need help with mod order (CTD's)

hentaishinri · January 22, 2014

Hello

so i recently updated a few mods and added ASIS

and ever since that I've been getting random crashes.

Skyrim was working fine up until then.

And on my wrye bash i get this

http://i.imgur.com/ftRJfOb.png

but when I run BOSS it says that everything is ok.
Since I know that BOSS can't always be trusted 100% i wanted to ask what's wrong with my mod order, what's causing things to crash?

Here is my BOSS log, thanks in advance.

Skyrim.esm Active
Update.esm Active
- Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}
- Contains dirty edits: 92 ITM, 3 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.
Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp Active
- Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev, Stats}}
Dawnguard.esm Active
- Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}
Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp Active
- Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev, Stats}}
HearthFires.esm Active
- Contains dirty edits: 184 ITM, 11 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.
Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp Active
Dragonborn.esm Active
Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp Active
- Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Stats}}
ApachiiHair.esm Active
Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm Active
JSwords.esm Active
moonpath.esm Active
- Contains dirty edits: 1 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.
SPIKE.esm Active
Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp Active
- Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Stats}}
Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp Active
- Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev, Stats}}
Better Dynamic Snow.esp Active
AOS.esp Active
- Note: See also AOS compatibility patches page on Nexus.
AOS_DGDB Patch.esp Active
Improved Combat Sounds v2.2.esp Active
AOS_ICS Patch.esp Active
realrain.esp Active
FantasySoundtrackProject.esp Active
FantasySoundtrackProjectCombatMusic.esp Active
Auto Unequip Ammo.esp Active
Dead Body Collision.esp Active
Dual Sheath Redux.esp Active
- Requires: Java Runtime Environment 7 update 17+
Populated Dungeons Caves Ruins.esp Active
Populated Forts Towers Places.esp Active
Populated Lands Roads Paths.esp Active
Radiant and Unique Potions Poisons and BOOZE.esp Active
Real Clouds.esp Active
Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp Active
- Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}
Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp Active
- Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}
JSwords_Load_Screens.esp Active
RaceMenu.esp Active
RaceMenuPlugin.esp Active
- Note: RaceMenuPlugin is optional and provides support to alter Height, Breast, Glute and Biceps. If you experience issues with it, disable RaceMenuPlugin.esp and inform the author.
SkyUI.esp Active
iHUD.esp Active
TakeNotes.esp Active
AMB Glass Variants Lore.esp Active
- Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}
Cloaks.esp Active
Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp Active
1nivWICCloaks.esp Active
- Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Relev}}
1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp Active
Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp Active
- Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}
Immersive Weapons.esp Active
- Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}
JSwordsDistributionBalancePlugin.esp Active
- Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}
Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.esp Active
DeadlyDragons.esp Active
- Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}
SkyRe_Main.esp Active
- Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Relev, Delev}}
- Note: If lockpicking is not work then try to delete 'interface\lockpickingmenu.swf'.
- Note: If you have a problem with aiming try to install this mod.
- Note: To make aiming easier add the following lines to Skyrim.ini:
- Note: [Actor]
- Note: fVisibleNavmeshMoveDist=12288.0000
- Note: [Combat]
- Note: f1PArrowTiltUpAngle=0.64
- Note: f3PArrowTiltUpAngle=0.64
- Note: fMagnetismStrafeHeadingMult=0.0
- Note: fMagnetismLookingMult=0.0
SkyRe_Combat.esp Active
SkyRe_EncounterZones.esp Active
SkyRe_EnemyScaling.esp Active
- Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Relev}}
SkyRe_StandingStones.esp Active
SkyRe_SIC Crossbowfix.esp Active
Inconsequential NPCs.esp Active
moonpath_questdata.esp Active
- Contains dirty edits: 1 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.
Run For Your Lives.esp Active
The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp Active
Babette.esp Active
- Contains dirty edits: 8 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.
Book Covers Skyrim.esp Active
