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Hello!

I recently installed Skyrim again and tried to get into the modding scene this time. I've spent the last 2 days familiarizing myself with modding rules and basic principles and choosing about 30 mods that I want to use.

Now I've reached a critical point (of no return?) where I would need help from some experts. I've played around with LOOT and mod descriptions to achieve an optimal load order for my mods. The next step would be to create a bashed batch via Wrye Bash, after which I should (theoretically) be able to play the game.

I would like to receive some feedback on my load order. From what I have heard, after creating a bashed patch managing your load order becomes far more difficult, so I would have to finalize my load order at this point. If you can spot any fatal mistakes or non-optimal ordering, then I could really use some help! :smile:

 

A list of my mods; exported with NMM:

 

A Quality World Map and Solstheim Map - With Roads User interfaces 10.04.2015 17:54:42 8.4 8.4 IcePenguin Climates Of Tamriel - Weather - Lighting - Audio - Climates Of Tamriel - Dragonborn Patch Overhauls 11.04.2015 20:42:06 3.1 v3.1 JJC71 Climates Of Tamriel - Weather - Lighting - Audio - Climates Of Tamriel - Sounds Overhauls 11.04.2015 20:42:22 3.1 v3.1 JJC71 Climates Of Tamriel - Weather - Lighting - Audio - ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch Overhauls 11.04.2015 20:42:25 3.1 v3.1 JJC71 Climates Of Tamriel - Weather - Lighting - Audio - ClimatesOfTamriel-Sound-Dawnguard-Patch Overhauls 11.04.2015 21:15:15 3.1 v3.1 JJC71 Cloaks of Skyrim - Cloaks of Skyrim 1-2 Clothing 10.04.2015 20:13:07 1.2 1.2 Noodles Cloaks of Skyrim - Cloaks of Skyrim 1-2 Dawnguard Clothing 12.04.2015 17:09:51 1.2 1.2 Noodles Convenient Horses - Convenient Horses v5_0 Animals, creatures, mounts & horses 12.04.2015 15:55:46 5.0 5.0 Alek Dual Wield Blocking Animations - Dual Wield Blocking Animations Animation 12.04.2015 17:20:35 1.0 1.0 Daljo Dual Wield Parrying - 00 Dual Wield Parrying SKSE 3_1 beta Combat 12.04.2015 17:18:44 3.1b 3.1b Borgut1337 Enhanced Blood Textures Visuals and graphics 12.04.2015 12:24:35 3.6a 3.6a dDefinder Follower Commentary Overhaul - FCO - Follower Commentary Overhaul Immersion 10.04.2015 19:01:39 1.3 1.3 terzaerian Footprints - Footprints v1_00 - Legendary Visuals and graphics 12.04.2015 11:18:35 1.00 1.00 jonwd7 Frostfall - Hypothermia Camping Survival - Frostfall 2_6 Release Immersion 10.04.2015 18:46:25 2.6 2.6 Chesko Immersive Sounds - Compendium Audio, sounds and music 11.04.2015 21:22:33 1.12 1.12 lazygecko moreHUD - AHZmoreHUD_v2_1_3 User interfaces 10.04.2015 17:52:11 2.1.3 2.1.3 Ahzaab Morrowloot 4E Edition - Morrowloot 4E Edition Collectables, treasure hunts and puzzles 10.04.2015 18:52:00 v4.3 v4.3 Fuma Perkus Maximus - Maximum Perk Overhaul Overhauls 12.04.2015 21:50:19 1.2 1.2 T3nd0 PerMa Compatibility and PaMa Patches Patches 12.04.2015 21:54:33 1.2 2.6.1 Raulfin PerMa Compatibility and PaMa Patches Patches 12.04.2015 21:54:06 2.6.1 2.6.1 Raulfin PerMa Compatibility and PaMa Patches (PCaPP) - PerMa Survivalism Patches 12.04.2015 21:54:54 2.6.1 2.6.1 Raulfin Project Reality - Climates Of Tamriel-V3 Overhauls 10.04.2015 18:31:33 3.1 v3.1 JJC71 Pumping Iron - Dynamic Muscle Growth - Pumping Iron - Dynamic Muscle Growth v1_0_1 Immersion 10.04.2015 18:42:27 1.0.1 1.0.1 Gopher Real Shelter - Full Release - Real Shelter 1.4 Beta 4 - Install this 1st Immersion 10.04.2015 20:05:39 1.4b4 1.4b4 ThreeTen Real Shelter - Full Release - Real Shelter Patch Template - Beta 4 - Install 2nd Immersion 10.04.2015 20:06:32 1.4b4 1.4b4 ThreeTen Real Shelter-Frostfall Tents WIP - Frostfall Tents - .9a2 - No Small Tents Immersion 10.04.2015 20:12:46 0.9a2 0.9a2 ThreeTen Realistic Needs and Diseases Immersion 11.04.2015 13:29:27 1.9.10 1.9.10 perseid9 Skyrim - Enhanced Camera - Enhanced Camera Immersion 10.04.2015 19:54:54 1.1 1.1 LogicDragon SkyUI User interfaces 10.04.2015 17:51:44 4.1 4.1 SkyUI Team Ultimate Combat - Ultimate Combat Combat 12.04.2015 14:19:47 2.52 2.52 tktk Unofficial Dawnguard Patch - Unofficial Dawnguard Patch Patches 12.04.2015 15:55:11 2.1.1 2.1.1 Unofficial Patch Project Team Unofficial Dragonborn Patch - Unofficial Dragonborn Patch Patches 12.04.2015 15:55:16 2.1.1 2.1.1 Unofficial Patch Project Team Unofficial Hearthfire Patch - Unofficial Hearthfire Patch Patches 12.04.2015 15:55:21 2.1.1 2.1.1 Unofficial Patch Project Team Unofficial Morrowloot-Skyrim Overhaul - UMSO Ingredient Crafting Modular Add-On Overhauls 11.04.2015 20:43:00 v1.00 v1.50 Archiphres Unofficial Morrowloot-Skyrim Overhaul - Unofficial Morrowloot-Skyrim Overhaul Overhauls 10.04.2015 17:36:31 v1.50 v1.50 Archiphres Unofficial Skyrim Patch - Unofficial Skyrim Patch Patches 10.04.2015 19:47:31 2.1.1 2.1.1 Unofficial Patch Project Team Weapons and Armor Fixes Remade Bug fixes 12.04.2015 17:46:50 5.1 5.1 kryptopyr

