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[Dark0ne]

Since the rule changes introduced on May 1st there has been some confusion about what is and isn’t acceptable within the normal Image Share section that everyone can access. This confusion is mostly down to me not coming down hard enough on exactly what is an isn’t acceptable; I failed at taking a more democratic approach in an attempt to receive less flak and it back-fired, so sorry about that. Next time I’ll just come straight out with it!


No nudity

I am going to amend the rules accordingly and apply a complete “no nudity” clause on the normal Image Share section. As a side note the Supporter Image Share section is unaffected by this change and if you use this section then you need not worry. “No nudity” includes boobs and genitalia as well as visible pubic hair in the genitalia area. Once again these rules apply from this date (28th of June) onwards. A few people have been banned recently for various offenses based on the loose rules applied at the start of May and as a show of good faith I am going to unban those accounts that were banned for uploading nudity in the Image Share section. If you haven’t been unbanned by the 29th of June then get in contact with me via the site contact forms and let me know your account username so I can explore it.

Many people are perplexed by my decision to stop these images from being uploaded for everyone to view, it’s understandable. I’ve turned a blind-eye to a lot of the content in the Image Share section since it’s very start. There’s lots of great stuff, and lots of not so great stuff. Image after image of the same characters doing the same nude poses from different angles with different lighting is my idea of the not so great stuff. I don’t care for it and quite frankly I don’t want to be hosting it on my servers. Yes, there’s an adult-only content filter (that some have just taken to mean “nude content” filter) but adult-only content is more than just nudity. It’s excessive gore, it’s risque comic-strips, it’s pictures of characters wearing the skimpiest outfits possible without breaking the rules. It’s basically everything you wouldn’t want to have your boss catching you looking through at work.

As far as nude mods go; I use them. It’s been a while since I actually played Oblivion but I enjoyed my own childish humour of stripping NPCs naked who’ve annoyed me/gotten in my way and dragging them out in the street for all to see. Hey, we all have our own little quirks, right? That doesn’t mean I get my rocks off to nude content or that I endorse graphic pictures of NPCs doing all sorts of poses and sex positions. You might like that, you might just like setting up the angles and lighting, I don’t know and I honestly don’t care. We all have our own fantasies and idiosyncrasies but it’s not my wish, desire or obligation to offer a platform for others to explore them. My wish is to run a network of sites on my own terms. A network I’m proud of and one that I can share with my family, friends and the greater community.

This is about more than just censoring stuff for minors or it all being acceptable because they are games rated "Mature" for adults. It's about what I personally am willing to host and not host in the Image Share section and this is where I have drawn the line. You might not like it, or agree with it, but this is my sentiment and my own opinion.

So what is and isn’t acceptable? To aid in better understanding the rules I’m going to use examples from the Image Share section of what is and isn’t acceptable, as well as what content should be marked as adult-only content. Pictures were selected by me and I'm not attempting to single-out anyone. Some members are very good at marking their content as adult-only and I thank them for that.


Unacceptable content

Pose not allowed due to having a see-through top

Pose not allowed for visible breasts

Another pose disallowed for having visible breasts

Disallowed pose for having visible pubic hair around the bikini bottoms. This picture would be perfectly acceptable if it didn't have the pubic hair



Acceptable with adult-only filter turned on

Border-line pose that, while showing nipples, is covered up

Gory combat shot that should be marked as adult-only as a courtesy to people browsing at work/around kids at home

Same as above

Same as above

Acceptable with adult-only content filter, but less clothing on the breasts or a shot that contained more of the lower body and it probably wouldn't be (I assume there would be hair showing)


Hopefully this should help to clear up the confusion regarding the rule changes in the Image Share section and the sort of things you should be marking as adult-only if you're an image uploader.

I would just like to add a further note to the bottom of this article and say that I'm aware of the ethical, philosophical, sociological and pyschology matters around this subject. Yes, I'm allowing violence and not nudity. I'm aware of the irony in the taboo. I took an A Level in Philosophy when I was 18 and took further psychology, sociology and philosophy modules at university and have debated the subject many times with my peers and lecturers in various capacities. I have considered all the views, both my own and as devil's advocate in making this decision.

[_frost_]

That's the reason? Your family and friends[?!] - I mean you're ashamed of some of our uploaded pictures?
K, it's your site but regardless of this;

I can't understand why that :
http://www.fallout3n...-1275166012.jpg
is allowed and this :
http://www.tesnexus....-1267223889.jpg
is not allowed.

It's very strange Dark0ne.
But it's perhaps the hmm american way[...]. (yes I know you're from UK, but you know what I mean.)


_frost_

[AlienSlof]

I don't really understand it either. Never have figured out why violence is fine, but a bit of skin isn't. What a silly, twisted world we live in.