Book Covers Dawnguard.esp Active
Book Covers Hearthfire.esp Active
Book Covers Dragonborn.esp Active
Differently Ebony.esp Active
Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp Active
- Note: Do not clean. "Dirty" edits are intentional and required for the mod to function.
Headtracking.esp Active
Rebirth Monster.esp Active
- Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}
dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp Active
- Requires: 0 Dragonborn-Dawnguard_Compatibility Patch \ Dawnguard + Dragonborn.
dD-DG-DB-Immersive Creatures EBT Patch.esp Active
EnhancedBlood-ImprovedCombatSounds.esp Active
AOS_EBT Patch.esp Active
TheChoiceIsYours.esp Active
TheChoiceIsYours_Dawnguard.esp Active
aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp Active
Populated Cities 2.esp Active
- Contains dirty edits: 59 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.
SoS - The Dungeons.esp Active
- Note: Do not use the Crash Fix ESP for this mod. It is flagged as a master and is only meant as a last resort for fixing crashes.
SoS - The Wilds.esp Active
- Note: Do not use the Crash Fix ESP for this mod. It is flagged as a master and is only meant as a last resort for fixing crashes.
SoS - Civilization.esp Active
- Note: Do not use the Crash Fix ESP for this mod. It is flagged as a master and is only meant as a last resort for fixing crashes.
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dungeons.esp Active
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dawnguard Interiors.esp Active
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Exteriors.esp Active
- Contains dirty edits: 2 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Interiors.esp Active
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Minor Cities and Town Interiors.esp Active
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Weathers.esp Active
RLO - Adaptive Interiors Vanilla Weathers Patch.esp Active
SoS - The Dungeons-PatchRLODungeons.esp Active
SoS - The Dungeons-PatchRLOMajorCityInteriors.esp Active
AOS_SoS-Wilds Patch.esp Active
AOS_SoS-Civ Patch.esp Active
SoS - Civilization-PatchRLOMajorCityInteriors.esp Active
SoS - Civilization-PatchRLOMinorCities.esp Active
Predator Vision.esp Active
BFSEffects.esp Active
dovahkiinrelax.esp Active
ShowRaceMenuAlternative.esp Active
Duel - Combat Realism.esp Active
DragonCombatOverhaulDragonborn.esp Active
AOS_DCOd Patch.esp Active
The Dance of Death - Ultimate Edition.esp Active
- Contains dirty edits: 1 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.
TheEyesOfBeauty.esp Active
The Eyes Of Beauty - Elves Edition.esp Active
mjhKhajiitSpeak.esp Active
- Note: This mod overwrites all dialogue enable only when playing Khajiit.
mjhKhajiitSpeakDLC - Dawnguard.esp Active
- Note: This mod overwrites all dialogue enable only when playing Khajiit.
mjhKhajiitSpeakDLC - Dragonborn.esp Active
mjhKhajiitSpeakExtra - Ohmes-Raht.esp Active
- Note: Use only one KhajiitSpeakExtra esp.
mjhKhajiitSpeakMod - Inconsequential NPCs.esp Active
mjhKhajiitSpeakMod - Moonpath.esp Active
mjhKhajiitSpeakMod - The Choice Is Yours.esp Active
mjhKhajiitSpeakMod - The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp Active
dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp Active
- Note: Ragdolls will conflict with other mods that change the skeleton.nif. Check Custom Skeleton Replacers for compatibly with other skeleton.nif.
SkyRe_Races.esp Active
WATER.esp Active
WATER Plants.esp Active
WATER DG.esp Active
WATER DB Waves.esp Active
GreenWaterFix_v2withDawnguard.esp Active
Bashed Patch, 0.esp Active
Pre Automatic Variants IC Patch.esp Active
ASIS-Dependency.esp Active
PreASISPatchIW.esp Active
ASIS.esp Active
Dual Sheath Redux Patch.esp Active
Pre ReProccer WA Fixes IW aMidianSS IA Patch.esp Active
ReProccer.esp Active
SkyRe_EnemyAI.esp Active
- Note: Deactivate 'SkyRe_EnemyAI.esp' before creation of ASIS patch and activate only after creation of ASIS patch.
qotsafans Miscellaneous ReProccer + IA Patch.esp Active
qotsafans LeveledLists JSwords IW IA Patch.esp Active
qotsafans Books + Book Covers Skyrim HF Patch.esp Active
qotsafans Ingestibles + Radiant Potions + Unique Booze HF Patch.esp Active
AOS_CTD_Fix.esp Active

my unrecognized plugins:

Rebirth Monster - SIC Patch.esp Active
BCS - SkyRe Patch.esp Active
TCIY-BCS Patch.esp Active
CCO_SIC_Patch.esp Active
Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp Active
ElementalArrows.esp Active

also: I do understand that some mods are dirty but I'm afraid to clean them since sometimes cleaning only makes it worse, but if you think I should I will give it a shot.

banjo2E · January 22, 2014

Well, first off, the bashed patch should be below everything except the plugins specifically designated to come after it. You should move your unrecognized plugins to just above it, if nothing else.

