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Hi I just need some help figuring out my load order and possibly other things like missing patches, things with wrye bash or tes5edit or whatever. I had LOOT help me sort my plugins, identify mods that needed cleaning and other things. I have no problems with slow scripts and my game runs fairly decent on low settings. My mod list is fairly large, so I think that in itself causes some stability issues. My game still silently crashes every so often in random places where you wouldn't think it would crash. Inside a small, cozy building. During a relaxed conversation with an npc. And seemingly right as i press the esc. button to save my game, which is a bit annoying.

 

Here's my load order:

 

I'm too lazy to type in the actual names of the mods, so sorry if you're having trouble identifying some of them.

 

Honestly, I'll be surprised if there isn't something wrong with this

 

I know I'll need to rebuild the bashed patch after changing this load order

 

0 0 Skyrim.esm
1 1 Update.esm
2 2 Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp
3 3 Dawnguard.esm
4 4 Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp
5 5 HearthFires.esm
6 6 Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp
7 7 Dragonborn.esm
8 8 Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp
9 9 ClimatesOfTamriel.esm
10 a Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm
11 b ApachiiHair.esm
12 c ETaC - RESOURCES.esm
13 d loud waterfalls.esp
14 e SkyUI.esp
15 f Wintermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp
16 10 RaceMenu.esp
17 11 RaceMenuPlugin.esp
18 12 ETaC - Complete.esp
19 13 CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp
20 14 ETaC - Dragon Bridge South.esp
21 15 Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp
22 16 Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp
23 17 Rebirth Monster.esp
24 18 Immersive Orc Strongholds.esp
25 19 SoS - The Wilds.esp
26 1a SoS - Civilization.esp
27 1b SoS - Civilization-PatchCoT.esp
28 1c OBIS.esp
29 1d localizedguildjobs.esp
30 1e Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp
31 1f SoS - The Dungeons.esp
32 20 OBISDB.esp
33 21 towConversation.esp
34 22 TheEyesOfBeauty.esp
35 23 NirShor-MusicalLore.esp
36 24 Serana.esp
37 25 InvisibleGloves.esp
38 26 MoreSmithing.esp
39 27 Rebirth Monster - SIC Patch.esp
40 28 ETaC - Complete LoS Patch.esp
41 29 Immersive Whiterun.esp
42 2a icebreaker's dragon bite removal.esp
43 2b Immersive Weapons.esp
44 2c Unique Uniques.esp
45 2d Immersive Solstheim.esp
46 2e Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp
47 2f IceBreaker's Improved Reverb v0.025.esp
48 30 FCO - Follower Commentary Overhaul.esp
49 31 BetterQuestObjectives.esp
50 32 Destroy the Thieves Guild.esp
51 33 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
52 34 Extended UI.esp
53 35 exploreskyrim.esp
54 36 Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
55 37 Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp
56 38 DYNAVISION Dynamic Depth of Field.esp
57 39 AHZmoreHUD.esp
58 3a AMatterOfTime.esp
59 3b ClimatesOfTamriel-Dungeons-Hazardous.esp
60 3c ClimatesOfTamriel-Interiors-Warm.esp
61 3d ClimatesOfTamriel-Nights-Level-6.esp
62 3e BFT Ships and Carriages.esp
63 3f Cloaks.esp
64 40 Skyrim Shadow Striping Fix.esp
65 41 magerobesthen8mare.esp
66 42 JaxonzUtilities.esp
67 43 CWIDawnDragonPatch.esp
68 44 CWINPCImprovements.esp
69 45 DeadlyDragons.esp
70 46 ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp
71 47 SoS - The Wilds-PatchCoT.esp
72 48 ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp
73 49 Bijin Wives.esp
74 4a Crafting potion duration affected by alchemy.esp
75 4b Chesko_LoreBasedLoadingScreens.esp
76 4c ETaC - Complete BFT Patch.esp
77 4d ETaC - Whiterun Ext LoS Patch.esp
78 4e Apocalypse - The Spell Package (Workshop).esp
79 4f dD-No Spinning Death Animation Merged.esp
80 50 Apocalypse (Workshop) - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp
81 51 Serana No Hood.esp
82 52 Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
83 53 BetterQuestObjectives-AlternateStartPatch.esp
84 54 Bashed Patch, 0.esp
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Edit: Sorry! I posted the exact load order as the post above! This is the actual new load order that I have. (The serana no hood was deactivated prior to rebuilding the bashed patch. That's why it's indented like that) Update: After further study of Wrye Bash, I was able to come to some conclusions and edit my load order accordingly. I'm still unsure of where exactly I should have placed these mods. But at least all my active mods show up as green checkmarks in wrye bash as they actually did not all have green checks before.

