrupt, you will need to go back to your last working full save, which can be extremely painful if you rarely make them. You can do this by going into your Prefs.ini text file and then making sure the following lines look like this:

[Main]

bSaveOnPause=0
bSaveOnTravel=0
bSaveOnWait=0
bSaveOnRest=0

 

[saveGame]
fAutosaveEveryXMins=0.0000

 

For people who want the convenience of auto save with the functionality of a full save, there are a few mods you might check out, such as Ishara's Normal Numbered AutoSaves

 

Here is Gopher's vid on BOSS and his Beginner's Mod Tutorial

 

[TheXReaper]

 

You are looking at two separate issues, probably. The exclamation marks simply mean that there is a newer version of the mod than the one you are using.

 

However, your crashes are more likely due to this:

downloaded a lot of new mods and deleted old ones.

 

and this

Taking a few mods down, again crash.

 

and this

lets try taking a few big ones down

 

The skyrim game engine is not built for the removal of content, according to the developers. Information is retained in your save game from the mods you removed. This can cause you to crash and cause other problems.

Next, adding " a bunch" of mods all at once means you have no idea where to look if any of those mods is causing a conflict of any sort.

 

Given everything you have done, you are not going to be able to save your current playthrough, IMO. Your best chance is to use the STEP Guide's instructions for reverting to vanilla skyrim, and then start over, more carefully and methodically making changes. The below can help you.

 

Suggestion for trouble-free modding:

 

1. Go to STEP and follow the directions to revert to vanilla skyrim.

 

2. Start a new game, do not attempt to apply an old save, it will not work and may reintroduce corruption back into your now clean game.

 

3. Do not make any changes at all until you exit Helgen (the other option is to start with an alternate start mod to avoid the Helgen sequence.)

 

4, Before making any changes, read everything available on the subject. If it is a mod, read every last word of the readme, description, discussion thread, everything. If it is an ini change, google it, visit a few reputable sources and determine if it is worth trying. Just because one guy puts up a list of his ini changes and swears buy it does not mean it will work for you, and it might even make things worse. When considering any change, mod, .ini file, setting, whatever, consider it in light of your own system hardware and software and the other mods/changes you intend to make. Investigate any possible conflicts before adding it.

 

5. When you are ready to make any changes (mods, ini settings, anything) attempt only 1 or two at a time. If it's a mod, run BOSS. BOSS is a regular program, not a mod. There is a useful vid for BOSS, here. Set it up to generate the log in .txt format, not html. Read the log and address any messages. In any case, play a bit to test for stability, performance, and compatibility. Make sure to properly place the unrecognized mods as instructed by the mod author, or use TES5Edit or WryeBAsh, or if all else fails, place it with similar mods that are recognized, though that is more trial and error. Also, a number of excellent mods require you use skse. You can find it here. When you extract the files from the zip, you will see a readme that has instructions how to properly install it. There is also another gopher vid to help you set it up, here.

 

6. If you notice any negative effect of your change (not just crashes, but performance loss, glitches, anything), Stop. Do not attempt to keep playing and definitely do not add any new variables into your system. Investigate the possible causes. If it is a mod and you want to try to remove it, then remove it, but be sure to follow the author's removal instructions exactly. To be safe, go back to the save from just before you added it. (This is easy of you are slowly adding mods, but extremely painful if you add everything at once, play a bunch and have no idea where the problem lies. ) This will also help you avoid with script problems from removed mods that will continue and may get worse.

 

7. If you get stuck, post a detailed question before you get frustrated. Detailed means t include your BOSS log, noting how you placed unrecognized mods, other supporting programs you have used (like TES5Edit, skse, ANy texture optimizers, enbs, etc.) Also provide your computer specs, any changes to your driver profile and/or skyrim ini files. Finally, provide details about the crash--how long you've had it, what changed before you first noticed it, any patterns like time playing, specific areas or activities like opening a menu or such. Explain what you have already tried to fix the problem and what the results were.

 

8. Once you get your mods and other changes the way you want them, your game is stable and performing well, then stop. Every time you add or change any variable, you are inviting instability. If a new mod shows up and you think you just have to have it, ask yourself if it is worth having to start all over for--because, you may have to. If the answer is yes, then go ahead and try it and if your game crashes, well, you were willing to take the risk.

 

Recommendations for maintaining a trouble free game:

 

1. I personally suggest avoiding the Steam workshop for mods, because it will automatically update and sometimes even remove mods in your list, which can cause your game to die. Also, playing with Steam in offline mode will prevent unexpected updates from causing havoc.

 

2. Disable auto updates and avoid using quicksave, as these increase the chance of savegame corruption. Also, if your save does become corrupt, you will need to go back to your last working full save, which can be extremely painful if you rarely make them. You can do this by going into your Prefs.ini text file and then making sure the following lines look like this:

[Main]

bSaveOnPause=0

bSaveOnTravel=0

bSaveOnWait=0

bSaveOnRest=0

 

[saveGame]

fAutosaveEveryXMins=0.0000

 

For people who want the convenience of auto save with the functionality of a full save, there are a few mods you might check out, such as Ishara's Normal Numbered AutoSaves

 

Here is Gopher's vid on BOSS and his Beginner's Mod Tutorial

 

 

 

 

Well ive actually been doing this mod things with Skyrim for some time now and well 99% of the problems i get i normally can fix them but this thing is new.

Before i added tons of new mods i first made a clean, and i mean clean, game. Everything is new, no old mods are still there. So theres just the new mods.

And deactivating mods actually works pretty good for me. Lets say Skyrim is a bit slow with 70 mods so i try taking 5-10 mods that i dont really need, as long that i didnt do anything big with those mods or have anything contacted to them, and Skyrim runs fine again.

And i know the marks near the 'Mods names' means theres a new version[ which isnt really true because a lot of mods have different versions] But the marks are near the plugins not the mods, which i had that once on 2-3 plugins and Skyrim was fine, but its on all the plugins.

However i kind of fixed this problem, well not fixed just avoided it. I wanted a fresh game from the start do i didnt use any new life mods and stuff, so i started at Helgen, and it seems Skyrim doesnt like mods in Helgen. Therefore i just started the game at a random point, skipping Helgen and well everything is working fine. I noticed it because i first thought maybe some area in Helgen wasnt loading or something weird, so i TCL my way to the end but when the NPCs got to the same point in the quest - Crash.

So i guess i just cant start Skyrim from Helgen with all those mods, and i really wanted to do...

But oh well at least its working now.

Thanks anyways