The orange checkboxes mean that the files the plugin depends on aren't in the order the plugin expects them. You'd have to either re-sort their parent plugins to match or use the "Sort Masters" function of TES5Edit to fix that.

Beyond that, I don't know much about the mods you're using and can't say what could be causing your CTDs, other than the obvious "updating or removing plugins mid-game can mess up your saves" and "using too many plugins causes instability".

Edited January 22, 2014 by banjo2E

hentaishinri · January 22, 2014

OH the bashed patch haha okay ^^

and thank you, the "sort masters" worked perfectly :smile:

i will put bashed on bottom now and try it again, thanks for replying so fast :smile:

edit: i haven't edited any plugins, i updated one or two at the most.

over all i have only added new mods since the beginning of the game, i haven't removed/changed any (i learned my lesson not to remove mods that rely on script haha)

edit 2: I just found out that I get a crash every time I open the Kyr's Bounty item? wtf?

here is my new mod order log

Skyrim.esm Active
Update.esm Active
- Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}
- Contains dirty edits: 92 ITM, 3 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.
Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp Active
- Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev, Stats}}
Dawnguard.esm Active
- Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}
Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp Active
- Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev, Stats}}
HearthFires.esm Active
- Contains dirty edits: 184 ITM, 11 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.
Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp Active
Dragonborn.esm Active
Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp Active
- Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Stats}}
ApachiiHair.esm Active
Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm Active
JSwords.esm Active
moonpath.esm Active
- Contains dirty edits: 1 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.
SPIKE.esm Active
Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp Active
- Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Stats}}
Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp Active
- Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev, Stats}}
Better Dynamic Snow.esp Active
AOS.esp Active
- Note: See also AOS compatibility patches page on Nexus.
AOS_DGDB Patch.esp Active
Improved Combat Sounds v2.2.esp Active
AOS_ICS Patch.esp Active
realrain.esp Active
FantasySoundtrackProject.esp Active
FantasySoundtrackProjectCombatMusic.esp Active
Auto Unequip Ammo.esp Active
Dead Body Collision.esp Active
Dual Sheath Redux.esp Active
- Requires: Java Runtime Environment 7 update 17+
Populated Dungeons Caves Ruins.esp Active
Populated Forts Towers Places.esp Active
Populated Lands Roads Paths.esp Active
Radiant and Unique Potions Poisons and BOOZE.esp Active
Real Clouds.esp Active
Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp Active
- Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}
Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp Active
- Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}
JSwords_Load_Screens.esp Active
RaceMenu.esp Active
RaceMenuPlugin.esp Active
- Note: RaceMenuPlugin is optional and provides support to alter Height, Breast, Glute and Biceps. If you experience issues with it, disable RaceMenuPlugin.esp and inform the author.
SkyUI.esp Active
iHUD.esp Active
TakeNotes.esp Active
AMB Glass Variants Lore.esp Active
- Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}
Cloaks.esp Active
Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp Active
1nivWICCloaks.esp Active
- Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Relev}}
1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp Active
Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp Active
- Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}
Immersive Weapons.esp Active
- Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}
JSwordsDistributionBalancePlugin.esp Active
- Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}
Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.esp Active
DeadlyDragons.esp Active
- Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}
SkyRe_Main.esp Active
- Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Relev, Delev}}
- Note: If lockpicking is not work then try to delete 'interface\lockpickingmenu.swf'.
- Note: If you have a problem with aiming try to install this mod.
- Note: To make aiming easier add the following lines to Skyrim.ini:
- Note: [Actor]
- Note: fVisibleNavmeshMoveDist=12288.0000
- Note: [Combat]
- Note: f1PArrowTiltUpAngle=0.64
- Note: f3PArrowTiltUpAngle=0.64
- Note: fMagnetismStrafeHeadingMult=0.0
