CapitalisticPig Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 (edited) One of the things Skyrim is lacking is moral choices. Not only is there few if any moral choices, but they are not rewarding if you pick the wrong one! The Dark Brotherhood is fun and rewarding, but if you go the alternate route where you take down the Dark Brotherhood... it's boring, unrealistic and... I guess 5000 gold is pretty cool. Then with the Thieves guild, you have no choice! And the Argonian in Solitude! AND THOSE ARE JUST SOME OF THE MISSING GOOD CHOICES What ever happened to being bad? Why is there bandits everywhere and unless you have 80 different mods, you can't be one of them? Why is it that when you are bad, the only thing you get is jail time, unless it happens to be a quest... Then if it is a quest, there is little to no risk! I doubt a fresh face who just made it to Skyrim with no training can join the Dark Brotherhood and literally get away with murder like it was nothing. The Dragonborn was never foretold as a hero. He was never told to be good or bad. His destiny was to slay Alduin. So why is it assumed that he has a good reason for doing so? ***Understand, these are just ideas to get the ball rolling. If anyone decides to take this mod seriously, I give you full permission to change it however you want, but it would be nice to have updates on how it is going and maybe even test it for you!*** In this mod, I would want to see many more opportunities to be bad or good in many different ranges and it should have an immediate effect and a long-term effect on the player. It should feature: A Karma or Morals system Immediate Effects should include gold and loot or blessings. Things of that nature.-Being bad should be the most rewarding generally for this- Long-Term effects should include permanent buffs, powers and such. Perhaps gaining health buff or a pray to Divines power.-Being good should be the most rewarding generally for this. In fact, being bad should have some negative consequences, unless Daedric Lords are watching your back. If you're going to be bad, do it right- Bad Choices Basic: Basically just generic NPCs that you can rob, kill or hold for ransom (assuming that is a viable option). Being able to sell Skooma and other such things. Moderate: Side quests (Two sided. You should be able to be good or bad). Laundering money. Collecting "Taxes" from businesses as seen in the Thieves guild quests and other such more rewarding bad guy things. High: Quest Lines, such as Thieves guild, Companions and even the main quest line. You should be able to be good or bad. Especially the main quest line. You should be able to end the story as a villain. (For example, perhaps you kill Alduin for an ultimate power. Perhaps for the Dark Brotherhood or a Daedric Lord.) Daedric quests should have much more effect. It feels like after you do their quest they disappear from the game. You should be able to worship them, sacrifice in their name and such things. *** It should be more rewarding to be a bad guy unless you are just really bad at.... being bad?*** Good Choices Basic: Those same NPCs should have the option to give money (assuming they need or even if they don't), escorted to safety, fed and watered, returning lost items and other such good deeds. It should also be more rewarding to not kill yielding NPCs. You should be able to inform guards of criminals or bring them in even. Perhaps only if you have a paralyzing spell or something. Other such things. Moderate: Side Quests... I really can't think of much for good guys. Maybe becoming Thane of a hold and adopting children assuming you have Hearthfire, I guess. High: Quest Lines. The Main Quest line already ends good, but still. Wouldn't hurt to have a few endings. Daedric Lords should not be able to be beaten, but there should be alternate quest lines. Perhaps, finding help in the Divines? Also, Divines should have more power. They do absolutely nothing in the game. It would be cool to have Divines quest, especially a Talos quest. However just general eccentric religious things would do.A few dialogue changes depending on your Karma Bartering prices somewhat influenced by Karma-Being good, gets better prices, being bad gets worse prices, being SCARY bad gets incredible prices- I think that's about it. If you have input post it! I hope everyone likes the idea or at least sees its potential. -New Thought-Good and Bad Skills Rituals = Bad (Would require animation and stuff, but able to preform rituals and rites for certain limited buffs and powers)Necromancy = Bad (Bring back the dead, obviously, but later on might even be able to revive self as lich once killed or something cool)Pickpocket = Generally Bad Restoration = GoodSpeech = Good (Generally) That sort of thing. Edited January 24, 2015 by CapitalisticPig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isilmore Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 It sounds like this could be the best mod ever.But a lot of work as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solstitial Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 I have to admit, I would love to be able to perform rituals or other forms of Daedric worship since my character I'm going to be making will most likely be a patron of Nocturne and/or Azura with the backstory I am coming up for them. But yeah, as isilmore said, this does look like a lot of work for one mod. But it would be pretty awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UltimatumDan Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 (edited) I know Fallout had a Karma system but I think that would be something more for factions and your rep with them. The being a bandit is already a mod and it's called Play as a Bandit mod (It's on the steam workshop, but the author has kindly put a google drive link for non-steam players) https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=480576460 it allows you to rob/ransom npcs etc. Zhakaron recently made a build called the Orsinium Outrider who's basically an a**hole on a horse so you can do that Hope that helps. Edited December 11, 2015 by UltimatumDan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stebbinsd Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 So basically, you're requesting a quest overhaul. Like SkyUI, only for quests, rather than gameplay. This would definitely be a group project. No one person - no matter how many college degrees they have - would ever be able to do all this singlehandedly. But, if any group of modders decide to take up this project, it would be awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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