 

Here's my new load order:

 

0 0 Skyrim.esm
1 1 Update.esm
2 2 Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp
3 3 Dawnguard.esm
4 4 Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp
5 5 HearthFires.esm
6 6 Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp
7 7 Dragonborn.esm
8 8 Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp
9 9 ClimatesOfTamriel.esm
10 a Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm
11 b ApachiiHair.esm
12 c ETaC - RESOURCES.esm
13 d loud waterfalls.esp
14 e SkyUI.esp
15 f Wintermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp
16 10 RaceMenu.esp
17 11 RaceMenuPlugin.esp
18 12 BFT Ships and Carriages.esp
19 13 ETaC - Complete.esp
20 14 ETaC - Complete BFT Patch.esp
21 15 CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp
22 16 ETaC - Dragon Bridge South.esp
23 17 Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp
24 18 Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp
25 19 Rebirth Monster.esp
26 1a Immersive Orc Strongholds.esp
27 1b SoS - The Wilds.esp
28 1c SoS - Civilization.esp
29 1d SoS - Civilization-PatchCoT.esp
30 1e OBIS.esp
31 1f localizedguildjobs.esp
32 20 Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp
33 21 SoS - The Dungeons.esp
34 22 OBISDB.esp
35 23 towConversation.esp
36 24 TheEyesOfBeauty.esp
37 25 NirShor-MusicalLore.esp
38 26 Serana.esp
39 27 InvisibleGloves.esp
40 28 MoreSmithing.esp
41 29 Rebirth Monster - SIC Patch.esp
42 2a ETaC - Complete LoS Patch.esp
43 2b Immersive Whiterun.esp
44 2c icebreaker's dragon bite removal.esp
45 2d Immersive Weapons.esp
46 2e Unique Uniques.esp
47 2f Immersive Solstheim.esp
48 30 Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp
49 31 IceBreaker's Improved Reverb v0.025.esp
50 32 FCO - Follower Commentary Overhaul.esp
51 33 BetterQuestObjectives.esp
52 34 Destroy the Thieves Guild.esp
53 35 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
54 36 Extended UI.esp
55 37 exploreskyrim.esp
56 38 Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
57 39 Apocalypse - The Spell Package (Workshop).esp
58 3a Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp
59 3b Apocalypse (Workshop) - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp
60 3c DYNAVISION Dynamic Depth of Field.esp
61 3d AHZmoreHUD.esp
62 3e AMatterOfTime.esp
63 3f ClimatesOfTamriel-Dungeons-Hazardous.esp
64 40 ClimatesOfTamriel-Interiors-Warm.esp
65 41 ClimatesOfTamriel-Nights-Level-6.esp
66 42 Cloaks.esp
67 43 Skyrim Shadow Striping Fix.esp
68 44 magerobesthen8mare.esp
69 45 JaxonzUtilities.esp
70 46 CWIDawnDragonPatch.esp
71 47 CWINPCImprovements.esp
72 48 DeadlyDragons.esp
73 49 ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp
74 4a SoS - The Wilds-PatchCoT.esp
75 4b ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp
76 4c Bijin Wives.esp
77 4d Crafting potion duration affected by alchemy.esp
78 4e Chesko_LoreBasedLoadingScreens.esp
79 4f ETaC - Whiterun Ext LoS Patch.esp
80 50 dD-No Spinning Death Animation Merged.esp
Serana No Hood.esp
81 51 Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
82 52 BetterQuestObjectives-AlternateStartPatch.esp
83 53 Bashed Patch, 0.esp
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Couple of things that might help.