- Note: fMagnetismLookingMult=0.0
SkyRe_Combat.esp Active
SkyRe_EncounterZones.esp Active
SkyRe_EnemyScaling.esp Active
- Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Relev}}
SkyRe_StandingStones.esp Active
SkyRe_SIC Crossbowfix.esp Active
Inconsequential NPCs.esp Active
moonpath_questdata.esp Active
- Contains dirty edits: 1 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.
Run For Your Lives.esp Active
The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp Active
Babette.esp Active
- Contains dirty edits: 8 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.
Book Covers Skyrim.esp Active
Book Covers Dawnguard.esp Active
Book Covers Hearthfire.esp Active
Book Covers Dragonborn.esp Active
Differently Ebony.esp Active
Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp Active
- Note: Do not clean. "Dirty" edits are intentional and required for the mod to function.
Headtracking.esp Active
Rebirth Monster.esp Active
- Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}
dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp Active
- Requires: 0 Dragonborn-Dawnguard_Compatibility Patch \ Dawnguard + Dragonborn.
dD-DG-DB-Immersive Creatures EBT Patch.esp Active
EnhancedBlood-ImprovedCombatSounds.esp Active
AOS_EBT Patch.esp Active
TheChoiceIsYours.esp Active
TheChoiceIsYours_Dawnguard.esp Active
aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp Active
Populated Cities 2.esp Active
- Contains dirty edits: 59 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.
SoS - The Dungeons.esp Active
- Note: Do not use the Crash Fix ESP for this mod. It is flagged as a master and is only meant as a last resort for fixing crashes.
SoS - The Wilds.esp Active
- Note: Do not use the Crash Fix ESP for this mod. It is flagged as a master and is only meant as a last resort for fixing crashes.
SoS - Civilization.esp Active
- Note: Do not use the Crash Fix ESP for this mod. It is flagged as a master and is only meant as a last resort for fixing crashes.
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dungeons.esp Active
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dawnguard Interiors.esp Active
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Exteriors.esp Active
- Contains dirty edits: 2 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Interiors.esp Active
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Minor Cities and Town Interiors.esp Active
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Weathers.esp Active
RLO - Adaptive Interiors Vanilla Weathers Patch.esp Active
SoS - The Dungeons-PatchRLODungeons.esp Active
SoS - The Dungeons-PatchRLOMajorCityInteriors.esp Active
AOS_SoS-Wilds Patch.esp Active
AOS_SoS-Civ Patch.esp Active
SoS - Civilization-PatchRLOMajorCityInteriors.esp Active
SoS - Civilization-PatchRLOMinorCities.esp Active
Predator Vision.esp Active
BFSEffects.esp Active
dovahkiinrelax.esp Active
ShowRaceMenuAlternative.esp Active
Duel - Combat Realism.esp Active
DragonCombatOverhaulDragonborn.esp Active
AOS_DCOd Patch.esp Active
The Dance of Death - Ultimate Edition.esp Active
- Contains dirty edits: 1 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.
TheEyesOfBeauty.esp Active
The Eyes Of Beauty - Elves Edition.esp Active
mjhKhajiitSpeak.esp Active
- Note: This mod overwrites all dialogue enable only when playing Khajiit.
mjhKhajiitSpeakDLC - Dawnguard.esp Active
- Note: This mod overwrites all dialogue enable only when playing Khajiit.
mjhKhajiitSpeakDLC - Dragonborn.esp Active
mjhKhajiitSpeakExtra - Ohmes-Raht.esp Active
- Note: Use only one KhajiitSpeakExtra esp.
mjhKhajiitSpeakMod - Inconsequential NPCs.esp Active
mjhKhajiitSpeakMod - Moonpath.esp Active
mjhKhajiitSpeakMod - The Choice Is Yours.esp Active
mjhKhajiitSpeakMod - The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp Active
dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp Active
- Note: Ragdolls will conflict with other mods that change the skeleton.nif. Check Custom Skeleton Replacers for compatibly with other skeleton.nif.
SkyRe_Races.esp Active
WATER.esp Active
WATER Plants.esp Active
WATER DG.esp Active
WATER DB Waves.esp Active
GreenWaterFix_v2withDawnguard.esp Active
Bashed Patch, 0.esp Active
Pre Automatic Variants IC Patch.esp Active
ASIS-Dependency.esp Active
PreASISPatchIW.esp Active
ASIS.esp Active
Dual Sheath Redux Patch.esp Active
Pre ReProccer WA Fixes IW aMidianSS IA Patch.esp Active
ReProccer.esp Active
SkyRe_EnemyAI.esp Active
- Note: Deactivate 'SkyRe_EnemyAI.esp' before creation of ASIS patch and activate only after creation of ASIS patch.
qotsafans Miscellaneous ReProccer + IA Patch.esp Active
qotsafans LeveledLists JSwords IW IA Patch.esp Active
qotsafans Books + Book Covers Skyrim HF Patch.esp Active
qotsafans Ingestibles + Radiant Potions + Unique Booze HF Patch.esp Active
AOS_CTD_Fix.esp Active

