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The mods are, themselves different from the image section, and are generally useless unless you're playing the game in question. The image share however has, almost since its creation essentially been a porn-share service that has been plagued with and endless stream of topless women in various poses. As the image share section can also be seen and used without the game running, and in some cases without even having claimed that you were over the age of 17/18, the rules had to change, both for the sake of the site, and for the sake of those who were using the image share for non-porn purposes, but who weren't being seen because they were quickly pushed back a few pages by someone uploading 15-20 nude images at once, of the same character, in roughly the same pose, just with a different angle and lighting.

The mod section of the site will likely never be restricted in such a manner since this would likely cause both legal issues as well as some rather aggressive outcry from the modders of this community for having their work behind some payed service. In this case, you are jumping to conclusions and totally missing the point. If somewhat explicit mods were seen as a real problem, they would (and some have) be removed from the site and have any mention of them be banned due to their content. But again, doing this on any large scale would cause more problems than it would solve since it would alienate many modders, including a few staff members, as well require considerable time and resources spent in trying to enforce such a policy.


But how is that really different? Owning Oblivion doesn't mean you are 18+ or older. I understand that the quality of most nude pics is mediocre at best, but there are many useless mods cluttering TESnexus as well (I'm speaking of the 500th "enables you to play as dremora" or the 1000th "lol i haz made god weaponzz" which require at most 5 minutes work in the CS).

As I said, I don't really understand the reasons. It seems it's a mix of "I don't want porn on my site", "I couldn't show the image section to my family or friends because of all that nudity/porn, would be to embarassing" and "Most of these pics are crap anyway". But on the other hand it's not really important if I understand your decision or not, It's neither my site nor do I have a say in that matter. But I do find it indeed kinda disturbing that explicit violence is allowed. When I was a kid myself violent images always had a greater (negative) impact on me than a boob or two. And those "ZOMG VIOLENCE!!11eleven" screens are on par with the crappy nude pics. But oh well, it's getting late and I should go to sleep.

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I think that people have the freedom they deserve. I do not like this restrictions, but I suport them, I hate this "nude model" pics.

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for the sake of those who were using the image share for non-porn purposes, but who weren't being seen because they were quickly pushed back a few pages by someone uploading 15-20 nude images at once, of the same character, in roughly the same pose, just with a different angle and lighting.


But isn't that why the 5 images per day rule was instated?

Also, take a look at the Supporter side. It's a ghost town. The interest clearly wasn't that great.

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I suppose it should be reminded that arguing the issue won't make it better. Decisions have been made, and they are rather final. Trying to see just how much you can get away with as an act of protest is also not suggested.

Edited by Vagrant0, 03 July 2010 - 09:06 AM.


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Thankyou! I've been waiting for this since I first stumbled into the imageshare section and swiftly backed out of it. Perhaps now the more tasteful images can be viewed without having to sift through loads of naked elf chicks.

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I suppose it should be reminded that arguing the issue won't make it better. Decisions have been made, and they are rather final. Trying to see just how much you can get away with as an act of protest is also not suggested.


Then you should've locked the thread at the very beginning. If you don't want a discussion, don't open a topic where everyone and their dog can post. It's obvious that some people will always disagree with a decision.

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I suppose it should be reminded that arguing the issue won't make it better. Decisions have been made, and they are rather final. Trying to see just how much you can get away with as an act of protest is also not suggested.


Then you should've locked the thread at the very beginning. If you don't want a discussion, don't open a topic where everyone and their dog can post. It's obvious that some people will always disagree with a decision.

The topic is open for discussion and questions related to the news thread. There is a difference between discussion and arguing against the logic or reasons behind the rule from one standpoint or another. The more recent parts of the discussion have mirrored some of the debate threads where the key strategy is to systematically scour every opposing post for some bit of weakness, then bring up that weakness as some evidence that the whole idea is invalid both in purpose and implementation. I was merely reminding people that as far as site policy goes, the logic or reasons behind the policy are unimportant as the policy is absolute until the owner of the site decides otherwise. Dark0ne has already stated his reasons, and certainly has good backing for those reasons, even if they are not explained in detail. This is not a democracy, both you and I are allowed to occasionally voice an opinion, but ultimately it is Dark0ne's decision on the matter, and on this he seems confident enough in his decision that he would go through the trouble of setting up facilities for handling things which are not subject to this rule.

Given some of the comments here and a number of users who have been posting images in an attempt to protest the rule change by being just barely within the rules, being reminded that the rule is not up for negotiation is the most mutually beneficial way of solving these bits of rebellion. You don't like iron fist policy, we don't like iron fist policy, but this is where some persons seem intent on taking things. If possible, I'd like to see that eventuality avoided, but see it possibly only through acceptance. We accept that people will continually want to upload violent and sexually explicit images, and people should accept that there are places where it is and is not appropriate to have those images available. It's so simple, but so complicated.

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It's so simple, but so complicated.


That alone should be enough. You've pretty much touched all the sensible spots here that needed, let's say some extra information, even if it wasn't realy necesary, becouse last time I checked Dark0ne had a very fluid and very understandable English in his "pocket". Also we should be aware becouse we often forget this, that beeing a member of this community is a privilege and not a right. Vagrant0 was nice enough to take his time to explain this over and over again, even if I think that this is not part of his duties. It's our job to take into consideration the changes be it rules or something else and that's what it means to be a member of a community. It's like in real life. If you usualy buy bread from a certain store with a price, but one day you go to the store and find out it costs more, I guess you don't go to the vender and demand him an explanation for that.

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This is my last reply, if i place a picture of decaptited head from a person i just blew in game is that acceptable ??

Dark0ne atleast bann the decaptation too. It is unacctable to allow children too look at decapitation of persons head.


If you usualy buy bread from a certain store with a price, but one day you go to the store and find out it costs more, I guess you don't go to the vender and demand him an explanation for that.


I would go to another place where the price was lower.

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But isn't that why the 5 images per day rule was instated?


:ohmy: Really!? When did that happen?

Also, take a look at the Supporter side. It's a ghost town. The interest clearly wasn't that great.


Yeah... I was hoping with the new rule change a few people would switch over.... maybe add to it a little...




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