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Okay, I think many people, including Bethesda didnt get the bottom line here. You are not siding with the Minutemen, you ARE the Minutemen. As soon as you accept to be General, you are the Minutemen leader. It is your faction. Alongside with all the building options and stuff, this is like the best ever idea that could happen in game like Fallout or TES (please make it happen next TES!!!). No more lonely hero wondering around being everyone’s prostitute... The idea that you could be ruler and actually build your own faction, your own legacy is something that many people including me are expecting now from games since we are already bored of the usual same o' questing RPG stuff... So I was really excited to see this coming just to find out that its half cooked. It is not finished at all and it seems that both players and Bethesda are confused what is Minutemen to the player (once he becomes General).

 

 

 

 

I was hoping that Minutemen is platform for us to finally have the option to dominate the world with our own faction. But there are many fails alongside the storyline, which kind of undermines the whole thing.

 

 

Preston makes you general (maybe a bit early in the game in a vague way so some people may not really realize they are in charge now), but It seems that many NPCs also do not realize you are in charge (like when they are questioning your orders).

 

The game and reaction of NPC do not reflect at all that you are leader of faction. They still treat you as ether that there is no Minutemen or that you are not the leader.

 

I think there is one ending missing, something along the lines: "Minutemen wiped out everything, established settlements everywhere, took over Diamond city and created new state in Commonwealth - Congratulation, you are the most badass state on the Eastcoast."

 

 

 

After the whole thing is over, there should be mechanism, that would let player dominate the whole commonwealth as Minutemen. Maybe more possibilities to shape Minutemen and have some stretch goals about dominating the whole place and I am not just talking about creating settlements that no one really cares about once you create strong defense. (If I take the time to build all those turrets and guards it would be nice if some Raiders would show up from time to time to stretch my defense system, and I am not talking about one molerat here...).

 

 

 

 

I mean spice it a bit. Storyline is very short, so it would be nice to have some simple but meaningful mechanism that really makes you feel that you are ruling over the place with faction that you lead and develop. 

 

Did you expect to rule the Commonewealth with your own faction? Would you like that?


Edited by jakubtyl, 01 December 2015 - 10:39 AM.


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Hell Yeah !



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But the MM goal is to help and untie people, not rule the CW and wipe it clean. That not what the MM for, is not what they are and nothing like the older ones of the American Revolutionary War which they aim to be like. 

 

 

Minutemen were private colonists who independently organized to form well-prepared militia companies self-trained in weaponry, tactics and military strategies from the American colonial partisan militia during the American Revolutionary War. They were also known for being ready in a minute's notice. They provided a highly mobile, rapidly deployed force that allowed the colonies to respond immediately to war threats, hence the name.

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And the PC is the leader because P.G is the pretty much only MM left and he made clear that you have mad skillz. Being leader else doesn't mean other MM will obey you like slaves without asking and offering alt options. 

 

The people don't react to the MM because they were wiped out and pretty much never heard of again.


Edited by Boombro, 01 December 2015 - 05:52 PM.


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But the MM goal is to help and untie people, not rule the CW and wipe it clean. ...

 

Yet, if Preston sends me to a Settlement I can just kill all the people living there and use the workbench to take it over for myself.

 

"We'll take back the Commonwealth, one piece at a time."
We certainly will, Preston...We certainly will.


Edited by TantrikaX, 02 December 2015 - 06:37 PM.


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Because no one is alive, so there is no point in having to do a quest to make use of the workbench anymore. It like killing an npc, his items are not marked as stolen anymore.



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You are still a prostitute, Prestons personall slave. What general in history takes orders like that and fights every battle alone? Standing next to your soldiers in battle is one thing, having them ordering you around is just stupid.

Nothing wrong with that at the start to show the commonwealth they can count on you, but at some point once the numbers of the minutemen grow, you should be able to at least make the choice of going on your own or send some minutemen to deal with threats to settlements.

I mean the whole point of the minutemen is to protect each other, not one person protecting everyone. I'm ignoring them completely on my 2nd playthrough and will just devellop the settlements without them for myself and pretend to be the no 1 warlord in the common wealth with all those resources. I still have to protect them but.at least i wont be ordered to.by subordinates.

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You are still a prostitute, Prestons personall slave. What general in history takes orders like that and fights every battle alone? Standing next to your soldiers in battle is one thing, having them ordering you around is just stupid.

Nothing wrong with that at the start to show the commonwealth they can count on you, but at some point once the numbers of the minutemen grow, you should be able to at least make the choice of going on your own or send some minutemen to deal with threats to settlements.

I mean the whole point of the minutemen is to protect each other, not one person protecting everyone. I'm ignoring them completely on my 2nd playthrough and will just devellop the settlements without them for myself and pretend to be the no 1 warlord in the common wealth with all those resources. I still have to protect them but.at least i wont be ordered to.by subordinates.

This! Exactly this!

 

The PC is NOT the General, Preston Garvey is. When he is recognized, they give HIM money, not you, that made all the work. There's an Impersonator for Garvey, not for YOU. You are NOT the Minutemen, you are hardly even recognized as one. Your sole purpose is to do the work, so the MM get the fame.

 

The OP asked: "Did you expect to rule the Commonewealth with your own faction? Would you like that?" I say YES! Yes please. But, this is NOT it.



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Well, you know, one problem with trying to be the secret power behind the throne is in the "secret" part. You can be replaced without many people even noticing.

 

Basically regardless of whether or not Preston sees himself as the one who tells you what to do, it's you, not him that keeps them together. When Ronnie Shaw showed up, she asked to talk to YOU, not to Preston.

 

What I'm saying is that realistically Preston would be trivial to marginalize, or due to his stubborn insistence to never give up, it would even realistically be possible to send him to some doomed mission from which he never returns. So basically, meh, who cares, you're just a little subterfuge away from being the lone ruler and Preston having been buried with shiny medals on his coffin. And as far as anyone is concerned, nothing changed.

 

And it's not just realistic, but historically it's actually happened before. Repeatedly. People who were supposed to be a figurehead that's easy to control, ended up anywhere between retiring their supposed controllers and executing them. Because, again, the "secret" part of being the ones who secretly pull the strings is the whole problem. The people know the figurehead, not the ones in the shadows.  If the figurehead executes a few more "traitors" than he was supposed to, nobody else knows that he wasn't supposed to do that.

 

Granted, that's not in the game, but then neither is your doing much ruling after the endgame, so we're in the domain of fanfic fantasies anyway. It's a more realistically achievable short term goal than, say, becoming the elder of the BOS or turning the whole institute around to be nice people. Not saying that's impossible either, but



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And the PC is the leader because P.G is the pretty much only MM left and he made clear that you have mad skillz. Being leader else doesn't mean other MM will obey you like slaves without asking and offering alt options. 

 

The people don't react to the MM because they were wiped out and pretty much never heard of again.

 

Spoiler time.

 

 

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