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Briarhearts and USKP weirdness...


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I've been having invisible torsos on my briarhearts for quite some time now. I finally disabled all my mods to attempt to figure out the problem. And while I've seen several people say that it's only an interaction between USKP and Cloaks of Skyrim, I don't have Cloaks of Skyrim.

The problem?

EVERY SINGLE unofficial patch!! Not just the Skyrim patch, but also the Hearthfire, Dawnguard, Dragonborn, AND even the high resolution patch causes the briarheart's torso to disappear.

In fact, just disabling them wasn't enough--I had to get a mod that gives the briarhearts a new skin, because even with no mods running, the torso was gray (similar to the way the gray-face bug looks, but the body instead of the head. The head was normal). I even extracted the texture from Skyrim itself, and it was gray (WTF).

I can't imagine running my game without the patches (hello, massive glitches), so how would I go about fixing this problem?

I'm just about to open up the patches in TES5edit and start deleting anything related to briarhearts...But I don't want to break the patches.

 

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Blame not USKP, but whatever else is interfering with the briarhearts. USKP fixes the gray body, and also does a fix that doesn't make any bloodstains on the body disappear by only causing the removal of the heart seed bit instead of the whole body swapping when you pull the heartseed. If you are unaware of another mod that alters the Briarhearts, then that would be the cause. TES5Edit would reveal the culprit as well. In any case where it looks like USKP is the culprit, it probably isn't, and for us on the UPP team to seriously consider USKP or its DLC expansions to be at fault, evidence needs to be presented (not "looks like it" but "verifiably is it").

 

And I do hope you weren't making any saves you intended to keep with the Patches removed...

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Well, I narrowed it down to only the skyrim patch.

And no, all testing was done on brand new games, I don't intend to keep any of them.

How could another mod be affecting the briarhearts when everything was disabled?? I even dug around in my data folder to make sure there wasn't any files related to briarhearts.

I finally just bit the bullet and opened the patch in TES5Edit and removed every briarheart reference. Now I can run the patch without the briarhearts being invisible.

The bloodstains disappearing is a small price to pay vs. the invisible torso bug.

I now have all my mods active again, and the briarhearts look great. So I don't think anything else was affecting them.

At this point, I'm going to leave a safe save, (back when I hadn't altered the patch), just in case deleting the references causes some massive damage or something.

I can always uninstall and reinstall I suppose if there is a problem.

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Personally, I might have tried verifying my game cache through Steam before making edits to USKP. I run all the Unofficial Patches, and the only time I had weirdness with briarhearts was when I had a male body mod installed. Also, be aware that disabling a mod doesn't always negate any changes it made. Mods which have no .esps, such as certain mesh and texture mods, are still active as well.

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Verifying the game cache was the first thing I tried.

Sorry if my first post sounded a little spastic. I'd been searching for the problem for 3 days straight, and I never thought it could be USKP. That just about made my brain explode. I didn't want to believe it either.

As far as mesh or texture mods, the only retextures I have are related to armor, architecture, or animals. Fairly certain none of those were interacting with briarhearts.

What I'm thinking is there is some undocumented interaction, sort of like how Cloaks of Skyrim (which I don't have) clashes with USKP.

 

Here's my load order. Please note I only got the briarheart retextures AFTER the problems started as a fix.