 

 

 

 

 

My load order (I haven't created a bashed patch via Wrye Bash yet); exported with NMM:

 

 

GameMode=Skyrim
Skyrim.esm=1
Update.esm=1
Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp=1
Dawnguard.esm=1
Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp=1
HearthFires.esm=1
Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp=1
Dragonborn.esm=1
Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp=1
ClimatesOfTamriel.esm=1
HighResTexturePack01.esp=1
HighResTexturePack02.esp=1
HighResTexturePack03.esp=1
Chesko_Frostfall.esp=1
Footprints.esp=1
ClimatesOfTamriel-Sound.esp=1
ClimatesOfTamriel-Dungeons-Hazardous.esp=1
ClimatesOfTamriel-Interiors-Cold.esp=1
AHZmoreHUD.esp=1
Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp=1
Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp=1
dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp=1
dD-Reduced Wound Size.esp=1
Dual Wield Parrying_SKSE.esp=1
dD-Reduced Splatter Size.esp=1
ClimatesOfTamriel-Nights-Level-2.esp=1
FCO - Follower Commentary Overhaul.esp=1
Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp=1
Convenient Horses.esp=1
overhaul4E.esp=1
Morrowloot.esp=1
overhaul.esp=1
overhaulDG.esp=1
RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp=1
RND_USKP-Patch.esp=1
SkyUI.esp=1
RealShelter.esp=1
PerkusMaximus_Master.esp=1
PerkusMaximus_Warrior.esp=1
UltimateCombat.esp=1
PerkusMaximus_Thief.esp=1
PerMa Expansion 1 - Wintermyst.esp=1
PerkusMaximus_Mage.esp=1
Cloaks.esp=1
RND_HearthFires-Patch.esp=1
ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp=1
PerMa Fixes.esp=1
Pre PaMa WAFR Patch.esp=1
dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp=1
PerMa_USKP master patch.esp=1
RND_Dawnguard-Patch.esp=1
PumpingIron.esp=1
RealShelterFF.esp=1
RSPatch.esp=1
ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp=1
ClimatesOfTamriel-Sound-Dawnguard-Patch.esp=1
RND_AnimalLoot.esp=1
PerMa_Survivalism.esp=1
RND_Dragonborn-Patch.esp=1
UMSOingredientCrafting.esp=1
Weapons & Armor_TrueWeaponsLvlLists.esp=1
Bashed Patch, 0.esp=0
PatchusMaximus.esp=1

 

LOOT log from the same load order:

 

 