[frobac]

Ouch. Sorry, everyone - Iooks like I've got a few edits to do. Thanks for the clarification.

[ub3rman123]

I can't understand why that :
http://www.fallout3n...-1275166012.jpg
is allowed and this :
http://www.tesnexus....-1267223889.jpg
is not allowed.

It's very strange Dark0ne.
But it's perhaps the hmm american way[...]. (yes I know you're from UK, but you know what I mean.)


_frost_

I think it's because at least then it's contained to one file. If we had thousands of what are essentially porn mods on the Nexus, no doubt there'd have to be some weeding in there. The problem with the images section I encountered was that you couldn't get through all the sexy pictures to see something innovative or unique. The files section hasn't gotten there yet.

[Pushkatu]

Well, I am glad this has been solved once and for all and I hope that I won't be seeing any of my friends banned in the future . I will miss having "more diversity" if I can use this expresion, but at least now there will be more room for scenics(yeah right ). I think sharing our characters is a nice thing and it will only bring us closer to each other. There is diversity even in adult screenshots, becouse every character is unique and even if they use the same poses and clothes, even if we have seen our characters neer the IC towers a million times, each shot has something special and once you get to know the people who upload thier screenshots it's even easier to know the difference between their style and what they like to share. I agree there are tons of screenshots that have nothing artistic in them and even if sometimes I try to find something nice in them there simply is nothing. After saving thousands for my personal collection I can recognize what I like without even opening the image to enlarge it, most of the time. Rules are rules and if you consider that these changes are necesary than so be it, I trust your judgement. I don't usualy involve in site affairs when it comes to rules and such, but I think the Image Share is my real home here at Nexus and it's the place where I spend most of my time when I'm online. I'm not much of a modder or that good with technical stuff so you won't be seeing me giving people advices about that, except mayby when it happened to me and I know how to fix it, but I do love art, any kind so I just felt I should say something since I am sort of a site clown most of the time, confusing people with my bad jokes.
So my beloved image uploaders, yeah rules have changed, but I hope to see more from you becouse my collection even at this point is still not complete.

I know few will bother to read this, but if you do at least you know that I think you guys are cool. I normaly don't post such long posts, cuz you know due to my heavy beer drinking habbit I have a short time memory and I forget what I want to say if it's a "big idea". Fufu knows what I'm talking about.


Cheers,
Pushkatu!

[UK47]

I can't understand why that :
http://www.fallout3n...-1275166012.jpg

Breast!

http://www.tesnexus.com/imageshare/images/980196-1267223889.jpg

Gore!
Edit, I didn't get your question properly.

[roquefort]

The problem with the images section I encountered was that you couldn't get through all the sexy pictures to see something innovative or unique. (ub3rman123)

I think that's a fair point. I'm not sure that any simple rules, such as no bare boobs/pubes, can make much of a difference in that department though, in this or any other image-share website.

If the underlying concern that gave rise to this ruling was a shortage of innovative and/or unique work, rather than a perceived excess of (for want of a better description) artless vulgarity (which is not intended as a put-down on all nudity posted by any means), then I can't see it making much difference. Just putting skimpy clothes on them isn't a solution in itself, although I can't think what might be, other than some sort of adjudication system, which would just be totally OTT on a site like this.

Anyway at least the rules are much clearer now, so to Dark0ne for giving it some thought.

[_frost_]

My wish is to run a network of sites on my own terms. A network I’m proud of and one that I can share with my family, friends.

I have considered all the views, both my own and as devil's advocate in making this decision.

There's nothing more to say than that.


_frost_

P.S.

I don't really understand it either. Never have figured out why violence is fine, but a bit of skin isn't. What a silly, twisted world we live in.

Thanks for your comment AlienSlof :].

[Vagrant0]

That's the reason? Your family and friends[?!] - I mean you're ashamed of some of our uploaded pictures?
K, it's your site but regardless of this;

I can't understand why that :
http://www.fallout3n...-1275166012.jpg
is allowed and this :
http://www.tesnexus....-1267223889.jpg
is not allowed.

It's very strange Dark0ne.
But it's perhaps the hmm american way[...]. (yes I know you're from UK, but you know what I mean.)


_frost_

Although I have been seen as being a bit on the conservative side, I actually don't see a problem with either image. While the breasts are visible, it's not particularly clear if it's just the way that lighting and normal maps are working on the texture, or if it's something that is outright transparent. I'd be tempted to argue that as long as you aren't seeing exposed and clear nudity, the adult filter is good enough, if only to make this sort of thing easier to moderate without having to squint and stare at an image for hours to see if possibly there are few pixels which show a hint of aureole... same with pubic hair. The adult "NSFW" tag should be enough to make it clear that the image shows some hint of questionable content without making all this more complicated than it needs to be.