 

- Do you have the memory patch SKSE ini installed? It forces SKSE to requisition more memory initally. It also uncaps Skyrim to 4 GB maximum, if you have the RAM for it. Both of those maximize stability.

 

- Do you have any major ini edits like changing uGridsToLoad? Some edits, while not necessarily horrible, can destabilize the game.

 

- Did you resort in Wrye Bash to fix the orange checkmarks? If you did, I would recommend sorting with LOOT again and then testing the mods to make sure they work correctly WITHOUT resorting in Wrye Bash. Especially with the ETaC patches, the load order it wants is actually bad, and Wrye Bash can't tell the difference. If you have no issues, use LOOT's load order and use "sort masters" in TES5Edit to fix the checkmarks.

 

- Are you running Skyrim with ENBoost and the fullscreen borderless mode for ENB? While more of a graphics hack, this can increase stability tremendously. You'll need to install ENBoost correctly and then set these lines in enblocal.ini:

 

ForceBorderless=true
ForceBorderlessFullscreen=true
Hope that helps! I have 230+ mods running at 40-50 FPS right now with few CTDs, so if you have any other questions for me feel free to PM.
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Couple of things that might help.

 

- Do you have the memory patch SKSE ini installed? It forces SKSE to requisition more memory initally. It also uncaps Skyrim to 4 GB maximum, if you have the RAM for it. Both of those maximize stability.

 

- Do you have any major ini edits like changing uGridsToLoad? Some edits, while not necessarily horrible, can destabilize the game.

 

- Did you resort in Wrye Bash to fix the orange checkmarks? If you did, I would recommend sorting with LOOT again and then testing the mods to make sure they work correctly WITHOUT resorting in Wrye Bash. Especially with the ETaC patches, the load order it wants is actually bad, and Wrye Bash can't tell the difference. If you have no issues, use LOOT's load order and use "sort masters" in TES5Edit to fix the checkmarks.

 

- Are you running Skyrim with ENBoost and the fullscreen borderless mode for ENB? While more of a graphics hack, this can increase stability tremendously. You'll need to install ENBoost correctly and then set these lines in enblocal.ini:

 

ForceBorderless=true
ForceBorderlessFullscreen=true
Hope that helps! I have 230+ mods running at 40-50 FPS right now with few CTDs, so if you have any other questions for me feel free to PM.

 

I did not initially have the SKSE.ini enabled in my SKSE folder. But I was able to easily find out how to enable it, so now I have the ini folder! Thanks for mentioning that. I did not know about it and should help me tremendously!

 

In my Skyrim.ini (NOT Skyrimprefs.ini) I have the following changes:

 

[Papyrus]
fUpdateBudgetMS=800
fExtraTaskletBudgetMS=800
fPostLoadUpdateTimeMS=2000
bEnableLogging=0
bEnableTrace=0
bLoadDebugInformation=0
iMinMemoryPageSize=256
iMaxMemoryPageSize=512
iMaxAllocatedMemoryBytes=2457600

[Display]

iLocation X=40
iLocation Y=-20
(This is so the game window is centered perfectly on my screen and not on the top left corner when playing in windowed mode.)
And at the end of Display section I have these changes:
fDefaultWorldFOV=80
fDefault1stPersonFOV=80.0000
AND in the Skyrimprefs.ini I have this change under General settings:
fdefaultfov=80
(I made these changes to permanantly change the field of view in my game to something more realistic without having to change it manually via the console all the time. The default fov is far too narrow and almost makes me naseous.)
I hope these changes are okay.

 

I'll see what I can do about fixing the orange checkmarks. I'm just unsure how everything will play out. I feel uncomfortable making all these changes.

 

As for ENBoost, I decided to download that as well but I am very unsure as what to do with VideomemorysizeMb settings in the ini file. The STEP wiki guide (Which really isn't easy for me to follow) gives me a formula to set it. Since I have only 4GB ram on my LAPTOP, I very carefully followed the formula Dedicated video memory plus system RAM - 2048. Except I got a negative value.... I have 128 + 4 - 2048. That can't possibly be right. How do I set VideoMemorysizeMb?

