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Enemy Aggression Issue


Shaadaris

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Here's a new one... I've seen a few posts about this before, but the causes have always been undetermined or not caused by a mod I have. (Also I'm not posting this in the modding section because it says to go there for issues with specific mods which... well, I don't know the cause of this, though I do assume a mod is responsible. If this is not kosher, feel free to move this thread elsewhere.)

 

I've noticed that when entering new cells, interior or exterior, sometimes (not always) the NPCs will spawn, walk around/do whatever for a few seconds, disappear, then reappear in their original starting positions. This would be fine if it didn't also cause any aggressive NPC to have their aggression value set to 0 upon the reappearance, making them basically walking punching-bags (or in my case stabbing-bags).

My Mod List is as follows:

 

 

+Wintermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim
+Winterhold Rebuild
+Immersive College of Winterhold
+Open Dragon Priest Masks - MF
+Skyrim Monster Mod Replacers - Lore Friendly and Others
+Monster Mod
+ReAnimate - Broken Animation Fix
+OneTweak
+Project Reality - Climates Of Tamriel-V3
+Enhanced Lights and FX
+Lightning during Thunder Storms
+No NPC Greetings
+Skyrim Performance PLUS
+Skyrim - Enhanced Camera
+360 Walk and Run Plus
+Supreme Storms
+Wet and Cold - Ashes
+Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim
+Enhanced Wetness and Puddles
+Footprints
+Guard Dialogue Overhaul
+Realistic Ragdolls and Force
+Alternate Start - Live Another Life
+The Paarthurnax Dilemma
+Better Vampires 6.6
+Proper Aiming
+Grass on Steroids - a grass mod that gives FPS BOOST and Dense Grass
+People are Strangers
+Run For Your Lives
+Unique Uniques
+Audio Overhaul for Skyrim 2
+No Spinning Death Animation
+Supreme and Volumetric Fog
+No More Blocky Faces
+Immersive Armors
+Warburgs 3D Paper World Map
+Improved Dragonrend Shout
+Frostfall - Hypothermia Camping Survival
+Dovahkiin Relaxes Too
+Wet and Cold
+Winter Is Coming - Cloaks
+Predator Vision - Vampire Werewolf and Khajiit
+Convenient Horses
+Pumping Iron - Dynamic Muscle Growth
+DYNAVISION - Dynamic Depth of Field
+Immersive Weapons
+Cloaks of Skyrim
+Thunderchild - Epic Shouts and Immersion
+Realistic Needs and Diseases
+Enemy AI OverHaul---Revenge Of the Enemies---No Scripts Version
+SkyUI
+The Dance of Death - A Killmove Mod
+Unofficial Dragonborn Patch
+Unofficial Hearthfire Patch
+Unofficial Dawnguard Patch
+Unofficial Skyrim Patch
+skse scripts

 

 

 

 

My Load Order is as follows:

 

 