Summary
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  • Skyrim.esm
    CRC: C665FD56
  • Update.esm
    CRC: E5B67BDA
    C.Location, Delev, Invent, Relev
    • Warning: Contains 92 ITM records and 3 UDR records. Clean with TES5Edit.
  • Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp
    CRC: 26DD4BAD
    Version: 2.1.1
    C.Acoustic, C.Climate, C.Encounter, C.ImageSpace, C.Light, C.Location, C.Music, C.Name, C.Owner, C.Water, Delev, Graphics, Invent, Names, Relev, Sound, Stats
  • Dawnguard.esm
    CRC: BD72CCF3
    C.Location, Delev, Graphics, Invent, Names, Sound
    • Warning: Contains 619 ITM records, 82 UDR records and 57 deleted navmeshes. Clean with TES5Edit.
  • Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp
    CRC: 268672D7
    Version: 2.1.1
    C.Climate, C.Encounter, C.Location, C.Name, Delev, Graphics, Invent, Names, Sound, Stats
  • HearthFires.esm
    CRC: AF82CE6A
    C.Location, Graphics, Invent
    • Warning: Contains 184 ITM records, 11 UDR records and 5 deleted navmeshes. Clean with TES5Edit.
  • Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp
    CRC: F4095E63
    Version: 2.1.1
    C.Climate, C.Location, C.Owner, C.Water, Graphics, Invent, Names, Sound, Stats
  • Dragonborn.esm
    CRC: A9F83BFF
    C.Location, Graphics, Invent, Names
    • Warning: Contains 61 ITM records, 8 UDR records and 1 deleted navmeshes. Clean with TES5Edit.
  • Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp
    CRC: 188FB75D
    Version: 2.1.1
    C.Climate, C.Encounter, C.Location, C.Music, C.Name, Delev, Graphics, Invent, Names, Sound, Stats
  • ClimatesOfTamriel.esm
    CRC: 918881A7
    Version: 3.1
  • HighResTexturePack01.esp
    CRC: D596F02A
  • HighResTexturePack02.esp
    CRC: D596F02A
  • HighResTexturePack03.esp
    CRC: D596F02A
  • Chesko_Frostfall.esp
    CRC: E3704311
  • Footprints.esp
    CRC: E87C93C0
  • ClimatesOfTamriel-Sound.esp
    CRC: 75A1B6EA
    Version: 3.1
  • ClimatesOfTamriel-Dungeons-Hazardous.esp
    CRC: BDC66F4C
    Version: 3.1-
  • ClimatesOfTamriel-Interiors-Cold.esp
    CRC: 80B61351
    Version: 3.1-
  • AHZmoreHUD.esp
    CRC: D340E330
    Version: 2.1.3
  • Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp
    CRC: 56988D38
  • Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp
    CRC: B3E8C2E9
  • dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
    CRC: 4AAE4CD8
  • dD-Reduced Wound Size.esp
    CRC: 7DC9E4B1
  • Dual Wield Parrying_SKSE.esp
    CRC: 6C0E1257
    • Note: Use only one Dual Wield Parrying*.esp.
  • dD-Reduced Splatter Size.esp
    CRC: 8840345E
  • ClimatesOfTamriel-Nights-Level-2.esp
    CRC: EEF1ED74
    Version: 3.1
  • FCO - Follower Commentary Overhaul.esp
    CRC: EBD99340
  • Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp
    CRC: 1748CEDE
    Version: 5.1
    Delev, Names, Relev, Stats
  • Convenient Horses.esp
    CRC: A2C92D5C
    Version: 14950
    • Note: Do not clean. "Dirty" edits are intentional and required for the mod to function.
  • overhaul4E.esp
    CRC: BEDDA7D6
  • Morrowloot.esp
    CRC: 6851CEB
    Delev, Relev
    • Note: It is recommended to load morrowloot after any plugins that have a Relev tag which change the same leveled lists as morrowloot because they will re-add vanilla records removed by morrowloot.
  • overhaul.esp
    CRC: 10166AA
  • overhaulDG.esp
    CRC: C57577FC
  • RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp
    CRC: B74B21DA
    Delev, Relev
  • RND_USKP-Patch.esp
    CRC: FE81BA78
    Relev
  • SkyUI.esp
    CRC: 9330CAF7
    Version: 4.1
  • RealShelter.esp
    CRC: 90B240B9
  • PerkusMaximus_Master.esp
    CRC: 6D6DB61
    Names
  • PerkusMaximus_Warrior.esp
    CRC: 2C84E7CB
    Names
  • UltimateCombat.esp
    CRC: F0BA7120
  • PerkusMaximus_Thief.esp
    CRC: AFB15337
    Names, Stats
  • PerMa Expansion 1 - Wintermyst.esp
    CRC: AAF6D71C
  • PerkusMaximus_Mage.esp
    CRC: 2160D362
    Names
  • Cloaks.esp
    CRC: D8F94C02
    • Warning: Contains 2 ITM records. Clean with TES5Edit.
  • RND_HearthFires-Patch.esp
    CRC: E3E62E4
  • ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp
    CRC: 9FFF2A85
    Version: 3.1
  • PerMa Fixes.esp
    CRC: E1891AB6
  • Pre PaMa WAFR Patch.esp
    CRC: 24E2822A
    Names, Relev, Stats
  • dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp
    CRC: FB51E4FC
  • PerMa_USKP master patch.esp
    CRC: 30754793
  • RND_Dawnguard-Patch.esp
    CRC: A554A56D
  • PumpingIron.esp
    CRC: 3B6D5DAD
  • RealShelterFF.esp
    CRC: 37A864C4
  • RSPatch.esp
    CRC: 44567DB8
  • ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp
    CRC: 6DEDE258
    Version: 3.1
  • ClimatesOfTamriel-Sound-Dawnguard-Patch.esp
    CRC: DA95740E
  • RND_AnimalLoot.esp
    CRC: FE916A6E
  • PerMa_Survivalism.esp
    CRC: 5E2C3CF3
  • RND_Dragonborn-Patch.esp
    CRC: 72A698CB
  • UMSOingredientCrafting.esp
    CRC: 8C2DF603
  • Weapons & Armor_TrueWeaponsLvlLists.esp
    CRC: 42ABD2DE
    Version: 5.1
    Delev, Relev
  • Bashed Patch, 0.esp
    CRC: 2C5BA0DD
  • PatchusMaximus.esp
    CRC: 7C3C58EA
Version Information LOOT Version 0.6.1 Masterlist Updating Enabled Masterlist Revision faceeb210 Masterlist Date 2015-03-24
Plugin & Message Counts Active Plugins 62 Dirty Plugins 5 Total Plugins 63 Warnings 5 Errors 0 Total Messages 10
General Messages
Hide Version Numbers
Hide CRCs
Hide Bash Tag Suggestions
Hide Notes
Hide 'Do Not Clean' Messages
Hide Inactive Plugin Messages
Hide All Plugin Messages
Hide Messageless Plugins
Plugins hidden: 0 / 63
Messages hidden: 0 / 10