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Here's my new load order after resorting through LOOT and sorting masters through TES5Edit:

 

0 0 Skyrim.esm
1 1 Update.esm
2 2 Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp
3 3 Dawnguard.esm
4 4 Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp
5 5 HearthFires.esm
6 6 Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp
7 7 Dragonborn.esm
8 8 Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp
9 9 ClimatesOfTamriel.esm
10 a Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm
11 b ApachiiHair.esm
12 c ETaC - RESOURCES.esm
13 d loud waterfalls.esp
14 e SkyUI.esp
15 f Wintermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp
16 10 RaceMenu.esp
17 11 RaceMenuPlugin.esp
18 12 Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp
19 13 Rebirth Monster.esp
20 14 SoS - The Wilds.esp
21 15 SoS - Civilization.esp
22 16 SoS - Civilization-PatchCoT.esp
23 17 OBIS.esp
24 18 localizedguildjobs.esp
25 19 Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp
26 1a SoS - The Dungeons.esp
27 1b OBISDB.esp
28 1c towConversation.esp
29 1d TheEyesOfBeauty.esp
30 1e NirShor-MusicalLore.esp
31 1f Serana.esp
32 20 InvisibleGloves.esp
33 21 MoreSmithing.esp
34 22 Rebirth Monster - SIC Patch.esp
35 23 Unique Uniques.esp
36 24 Skyrim Shadow Striping Fix.esp
37 25 magerobesthen8mare.esp
38 26 JaxonzUtilities.esp
39 27 SoS - The Wilds-PatchCoT.esp
40 28 Serana No Hood.esp
41 29 Immersive Whiterun.esp
42 2a Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp
43 2b Immersive Orc Strongholds.esp
44 2c icebreaker's dragon bite removal.esp
45 2d Immersive Weapons.esp
46 2e Immersive Solstheim.esp
47 2f Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp
48 30 IceBreaker's Improved Reverb v0.025.esp
49 31 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
50 32 FCO - Follower Commentary Overhaul.esp
51 33 Extended UI.esp
52 34 exploreskyrim.esp
53 35 Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
54 36 ETaC - Whiterun Ext LoS Patch.esp
55 37 ETaC - Complete.esp
56 38 CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp
57 39 ETaC - Dragon Bridge South.esp
58 3a ETaC - Complete LoS Patch.esp
59 3b BetterQuestObjectives.esp
60 3c Destroy the Thieves Guild.esp
61 3d BFT Ships and Carriages.esp
62 3e Cloaks.esp
63 3f ETaC - Complete BFT Patch.esp
64 40 Apocalypse - The Spell Package (Workshop).esp
65 41 Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp
66 42 Apocalypse (Workshop) - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp
67 43 DYNAVISION Dynamic Depth of Field.esp
68 44 AHZmoreHUD.esp
69 45 AMatterOfTime.esp
70 46 ClimatesOfTamriel-Dungeons-Hazardous.esp
71 47 ClimatesOfTamriel-Interiors-Warm.esp
72 48 ClimatesOfTamriel-Nights-Level-6.esp
73 49 CWIDawnDragonPatch.esp
74 4a CWINPCImprovements.esp
75 4b DeadlyDragons.esp
76 4c ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp
77 4d ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp
78 4e Bijin Wives.esp
79 4f Crafting potion duration affected by alchemy.esp
80 50 Chesko_LoreBasedLoadingScreens.esp
81 51 dD-No Spinning Death Animation Merged.esp
82 52 Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
83 53 BetterQuestObjectives-AlternateStartPatch.esp
84 54 Bashed Patch, 0.esp
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If you're running much more stably, I wouldn't worry about those ini edits. The Papyrus changes may or may not cause some problems. You can decide yourself if it's worth looking it up.

 

For ENBoost, what it means is (and I know this is very unclear) system memory in MB, so it comes out to 128 + 4096 - 2048 = 2176.

 

In almost every case LOOT will end up with not just a working load order but the best order. If you end up with major glitches, trust Wrye Bash. Otherwise, going witH LOOT should be best.

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After more playing, I still get random crashes actually. My game immediately crashed once upon loading last save, and crashed randomly somewhere in the ratway tunnels. Vanilla Skyrim for sure would not crash in those places. I think I'm going to trust Wrye Bash on this one.

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