and my unrecognized plugins

Rebirth Monster - SIC Patch.esp Active
BCS - SkyRe Patch.esp Active
TCIY-BCS Patch.esp Active
CCO_SIC_Patch.esp Active
Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp Active
ElementalArrows.esp Active

i tried searching for something similar, but i found nothing...

Edited January 22, 2014 by hentaishinri

Jeir · January 22, 2014

Clean the dirty mods - in my experience, they only improve matters, not make them worse. Do a Google search for 'Jeir tes5edit' to find my condensed version of the cleaning guide.

You should only have Moonpath and related plugins active when you're actually playing it, and to disable them after. It's a huge mod, and is known to cause issues if you run it all the time.

Bashed patch belongs before the Reproccer.esp, so let BOSS move it, as it's correct.

hentaishinri · January 22, 2014

Clean the dirty mods - in my experience, they only improve matters, not make them worse. Do a Google search for 'Jeir tes5edit' to find my condensed version of the cleaning guide.

You should only have Moonpath and related plugins active when you're actually playing it, and to disable them after. It's a huge mod, and is known to cause issues if you run it all the time.

Bashed patch belongs before the Reproccer.esp, so let BOSS move it, as it's correct.

but if i disable moonpath won't there be a loss of scripts in the saves?

and sure i will clean everything ^^

also should i let boss place bashed patch whereever it wants, or only before reproccer.esp?

Edited January 22, 2014 by hentaishinri

Jeir · January 22, 2014

I've never played Moonpath, but pretty much every time it comes up in someone's BOSS log when someone's posting about issues, they always get told to only have it activated when playing it, not before and not after. So, I would assume it would be safe enough to do as recommended.

In my experience, BOSS has only ever been wrong about cosmetic mods in my load order (putting them before AFT, EEO etc.), and I have a pretty stable game.

hentaishinri · January 22, 2014

I've never played Moonpath, but pretty much every time it comes up in someone's BOSS log when someone's posting about issues, they always get told to only have it activated when playing it, not before and not after. So, I would assume it would be safe enough to do as recommended.

In my experience, BOSS has only ever been wrong about cosmetic mods in my load order (putting them before AFT, EEO etc.), and I have a pretty stable game.

what if I reload an older safe where, while it's still activated, i haven't started the quest? I activated it ever since i left Helgen and played a few days without following the quest, i just started following it yesterday... if I reload older saves where I didn't go there and get all the items and stuff will it be safer, or is it just the same? (I don't know why I assume you might know, though, I'm just looking for the safest way to do it, don't feel like starting a new game xD)

as for cosmetic mods - I'm not sure what you mean :/

Jeir · January 22, 2014

If you've started the quest, then continue with it, and deactivate Moonpath after. Better to deactivate stuff before you begin anything.

Cosmetic mods are mods that change an NPC's hair, makeup, warpaint, face shape...or all the above. They need to go below mods like AFT and EEO, else those mods may overwrite them, but BOSS puts pretty much all of the ones I've installed above those mods.

hentaishinri · January 22, 2014

If you've started the quest, then continue with it, and deactivate Moonpath after. Better to deactivate stuff before you begin anything.

Cosmetic mods are mods that change an NPC's hair, makeup, warpaint, face shape...or all the above. They need to go below mods like AFT and EEO, else those mods may overwrite them, but BOSS puts pretty much all of the ones I've installed above those mods.

so you're suggesting that it's better i don't load the older save, even though I haven't followed the quest? I mean, sure, I will do it, but that confuses me a little xD

And I see... isn't EEO cosmetic as well?

Edited January 22, 2014 by hentaishinri

Jeir · January 22, 2014

You said you had started it. If you haven't, then deactivate it and reactivate it when you do want to play Moonpath.

EEO affects all elves, and thus if I put the cosmetic mods I have that affect single NPCs before it, it will overwrite them and cause some issues. By putting them after, they overwrite EEO and I get the NPC appearances I want.

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