0 0 Skyrim.esm

1 1 Update.esm

2 2 Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp

3 3 Dawnguard.esm

4 4 Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp

5 5 HearthFires.esm

6 6 Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp

7 7 Dragonborn.esm

8 8 Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp

9 9 Falskaar.esm

10 a Wyrmstooth.esp

11 b LB_MuchAdoSnowElves.esm

12 c Gray Fox Cowl.esm

13 d UnlimitedBookshelves.esp

14 e Real Feeding V3.esp

15 f RealisticNightsDB.esp

16 10 SeranaLearnsSoulCairnSpells.esp

17 11 DovahBlingJewelrySignetRings.esp

18 12 mjhSkyforgeWolfArmor.esp

19 13 RealisticNightsDG.esp

20 14 RealShelter.esp

21 15 StormcloakMageArmor.esp

22 16 GDRangerDress.esp

23 17 Craftable Khajiit Earrings Gold and Silver.esp

24 18 Castle Volkihar Rebuilt.esp

25 19 Bathing in Skyrim - Main.esp

26 1a DovahBlingJewelryStandalone.esp

27 1b Appropriately Attired Jarls Redux.esp

28 1c Werewolf Bleedout Fix.esp

29 1d Improved Arvak (no spell change).esp

30 1e armoured arvak.esp

31 1f dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp

32 20 GamEngagementrings.esp

33 21 DeadlyAimRanks.esp

34 22 DovahBlingBraceletsScr.esp

35 23 StormWrathLightning.esp

36 24 Convenient Horses.esp

37 25 shadowmere.esp

38 26 UIExtensions.esp

39 27 SkyUI.esp

40 28 Enchanting Pagan Table.esp

41 29 ExpandedJewelryCrafting.esp

42 2a LFox Blacksmiths Have Metals.esp

43 2b AllHair.esp

44 2c SkaalKidAetaCoat.esp

45 2d Haunting & Mourning.esp

46 2e HousecarlsAreTanks.esp

47 2f dD-Larger Splatter Size.esp

48 30 RealisticNights.esp

49 31 Keep Spell Tomes.esp

50 32 Shout Like a Dragon - DG & DB.esp

51 33 Ezuka's Wedding Rings.esp

52 34 MorePP.esp

53 35 ToL_Core_by_Brevi.esp

54 36 JiubQuestMarkers.esp

55 37 Predator Vision.esp

56 38 HousecarlsAreTanks-HF.esp

57 39 Really Radiant Raiment.esp

58 3a RevengeOfIronDaggersAndLeatherBracersv5.esp

59 3b Khajiit Claws - 15dmg.esp

60 3c Slap.esp

61 3d StormcloakMageArmorRetex.esp

62 3e CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp

63 3f RSPatch.esp

64 40 Brawl Bugs CE.esp

65 41 CMWoodenBows.esp

66 42 LegacyoftheDragonborn.esp

67 43 3DNPC.esp

68 44 HearthfireMultiKid.esp

69 45 HearthfireMultiKid_LastName.esp

70 46 ethereal_elven_overhaul.esp

71 47 EntireEyes.esp

72 48 Ezuka's First Person Ring Fix.esp

73 49 SovngardeNordHeroes.esp

74 4a DovahBlingJewelryUniques.esp

75 4b Complete Alchemy & Cooking Overhaul.esp

76 4c CritterProduce.esp

77 4d MoreSalt.esp

78 4e Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp

79 4f Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp

80 50 Civil War Aftermath.esp

81 51 Helgen Reborn.esp

82 52 RavenRockExpanded.esp

83 53 LearnAlchemyFromRecipes.esp

84 54 SkyHavenTempleEnhanced.esp

85 55 ESFCompanions.esp

86 56 One With Nature - DG+DB.esp

87 57 WitchhunterPackRelease1.0.esp

88 58 Deer_And_Elk_Detection.esp

89 59 Civil War Overhaul.esp

90 5a ArmyReforms.esp

91 5b OpenFaceGuardHelmets.esp

92 5c Solstheim - The Lost Levels.esp

93 5d sam aldous.esp

94 5e Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp

95 5f AnnaNPCs.esp

96 60 HigherSilverDamage_Vanilla.esp

97 61 dD-DG-DB-Immersive Creatures EBT Patch.esp

98 62 FCO - Follower Commentary Overhaul.esp

99 63 marriagemod - alpha v3.esp

100 64 fmstables.esp

101 65 ArcheryDummyXP.esp

102 66 eelRing.esp

103 67 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

104 68 EMCompViljaSkyrim.esp

105 69 ASKETMODSFiFaI0.2.31.1fv.esp

106 6a EMViljaInSolstheimAddOn.esp

107 6b GerheardtRoriksteadEN.esp

108 6c SUM_DruidConjuration.esp

109 6d Better Claws And Gauntlets - Immersive Armors.esp

110 6e Inigo.esp

111 6f SeranaDialogEdit.esp

112 70 AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp

113 71 NothingSellsForZero.esp