 

 

A couple points of interest and potential troublemakers:

  • I have currently forced LOOT through "Load Before" to order the "UMSO" plugins to be as close to the mod description as possible.
    UMSO's mod description states:

    Remember to load in this order:

    Frostfall (wilderness survival mod, would recommend)
    Morrowloot (this mod is an unofficial expansion to Morrowloot)
    Overhaul (main/dragonborn)
    OverhaulDG (dawnguard)
    UMSOperk
    UMSOsmithingPerkDescriptions
    UMSOingredientCrafting
    UMSOforts
    UMSOenchant
    Bashed Patch
    ASIS (should be used for improving AI and NPC potions *only* when combined with this mod, would recommend)

  • Perkus Maximum's (PerMa) mod description dictates the order of the mod's plugins somewhat vaguely. Because of that, it seems that corresponding plugins' ordering is all over the place as well.
    Perma's mod description (FAQ) states:

    The fake master: As early as possible.
    The patch: As late as possible.
    The small modules: In between; laster is usually better, unless you want to override certain features. But that is for you to figure out.
    Wintermyst: Before PerkusMaximus_Mage.esp

  • Two of the installed mods: Perkus Maximus and Real Shelter have additional patchers (Perkus Maximus even has a different mod page for this) that you need to use to achieve the mod's functionality. I installed these patches immediately after downloading and installing the corresponding mods. However, I just watched the GamePoets Michael's video on Wrye Bash and Bashed Patches that stated (1:32) that these kind of patches should be installed AFTER the bashed patches have been made.
    It seems I am kind of borked in this area. I suppose I could just run the patch installers AGAIN and hope that the functionality will still be present.
  • Just in case, I am also including the Real Shelter: Frostfall Tents recommended load order (as stated in the mod description):

    RealShelter.esp
    RealShelterFF.esp (this file)
    [Any RealShelter Compatibility Patches]
    RSPatch.esp

So yeah. I included as much information as possible. If any of you have any suggestions about my situation or any helpful tips, I would be really thankful. I guess I could also use some help on my next daunting task: successfully making a bashed patch.

 

Thanks! :smile:

Dan B

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