Skyrim.esm
Update.esm
Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp
Dawnguard.esm
Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp
HearthFires.esm
Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp
Dragonborn.esm
Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp
ClimatesOfTamriel.esm
SkyMoMod.esm
Footprints.esp
ReAnimate.esp
The Dance of Death - Ultimate Edition.esp
Footprints - Ash.esp
ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp
ClimatesOfTamriel-Dungeons-Hazardous.esp
dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp
ClimatesOfTamriel-Nights-Level-4.esp
AnonymousPeople.esp
Rebirth Monster.esp
360WalkandRunPlus-RunBackwardSpeedAdjust.esp
DYNAVISION Dynamic Depth of Field.esp
WetandCold.esp
WetandCold - Ashes.esp
EnhancedLightsandFX.esp
ELFX - Dragonborn.esp
Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
calyps-dragonpriestmasks.esp
SkyUI.esp
ELFX - Exteriors.esp
CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp
ELFX - Dawnguard.esp
Better Vampires.esp
Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp
EnhancedWetnessandPuddles.esp
GrassOnSteroids_Short.esp
AOS.esp
Wintermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp
AOS2_WetandCold Patch.esp
CWIELnFXPatch.esp
Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp
Immersive Weapons.esp
AOS2_CoT3_1_patch.esp
ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp
Predator Vision.esp
Convenient Horses.esp
Proper Aiming.esp
ClimatesOfTamriel-Interiors-Warm.esp
Reduced Distance NPC Greetings.esp
PumpingIron.esp
SkyMoMod Lore-Friendly Purist.esp
RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp
RND_Dawnguard-Patch.esp
RND_USKP-Patch.esp
RND_Dragonborn-Patch.esp
Supreme Fog - CoT.esp
Supreme Storms - Cot Version.esp
Thunderchild - Epic Shout Package.esp
Improved Dragonrend Shout.esp
Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
Cloaks.esp
1nivWICCloaks.esp
CWIDawnDragonPatch.esp
1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp
Run For Your Lives.esp
QaxeWinterholdRebuild.esp
Chesko_Frostfall.esp
RND_HearthFires-Patch.esp
The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp
Apocalypse - More Apocalypse.esp
Unique Uniques.esp
dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp
mintylightningmod.esp
dovahkiinrelax.esp
Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
Warburg's 3D Paper World Map - Texture 1.esp
Warburg's 3D Paper World Map - Dragonborn.esp
warburg's 3d paper world map - dawnguard.esp

 

 

I used Mod Organizer for the profile and LOOT to set load order.

 

This is kind of a game-breaking bug so any help would be appreciated.

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People are strangers, No npc greetings, Run for your lives. You got these three which affect Npcs/ npcs behaviour.

I would suggest removing them first, and clean the game with savegame cleaner, wait couple hours ingame, clean again, then see if it is fixed. If it is not, start a new game and see if you got the issue without these mods. If you don`t then your save is beyond repair, and you have to start a new game.

If you still got these issues in the new game, then one of your mod creating the problem, disable them one by one to find out which one is doing it.

 

I strongly suggest if you using Mod Organizer create a copy of your current profile, you can mess that profile up, delete /add /test mods, you will still have your original profile to go back.

 

I hope this is helps mate.

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People are strangers, No npc greetings, Run for your lives. You got these three which affect Npcs/ npcs behaviour.

I would suggest removing them first, and clean the game with savegame cleaner, wait couple hours ingame, clean again, then see if it is fixed. If it is not, start a new game and see if you got the issue without these mods. If you don`t then your save is beyond repair, and you have to start a new game.

If you still got these issues in the new game, then one of your mod creating the problem, disable them one by one to find out which one is doing it.

 

I strongly suggest if you using Mod Organizer create a copy of your current profile, you can mess that profile up, delete /add /test mods, you will still have your original profile to go back.

 

I hope this is helps mate.

Well I can probably rule out all three that you mentioned because Strangers only runs once and NPC greetings only affects the distance already-friendly NPCs greet you at, and so the only one that might have to do at all with aggression is Run For Your Lives, and it only affects people in towns while my bug doesn't.

Not to mention I've had all three of these mods running together since I first installed Skyrim and this bug is only manifesting itself after 45 hours of gameplay.

 

I think I might know what's causing it though. If my solution doesn't work then I'll try yours.

That said, the profile tip is very helpful, thank you. I forgot I could do that, and was really worried I'd break my (asides from this bug) stable installation.

Thank you.

 

Either way I'll post my findings here for people in the future having this issue. Nothing peeves me more than when I'm having a bug, I find a post by someone else with the problem and they just go "oh nevermind I fixed it." HOOOOOW?

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Aha, it's as I thought, the culprit was ReAnimate. I guess when the script went over the npcs it disabled and re-enabled them in an attempt to fix an animation bug, but didn't realize that they weren't bugged and as a result... made them bugged?

I dunno, but when I removed ReAnimate it fixed the problem in my test saves.

 

Guess I'll just have to deal with the occasional T-Pose.

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