114 72 Swift Steeds Frost.esp

115 73 Immersive Weapons.esp

116 74 Elemental Destruction.esp

117 75 LinearSmithing.esp

118 76 Better Mage.esp

119 77 Lore Weapon Expansion.esp

120 78 MarkRecall.esp

121 79 MorrowindImports.esp

122 7a Inconsequential NPCs.esp

123 7b Armored Circlets.esp

124 7c SkyrimsUniqueTreasures.esp

125 7d Point The Way.esp

126 7e InteractiveWashBasinsCOMPLETE.esp

127 7f Bathing in Skyrim - Interactive Wash Basins.esp

128 80 My_Little_kitty_non_replaced.esp

129 81 ANSKA ENHANCED.esp

130 82 Better Claws And Gauntlets.esp

131 83 Better Claws And Gauntlets - Dragonborn.esp

132 84 Better Claws And Gauntlets - Dawnguard.esp

133 85 Blacksmiths Sell Firewood.esp

134 86 Dr_Bandolier.esp

135 87 Unique Uniques.esp

136 88 UsefulDogs.esp

137 89 Vampire Lord Serana Fixed.esp

138 8a Vampirism Inverter.esp

139 8b ImmersiveStables.esp

140 8c HSxHorseStablingImmersiveStables.esp

141 8d Various Hunter.esp

142 8e LB_MuchAdoSnowElves_Quest.esp

143 8f Townoverhaul.esp

144 90 HSxHorseStablingCities+HF.esp

145 91 DBM_IWIA_Patch.esp

146 92 Bring Out Your Dead.esp

147 93 OvensAndChurnsPlayerHouses.esp

148 94 DBM_IW_Patch.esp

149 95 konahrik_accoutrements.esp

150 96 ArcheryDummyXP - Unofficial DLC Addon.esp

151 97 Dragonborn - Dorethi.esp

152 98 LadyKdCirclets.esp

153 99 DragonFastTravelRedone.esp

154 9a OvensAndChurnsMain.esp

155 9b Aurlyn.esp

156 9c Lakeview Lost Gardens.esp

157 9d PatronGodsOfSkyrim.esp

158 9e BR_HoodCirclets.esp

159 9f DA_Skyship.esp

160 a0 DBM_DASkyship_Addon.esp

161 a1 ForgottenCity.esp

162 a2 Chesko_Frostfall.esp

163 a3 Torcs.esp

164 a4 Acquisitive Soul Gems.esp

165 a5 RUSTIC SOULGEMS - Sorted.esp

166 a6 WondersofWeather.esp

167 a7 ArgonianFins.esp

168 a8 Argonian Skill Bonuses Improved.esp

169 a9 Auto Unequip Ammo.esp

170 aa CACO_USKP_Patch.esp

171 ab CACO_Bathing in Skyrim.esp

172 ac BowsElementalFury.esp

173 ad forswornpaint.esp

174 ae mintylightningmod.esp

175 af TrueStorms.esp

176 b0 RealShelterFF.esp

177 b1 Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp

178 b2 SVPaleVampires.esp

179 b3 Yield 2.0.esp

180 b4 forsworngear.esp

181 b5 HothFollower.esp

182 b6 SofiaFollower.esp

183 b7 CarryOnSkyrimBenAsFollowerV2.2.esp

184 b8 Oysters of Skyrim.esp

185 b9 The Pit.esp

186 ba GreaterSaarthal.esp

187 bb SkyrimGuardians.esp

188 bc Civil War Followers.esp

189 bd BelrandHaircut.esp

190 be OvensAndChurnsMinorInns.esp

191 bf DJZ Cooking Pots.esp

192 c0 LPBards.esp

193 c1 LPBardsAnduniel.esp

194 c2 CWIDawnDragonPatch.esp

195 c3 NavMeshFix - Markarth.esp

196 c4 Draugnarok.esp

197 c5 Hunterborn.esp

198 c6 bound-hunting-knife.esp

199 c7 Bathing in Skyrim - Hunterborn.esp

200 c8 Hunterborn_Frostfall-Patch.esp

201 c9 Derkeethus Improved - Default Look.esp

202 ca CACO_Hunterborn_Patch.esp

203 cb CACO_Wyrmstooth_Patch.esp

204 cc CACO_GrayCowl_Patch.esp

205 cd NoSameSex ENG.esp

206 ce OrcHearthfire.esp

207 cf CityShrines.esp

208 d0 HoldBorderBanners.esp

209 d1 DBM_IA_Patch.esp

210 d2 ESFAela.esp

211 d3 Earrings Set1.esp

212 d4 ArtOfTheCatch.esp

213 d5 konahrik_accoutrements_db.esp

214 d6 KK_Lola_companion_wolfdog.esp

215 d7 Colored_Dragonscale_v1.esp

216 d8 KhajiitChildren.esp

217 d9 PahmarFollowers.esp

218 da Gildergreen Regrown.esp

219 db Wolf Master.esp

220 dc KORsHuntingGround.esp

221 dd HatchlingChasesStarlight.esp

222 de ImpRogue.esp

223 df My Home Is Your Home.esp

224 e0 DDD-Passtime.esp

225 e1 GypsyEyesCaravan.V.3.esp

226 e2 UniqueRadiantAndPartyClothes.esp

227 e3 Convenient Horse Herding.esp

228 e4 RafForswornCustomArmorSet.esp

229 e5 RafBriarheartArmorCustomReplacer.esp

230 e6 Nature Spell Pack.esp

231 e7 Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp

232 e8 Automatic Variants.esp

 

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